Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
True, I meant more about the danger of getting into a cage match with something that strong that's also indestructible.
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- Germany
I don't see what we can win here, so I want to go to the point where Charity is confronted with the facts, then we can continue.
The problem is that it's not complicated, but still not something I believe we can overcome.
All social interaction is very much context sensitive and we are very much not the one suited to changing her mind in any way.
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Well if your sure then.
This has honestly made me doubt we will ever be able to reach any of our goals socially.
[X] Alectai
Edit: changed my vote
Edit: changed my vote
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Any significant social gains are going to be difficult just because Molly is still 17 in a world that views her as a child still. We're probably going to need to be patient and cautious about some stuff for a while longer just to avoid making too many waves, at least if we want to maintain any kind of Good relationship with the Carpenters.
The other complicating factor here, for people who haven't read DF is.
I high doubt she's ever going to approve of even regular magic. Choosing to have a demonic guide just makes this look exactly like a Denarian type situation, so that makes this new development even worse. It's almost exactly what she feared would happen in the first place.
Barring charm bullshit I don't think we're changing her opinion anytime soon.
Charity had magic, but let it fade. She views it as a risk to her daughter's soul that she is personally responsible for because magic power follows the maternal line.
I high doubt she's ever going to approve of even regular magic. Choosing to have a demonic guide just makes this look exactly like a Denarian type situation, so that makes this new development even worse. It's almost exactly what she feared would happen in the first place.
Barring charm bullshit I don't think we're changing her opinion anytime soon.
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- Germany
We are in a very good position to win socials against people who see us as an Infernal Exalted, and that will come up in time.
We have the skills and the charisma.
We are just not so great at winning an argument against our mother as a young girl, nevermind that I'm not sure if "winning" here would even help more than hurt.
We have the skills and the charisma.
We are just not so great at winning an argument against our mother as a young girl, nevermind that I'm not sure if "winning" here would even help more than hurt.
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We are in a fantastic situation to make social gains.
People just think information is Garbonzo beans I guess.
This is why I liked 3e Exalted. Learn intimacies, then work on them.
People get to wrapped up in their own heads and don't bother trying to learn how others think.
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Oh you are out of the last scene you actually used any power in, that was literally in a different layer of reality. Your anima level is 0 and your wiggle room is 4.
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"Winning" wraps up pretty much every reason why people can't see a way forward here. You don't "win" at a relationship by defeating the person across from you.
We have an opportunity to reach a better understanding of our mother. Or to help our mother reach a better understanding of ourselves.
These are both important, valuable things, but people seem to be focusing on "how do we convince Charity of this" without going through the steps.
Today Harry and Saint Marrys will be there to fix the situation for us. Are they going to help us bind and coerce demons? What about when we have to speak to people without them there?
Well, our best social ability is Intimidation, and the fact that we are an Infernal Exalt with Melee 5 and Dex 4 etc.
Unless we want to use demon intimidation tactics on Charity the social situation is very different.
And I don't think we can use Emerald Binding or the CoD enslaving Charm on her either.
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How to get Ally Harry Dresden 5Harry did technically do that in Storm Front.
...Yeah maybe he would be willing to help us summon demons.
Also maybe hide that were doing that from our parents.
Its a failure to communicate, there is no ability to fix that unfortunately.
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You know, that's a pretty interesting idea.How to get Ally Harry Dresden 5
...Yeah maybe he would be willing to help us summon demons.
Also maybe hide that were doing that from our parents.
If we spend our once per story Ancient Sorcery learning on that or just learn the Lanka CoD enslaving Charm, we could help Harry bind demons.
Without the stupidity of him giving them parts of his True Name to them as payment. And we could order them to do whatever we want, including to not do normal demon stuff.
Edit: Specifically DF style demons because some Exalted demons are actually pretty helpful and good to have around.
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- Germany
We can deal with both demons and most people who are not family without help.
That's what the social skills are for.
But we can't try to bulldoze our mother with social excellency, so we pick our battles.
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Please be mindful when summoning demons. Emerald binding, Exalted, Etc. Arrogance has killed way more powerful people than us.
Sapphire Unbinding can remove Denarians from hosts. Emerald Binding is the same style of Sorcery. I think we'll be good if we can get it on them, and Dresden style circles synergize very well with it.
But true, safety is always good. Its just not a reason not to try.
Edit: Especially because Dresden demons ARE the type to just maximize suffering and do evil for its own sake iirc.
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Arrogance has in fact killed most people exactly as powerful as you.
That said gathering a host of demons, not Fallen, the godlike former angels, but demons is entirely in the wheelhouse of an infernal. You even have treats to hand out, like not suffering the pains of their wretched condition.
Note, the demons that Dresden knows about, there is a lot out there he does not know about... and by 'out there' I mean including his dog.
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I am honestly worried about whether people know how to use those skills or not.
Oh we should definitely summon demons.
Thanks @DP
To pull an anecdote from another quest.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
The only way I see us making much in the way of social gains against Charity of all people is through blatant magical manipulation, or whatever Exalted BS we might be able to pull. She just doesn't have that sort of acceptance in her worldview. IIRC, in the books she barely accepted the idea of Molly learning regular mortal magic, so getting her onboard the Exalted train isn't going to come easy or quick.
Whatever we do, though, it needs to be true to the character of Molly as she is at this point in time rather than what makes the most sense to us, the questors. There will be time for that later, after she's had a chance to grow and develop as a character after this divergence.