[X] No, you will not limit yourself thus (Lose Mentor; you are refunded 5 Freebie points; ???)
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Neat omake formatting, dude. I've never seen one structured quite like it. The urge to vote is strong.
Also, that vote with my name on it totally seems like something I would write if only I was familiar with Exalted.
[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
Molly doesn't really have any reason to deny this, given her upbringing and certain knowledge that this is a polite request from her own God.
She's never had a reason to be suspicious of God or his servants so there's no real reason yet.
Maybe later on when Molly's power has grown considerably and she operates on a larger scale but not now.
Molly doesn't really have any reason to deny this, given her upbringing and certain knowledge that this is a polite request from her own God.
She's never had a reason to be suspicious of God or his servants so there's no real reason yet.
Maybe later on when Molly's power has grown considerably and she operates on a larger scale but not now.
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[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
Let's not look into the nature of the benevolent outer Gods that can shred parts of the universe with their thoughts, that are to large to fit inside reality without shattering it and that are older than time itself that are the Archangels, nevermind God himself.
Our mind would break like an eg tossed from the Everest
Let's not look into the nature of the benevolent outer Gods that can shred parts of the universe with their thoughts, that are to large to fit inside reality without shattering it and that are older than time itself that are the Archangels, nevermind God himself.
Our mind would break like an eg tossed from the Everest
I said this before but it bears repeating, your Exaltation will not reveal something that harms you just from knowing, no mind-shattering truths. If is has a choice between compromising some of the data by translating and compromising the integrity of your mind it will always choose the former.
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Oh, didn't see it, i posted right after reading the chapter.
Hmm, still not a good idea. There is really no reason to make heaven our enemy and not our ally, they are an excedingly benevolent force and when they ask us to not do something, they tend to have their reasons
The other bits are genuinely pretty great feats but this is also applies to a lot of Raksha in Exalted.
And those aren't universally that scary, especially to Solaroids.
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Though in Exalted, Time as a fully ordered, linear thing, may not go back further than 10000 years or so.
In any case im not sure what to vote, but lean towards accepting. For once, refusing feels out of character for molly, second, unless this is truly extreme AU, heaven are genuinely forces of good, if somewhat distant at times, so we shouldnt oppose them, and third, messing with archangels is something a millenia old E10 exalt can think about doing, as we are now, we get crushed with barely a blip.
In any case im not sure what to vote, but lean towards accepting. For once, refusing feels out of character for molly, second, unless this is truly extreme AU, heaven are genuinely forces of good, if somewhat distant at times, so we shouldnt oppose them, and third, messing with archangels is something a millenia old E10 exalt can think about doing, as we are now, we get crushed with barely a blip.
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[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
The problem is in Dresden Files, killing or crippling an entity is FAR easier than taking over the job they are doing every second of the day.
The question is less "can I beat them" and more "are they load bearing?"
[X] Yes, Michael takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
If Uriel thought it was important enough to be personal and overt for I doubt he'll give up. He'll just start trying to manipulate us into not asking questions he doesn't want answered, and to contain any information we do acquire.
Uriel is really good at that sort of thing so I'd rather take the carrot than the stick.
Though I do find it somewhat annoying we had to spend freebies to get a mentor background and then also take conditions on it after the fact. It would have been nice to know that we'd need to essentially take an extra flaw to actually use the mentor we wanted.
If Uriel thought it was important enough to be personal and overt for I doubt he'll give up. He'll just start trying to manipulate us into not asking questions he doesn't want answered, and to contain any information we do acquire.
Uriel is really good at that sort of thing so I'd rather take the carrot than the stick.
Though I do find it somewhat annoying we had to spend freebies to get a mentor background and then also take conditions on it after the fact. It would have been nice to know that we'd need to essentially take an extra flaw to actually use the mentor we wanted.
I mean that is a problem in Exalted as well if you think about it. Just look at how worse off Creation was after the Primordials were defeated and then how it got even worse* once the Solars were sealed away. But then destroying has always been easier then creating (or at least maintaining).
*Sure the Cauldronists might have destroyed Creation but they also might have made it better. Hard to really say. The post-usurpation Creation meanwhile was definitely worse off then during the First Age.
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To be fair,usually that backround at 5 points is something like an ancient vampire.
Of course he'll ask some things of you in exchange for continued support.
There is also the fact that the Exalted could theoretically kill every Primordial...who would all become Neverborn.
And some of the potential Neverborn are pretty damned bad. And thats not evem asking what would even happen if you did that to Gaia (or Elemental Dragons) for some reason.
So yeah, makes sense.
They are not angels, they are not of Heaven anymore and they are not part of the mind of God. Molly thinks not and she has not gotten any signs to the contrary though they are probably one of those subjects you should be careful about to the best of your abilities.
Angels being part of the mind of God really brings those Primordial - subsoul connections I feel.
Which means Falling is even more of a horrific thing than "just" falling from Heaven, but being carved out and cut off from a soul hierarchy.
Not confirmed of course, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Which means Falling is even more of a horrific thing than "just" falling from Heaven, but being carved out and cut off from a soul hierarchy.
Not confirmed of course, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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I don't know about the Solaroids but the information that the archangels are older than time itself comes with a whole host of uncomfirmed implication, namely that they predate creations multiverse itself and Hence, have to come from the outside themselves, possibly being the ones who together with God made creation in the first place.
It would explain why they are so absurdly more powerfull than anything met so Far in creation, safe other angelic entities like hell and outsiders. (Walkers being archangel levels of they were to be met on the outside).
For impressive feats, we know that the archangels can destroy Galaxies by just thinking about it, that they have the power to create everything with soul fire and that they are quasi omniscient with intellectus over creation.
Implications, at least to me, is that the destroying Galaxies with thoughts is the very low end of what angels can do if they were ever left of their chains and free to run wild, Hence why by Woj any war between heaven and hell would be phyrric in nature since it would destroy so much of creation that even God/lucifer couldn't fix things.
Mind you, most of that is Just my theor from what little we know
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Yeah, but my understanding was that part of spending the points was coming up with a reason they're that invested; which gives you an idea of what to expect they'll ask of you.
We took five dots in being a daddy's girl on the presumption that Molly would be getting his time because he's her father and Micheal would want to put extra effort into raising his hell princess daughter. Or that was my impression of the situation at least.
It's not unreasonable that there'd be restrictions, but this one wasn't really on the label so to speak.
Worse, we're paying Heaven's spymaster for the privilege of having one of his guys around keeping an eye on and influencing Molly. Which is something Micheal would be doing anyway and that Uriel gets something out of.
I still think it's worth it, I'm just annoyed by the sudden up charge on something I'd thought we already bought.
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Its clear from the fallen that whatever a "fall" is is something horrifically devastating, not just switching alignment and losing your allies. Comparing fallen to normal angels seems closer to comparing neverborn to primordials. A fundamental, horrific change that loses the core of what they are and makes them over into something new but lesser and fundamentally WRONG.
There was no IC way I could have put that on the label. I felt it would have been more damaging to tell you back in Arctis Tor 'oh and by the way the Archangel Uriel will ask you not to look at Heaven'. Knowing he was going to ask something of you would have changed you looked at the situation with the White Council in an entirely OOC way. 'Let's just wait for dad with news from Uriel' would have been a reasonable vote OOC while warping the story because it's not like Molly can read her character sheet.
Yeah that part makes sense.
What my post was about that its not that rare a thing in Exalted. Raksha are usually from before Time by virtue that linear time is a construct of the Primordials they forced everything to conform to, and the Deep Chaos is pretty...chaotic even so.
There ARE those that are made or spawned after time, but not all. The Unshaped are also closer to that timeless state I guess.
Before that, linearity and time were just not a thing, and the Raksha did as they wanted for all time and no time.
And Oramus (and thus his soul hierarchy) is also...weird. And so is the Beyond (and maybe Nowhere too).
Edit: Primordials are the go to for impressive feats like taking the skeleton of an unborn could be Universe and making/breaking it to be his (Theion's) crown, Cecelyne being Infinity and Infinite, Oramus maybe predating Cytherea who should be the beginning etc.
And Exalted can kill these beings who cannot even die, and do these things.
We are just very weak comparatively, and White God (if he is a Titan) seems to be one of thr stronger ones.
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