I don't get the connection as to why it means that?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
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Since someone mentioned Oramus, it's too bad we don't have Charms for the Paradox Dragon.
Was he a reason for your name @DragonParadox?
Was he a reason for your name @DragonParadox?
FriedIce
The Authentic Fake
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[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
I'm reassured by the fact we're working with the spirit of the law, not the word, so we won't be punished for accidentally breaking it as long as we didn't mean to.
We also shouldn't be surprised that Uriel knows - we literally used the Crown in a church. Besides, of the factions to make this promise to heaven is one of the few unambiguously good factions in the setting.
I'm reassured by the fact we're working with the spirit of the law, not the word, so we won't be punished for accidentally breaking it as long as we didn't mean to.
We also shouldn't be surprised that Uriel knows - we literally used the Crown in a church. Besides, of the factions to make this promise to heaven is one of the few unambiguously good factions in the setting.
Nah, I barely knew what Exalted was back then. I was thinking of ye old D&D time dragons.
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Can we look at a black coin and ask how to unfall a fallen angel?
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Huh? No, the nevernever is contained within creation, not the other way around.
The whole nevernever in size just reaches from earth to the moon, by woj.
Course the Big thing is that through the Nevernever you can find paralleluniverses
[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
That's fair enough; I think some specific warnings that mentors have additional costs would have been nice, but it's not that big a deal in this case.
The nevernever and the wyld are too different in the details for that to make sense to me. Even as alien as it is, the nevernever is still too orderly and connected to the functions of reality to match the roiling chaos of the wyld.
It's not impossible, but it would require someone conquering and reformatting a place where time is an invasive species and most physical laws are at best optional.
Molly thinks so, she cannot think of any reason why God would disapprove, but since she does not have a Coin on her she can't test it.
Goldfish
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Between every supernatural realm in DF existing somewhere in the Nevernever rather than on a separate plane, and confirmation that God/Angels have existed since before Time was a concept, whereas it appears Creation had a definite start date within a pre-existing medium, I'm going to continue operating under the assumption that Creation was just another place in the Nevernever.
It might have been unusually large for a Nevernever realm and home to unusually powerful beings, and it sounds like it was so far out on the fringes of existence that conditions on the periphery of Creation were extremely chaotic, but nothing I've heard so far makes more sense to me.
Keep in mind, this is coming from someone completely unfamiliar with Exalted. I'm trying to reconcile two very different settings in my head. From my POV, this fits what we know with a minimum of mental gymnastics, whereas what some of y'all are speculating adds additional layers of complication and creates exceptions to rules for the sake of making Creation extra special.
That is a fair point. I was kind of worried the thread would speculate to a price a lot more onerous than it was though. Generally I think questers have an aversion to unknown costs as much as a love of mystery box rewards.
Goldfish
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You know us so well, DP.
Mystery boxes are evil, but oh so tempting...
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[X] Yes, Micheal takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
Well, some things. Creation is not the Exalted setting. Creation is a specific place in the Wyld. The Wyld is an absolute chaos more like the Warp if it didnt even lean slightly into any logic than the Nevernever.
Its inhabited by Raksha, also known as Fae who can play the role and identity of things, as they are living stories and Wyld Essence. Thats not a normal thing for the Nevernever. And these Fae spawn naturally from the Wyld. If the Wyld and the Nevernever are one, cosmic scale changes have happened.
The scale of the Wyld is ...unclear or infinite. There is no "space". Distance is measured in Waypoints which are more like "scenes" as in a movie or book. There is zero correspondence. Also, if Raksha are too Creation bound they calcify and die. And they eat dreams, which makes people dream-eaten hollow husks. Raksha don't have souls.
The Primordials are also born from the Wyld, but they were ...fine-ish in the Chaos. There were even different tribes of them, like Mardukth being the leader until Theion came and dunked him.
Cytherea was the "first" as the Divine Ignition, iirc. But there is Oramus who's Mythos is stuff like paradox, madness, boundaries, the Beyond (which is another thing entirely...), and is implied to have been before the "first".
The Primordials universally mandated Time, not just on Creation.
Before Creation there even was a different...universe? Realm? That they abandoned and left called Zen-Mu.
Autochton also later fucked off into Nowhere, which is another can of stuff and isn't Creation, behind the Seal of Eight Divinities which is ...absolute from one side.
The Yozi also lived in the mutilated turned inside out guts of Malfeas who was Theion.
The setting =/= Creation, basically.
If they are connected to Earth its not by being in the same universe in different places.
Edit: Also, the Three Spheres Cataclysm.
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That's not exactly accurate creation wise. The wyld existed yes, but it was timeless and acausal. The primordials invented time wholesale as a weapon and a tool.
My understanding is that everything prior to that ran purely on narrative style physics. As in you could watch someone spring into existence who requires you to have never existed to form, or as having been there all along even though they didn't used to be from some perspectives.
This is why so many Rakasha hate creation; they view it has a horrific reality spanning mutilation of everything anyone is or could be.
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That. Is interesting. Doubly so because OOC we know he needed to ask. No messing with free will.
I wonder what they had to give up to send this message?
[X] Yes, Michael takes up his task of mentoring you among his other formal duties with the knights
Well, given that it led to the creation of the Neverborn and the Void, thats quite prescient tbh.
If Creation is destroyed I'd give it 50-50 if the Wyld washes it all away or the Void sucks in everything or spills out.
Also Autochton's big brain that led to Exalted.
Remember - when Exalted host finally triumphed over Primordials, chained them and broken them to become Yozi, the highest essence rating anyone had was 5. Interacting, bargaining, fighting the creator over-deity level beings is something exalted are designed to do from get go. Of course, these were not individual exalts but the whole host, but still.
And indeed, this is an interesting development. Given that we are outside of Fate, we might well break whatever plans White God has. Uriel needing to ask... This implies a lot of stuff. Primarily that Perfects are still perfect and that White God doesn't have Perfect anti-scrying. Or that Primacy of Defense has been broken, which would be bad.
There is a bit of a problem IIRC in that Creation was made to draw in and eat other worlds in the Wyld.
Although it's a hazy memory so I might be misremembering that.
True, Dreams of the First Age was the book, I think.
Well Michael is is going to have to spend some time being your mentor on the clock if you take it, time that he a Knight of the Cross is not using to do anything else to directly counter the Adversary. Of course you could more than compensate what with being a nuclear powered demigod, but you know that's on Molly, she has free will.
Actually, this is a pretty important bit I forgot.
In ExWoD are Infernals still Outside Fate?
it was a specific term and thing in Exalted and every Infernal is one naturally by virtue of being...Infernal and running on Mythos stuff instead.
Not a question of power but of nature.