That requires knowing her intimacies first.
And vice versa. No Six Magical Words here, every attempt on us gives us a shot right back
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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And vice versa. No Six Magical Words here, every attempt on us gives us a shot right back
As is pointed out multiple times in canon, the fallen have been doing this since before we figured out sharp rocks and fire. They're inhumanly intelligent, ancient, and very experienced with the human mind.
Lash already knows a lot about us through Harry, likely including the current soul gaze data. Even without that she doesn't need much to get started.
We might be captaining the USS Hellfire, but we haven't even figured out where the intercom button is yet, let alone gotten all the comms and Ewar stuff running. The idea that our shots would be anything like hers not even a day past Molly's second breath is silly.
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Joke's on her we can just use this to fuel freedom lets go without much consequence
[X] Hear her out, it's not like she can make you do anything
[X] Nope, nope, nope, not listening to Fallen Angels, especially when they sound reasonable
Bad idea you don't talk to evil, especial evil smarter then you.
Bad idea you don't talk to evil, especial evil smarter then you.
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So what is the goal of the black denarians aside from having people pick the coins up
As far as Molly understands it:
- Maximize human suffering
- Oppose the will of God
- Bring about the end of the world
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I wouldn't go that far, since we're probably going to have to deal with smart and evil creatures a lot, but we need to be aware of what we're getting into and realistic about our abilities.
I could be convinced that certain exalted could stomp all over the fallen, but not automatically just because exalted are powerful.
Right now Lash is built to dominate this area and we're barely equipped to enter it, so we should avoid letting her push engagements there.
Even when we are better equipped we should go in with specific goals and limits in mind to help limit the degree to which she can screw our head on backwards.
Not a social spec exalted, she is vastly beyond what Molly can handle.
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Is it really that bad especially since we aren't buying what she's selling listening is only free info and what says that we can't just tell Harry after? And again it's a free intimacy ripe for sacrifice to FLG
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[X] Nope, nope, nope, not listening to Fallen Angels, especially when they sound reasonable
Yeah, yeah, we don't want our cool wizard friend to die either but that's his responsibility, just let us enjoy the rest of the soulgaze while it lasts.
Yeah, yeah, we don't want our cool wizard friend to die either but that's his responsibility, just let us enjoy the rest of the soulgaze while it lasts.
The attitude of "they can't make me do anything, so it's safe to listen" is one of their favorite ones to exploit. The fallen are very limited in what they can directly force, so social manipulation is a critical skill for them. Letting them talk is free in the same way letting a high essence Zenith caste solar talk is.
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[X] Hear her out, it's not like she can make you do anything
Lash is not Lasciel, or rather she has the potential to grow into her own person and I would like to be there to see that journey.
And conspiring with the mental shadow of a fallen angel in someone's soul is a much cooler choice than covering your ears and pretending that nothing is there.
Lash is not Lasciel, or rather she has the potential to grow into her own person and I would like to be there to see that journey.
And conspiring with the mental shadow of a fallen angel in someone's soul is a much cooler choice than covering your ears and pretending that nothing is there.
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[X] Nope, nope, nope, not listening to Fallen Angels, especially when they sound reasonable
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A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Nope, nope, nope, not listening to Fallen Angels, especially when they sound reasonable
If you want to find out what paying magical Willpower to resist totally mundane speech feels like, this would be it. But, uh, let's maybe not.
If you want to find out what paying magical Willpower to resist totally mundane speech feels like, this would be it. But, uh, let's maybe not.
She has potential, but isn't there yet.
Avoiding her entirely would be kind of annoying, but we have options between ignoring her forever and hopping onto her mental operating table and asking her to surprise us.
We know what she is and where she lives, we can reengage when we're better equipped for dealing with her.
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Both options are reasonable I think the people against are just molly being reasonable and everyone else is just a Usum being Usum
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We are having on relativly short talk for now.
It's not like Lash can whisper in our ear easily, she's living in Harry's head after all.
I'm not too worried that she will gain significant advantages from this talk and it will take some Charms to manage another one.
At which point we are an even harder target.
In this case you did not drag your fourth soul into this, that was actually the final safety. If Harry botched and not just failed the rolls during the soul gaze, Usum would have tried to shove him out by burning one of your willpower dots.
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In which Harry assumes we're possessed and everything goes to shit
I mean kind of yeah, but it would have depended on him being able to articulate what he saw which is not guaranteed. A botch would have been... bad.
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I very much disagree that hearing her in this instance is hopping onto her mental operating table and asking her to surprise us.
She has been inside Harry's mind for three and half years at this point and Harry still hasn't picked the coin. I'm not saying that she is harmless but I doubt that she has some super complicated plan on how to use us for her own goals.
She seems to think she has something to gain, or she wouldn't bother talking to us.
They're really, really good at this. Almost everyone they interact with knows what they're like; that they're traitors led by a guy known as the father of lies, and they still regularly manipulate and suborn people.
Rule one of the fallen is that just knowing what they're like isn't any protection.
Just look at the last chapter. Lash starts off by lamp shading that she's a habitual liar and transitions directly into deceiving us with at best half truths while sounding reasonable to Molly.
I don't expect her to flip us in one conversation, but we have barely any defenses against what she's liable to try yet. Giving her an opening is just letting her lay groundwork while our guard is down.
Harry is a ridiculous freak of nature befitting his status as protagonist, and she still got under his skin faster than almost anything else that tried recruiting him.
Harry has a lifetime of experience playing these games and his go to strategy is avoiding leaning on her as much as he can.
Molly, as an exalted, will likely exceed him in short order. But short order isn't the same thing as "before the dawn of the first day of her exaltation, with no useful prior experience to lean on".
The USS Hellfire is bullshit, but for the moment the captain is still a stressed out teenager who's in over her head. Lash doesn't need to improvise a complicated plan on the spot to exploit that.
Since you guys were talking about crafting, here is a WIP from the author of the fan book about how to make various classes of magic items:
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I am going to be using it because the alternative is the mostly weak stuff from Werewolf or the mind-numbing horror that is Mage20's crafting.
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I am going to be using it because the alternative is the mostly weak stuff from Werewolf or the mind-numbing horror that is Mage20's crafting.
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