Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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On one hand, haha funny drunk moneky
But on the other, why did they feel so strongly about drinking? The Ebon Rivers has a liquor culture, was the "everyone can get drunk" a way to allow even the highest cultivator to still participate in the society they grew up in? To let they form and maintain casual connections over drink, like they did when they were mortal?

We don't really know enough about Zheng culture to say what role alcohol plays within it. However, in the real world, there's sometimes an element of the sacred to it. Intoxication is an act of divine communion, a form of spiritual ecstasy.

This sort of dynamic is certainly present in the Emerald Seas' Dreaming Moon cult from what Meng Dan has said, though its a side of her patron that LQ isn't terribly comfortable around. LQ's cultivation encourages her to be more about deprivation than indulgence but its difficult for a Green to truly experience deprivation without it being some form of attack. I guess our interactions with Zeqing and Black Sky Yearning could be seen in that light if you squint?
 
We do know that the Fisher made the border between the material world and death/dreams stronger. It could have been in direct response to this that an early Zheng did their best to make sure alcohol could still effect people.
 
Turn 14: Arc 4-7
The grounds of the Meng manor were beautiful, with serene reflective ponds full of water lilies and floating wooden shrines, lit by pale candles and soft blue ghost-lights. The manor itself was a lovely thing of crystal glass and fine wood with no seams or joins, as if the whole thing were grown rather than built. Meng Dan led Ling Qi along winding paths to an outdoor pavilion just outside the manor's eastern wing, a low porch with a roof overlooking the gardens. There were long tables filling the pavilion and lanterns hanging from the ceiling, and It seemed very much like the kind of place where a party would be held.

Now, though, it was quiet - save for the distant strains of music from further inside the mansion.

"Feel free to let your spirits roam," offered Meng Dan, sitting down at one of the tables. The soft orange glow from the lanterns reflected off the polished wood and gave the whole thing a homey glow, as if the pavilion were an island of warmth drifting on a serene sea of mist. "Though I would ask Sir Zhengui to restrain himself."

Yinhui appeared across from him with a rustle like pages being flipped, and settled into a chair. Ling Qi gave a small nod of acknowledgement. The mist hissed and swirled as Zhengui materialized just outside the pavilion, his shell only around two meters wide. Hanyi appeared at Ling Qi's side in a shimmering veil of snowflakes, with her hands on her hips.

"Thank you for your accommodation, Sir Meng." said Ling Qi, finding her own seat in one of the woven wicker chairs nearby. The air of this place was very serene and peaceful.

Sixiang manifested their physical body in the chair beside Yinhui at that moment, and immediately threw an arm around the other moon spirit's childlike shoulders. "Heya, little cuz. And book boy! You miss us?"

"Things have been less exciting, yes," chuckled Meng Dan.

Ling Qi gave Sixiang a look, which the muse responded to with an innocent smile.

"I'm sure you needed the rest," Ling Qi finally said with a sigh. Hanyi climbed onto the arm of her chair and patted her shoulder. At least Hanyi recognized her grievance, even if she probably didn't understand it. That was a kind of progress.

"Most assuredly. I am only a frail scholar, after all." Meng Dan said lightly. "Would you care for refreshments, Baroness?"

Ling Qi stared at Meng Dan. Meng Dan's smile widened.

"If it's no trouble," responded Ling Qi. "It is one thing to hear of Xiangmen, but it is another to approach it."

"It is a wonder, isn't it?" said Meng Dan. He snapped his fingers, the sound echoing loudly in the mist, and Ling Qi sensed the movement of servants in the manor halls. "There are only a few other places in the Empire that can match it, I think. Shuilan, the Mountains of Flowers and Fruit, The Imperial City, and the Living Isle. I should like to see them all one day."

"I wouldn't mind that myself," mused Ling Qi. Even if she had her duties, she definitely felt at least a little tug of wanderlust. "The journey south had its' appeal."

"It is a beautiful land. I am sure you and your lady will do much with it." observed Meng Dan.

"We've located our probable capital."

"The waterfall is huuuuge!" interrupted Hanyi.

"The lake is really nice, and the fires under the earth are good - not like the nasty poison fires," agreed Zhengui, settling on the ground with a thump.

"Has some real goodies tucked away, too," Sixiang chimed in with a grin.

"Wonderful, I'm pleased for you." said Meng Dan. "For my part, it has been most satisfying to be given access to more of the clan library in my study of the tapestry. I know I am only being indulged by the Elders as a treat, but it is truly satisfying to be able to confirm more of my own theories on events."

Ling Qi hummed to herself. "I'm glad for you as well, Meng Dan. Out of curiosity, I've been doing my own kind of research. Have you ever heard of a serious heresy in the old Weilu faith?"

"There have been a number of splits and new sects which were called heresies at the time of formation," interjected Yinhui quietly, somehow maintaining her dignity even while Sixiang played with her hair. "More specificity is needed."

"Yinhui is not wrong," Meng Dan said. "The largest split occurred under the rule of the Xi, which produced my own family's faith and the Pure Way of the Hui."

"It would be something older than that. Maybe not as far back as pre-imperial, but probably First Dynasty," Ling Qi said.

"Mm, records from then are... less accessible." explained Meng Dan, his smile briefly becoming a thoughtful frown. "I assume you aren't speaking of the Mason War split."

"...I don't think so," Ling Qi said after a moment. "Well, it's something I've only touched the edges of myself. Maybe next time we meet I'll be the one who can dispense some history."

Meng Dan put a hand over his heart. "Miss Ling, you must not court my heart so brazenly."

Ling Qi chuckled politely, ignoring Sixiang and their waggling eyebrows. "Being serious though, Meng Dan - what is the Dreaming Way? What great spirit does it revere?"

Meng Dan's smile faded a touch. "It has none. There are a handful of ascended, thought of as teachers and torchbearers showing the way, but reverence isn't really the point."

"Well, what's the purpose then?" Ling Qi asked. "If it's not interceding for the favor of a god?"

"It's…" he trailed off thoughtfully. "Forgive me, Miss Ling, but I am not a monk or a teacher. It is difficult for one of middling devotion to explain properly."

"Ah, I'm sorry for putting you in a difficult position," apologised Ling Qi.

"No, no," he dismissed. "Let us see, I do not want to misrepresent us, but... in the eyes of the Dreaming Way, the material world is merely another layer of the liminal - a dream more solid and difficult to awake from. It is flawed and broken, corrupted from the intent of the Nameless. The Dreaming Way is a path to finding a true awakening - enlightenment, if you prefer. If enough people achieve this the Nameless may be reinvigorated, and their Great Dream made right."

Ling Qi frowned, considering his words. That sounded strange, but not particularly bad, though she supposed that depended on what you saw enlightenment as being.

"Isn't that like, stupid hard though?" Hanyi said. "Most humans are like, super weak, you'll never get enough to ascend."

"The truth of the Way and the truth of an individual cultivator are different things. Supposedly even a mortal can find enlightenment if they live a proper life under the strain my kin follow, but you are right that it is a distant dream at best," Meng Dan chuckled. "As I said, I am not personally devout. Perhaps you may request to speak with one more knowledgeable than I?"

"Of course," Ling Qi said, glancing to Sixiang, who looked thoughtful. "Shall we get to business, then?"

"A statement has been prepared," Yinhui said, sliding her a folded sheaf of paper from across the table.

Ling Qi picked it up gingerly, and felt her eyebrows rise at the number of spirit stones listed there. It was enough to make her personal cultivation expenses irrelevant for years, if focused on just that. But she had peeked into Cai Renxiang's planning, and knew that the costs of building and running early settlements far exceeded those expenses. Even considering that, it was a princely sum.

"Hm, isn't just spirit stones kinda boring?" Hanyi said. "Shouldn't there be like, super cool treasures and stuff?"
"Hanyi," Ling Qi scolded.

"Nah, any of the counts could offer spirit stones," Sixiang drawled. "Squirt is right."

"Both of your spirits are correct," Meng Dan chuckled, steepling his fingers. "The spirit stones are the baseline. My Grandmother and her peers have prepared a raft of other options for you to choose among. These are rather less prosaic options for payment, and I have been given leave to grant you any two of them."

A flick of his wrist brought forth a sheathe of densely written contracts, fanned across the table. "I expect you will wish to read these in full, but if you would like I can give you a summary?"

"Please." sighed Ling Qi, eyeing the legal documents with some resignation.

"First, we offer a number of exclusive texts and melodies from the tradition of Grandmistress Lei. Not her works themselves, unfortunately, but those of musicians in the direct line of her descent - one of which you seemed to have acquired on your own." began Meng Dan.

The Forgotten Vale Melody, long since made a part of her, fueling the Mist of her domain. Ling Qi could think of nothing else that he could be referring to. "I'm surprised at such an offer, given what I know of your clan."

"Oh it was a bit of a fight," Meng Dan said lightly, brushing over it. "Nonetheless, we guarantee no reprisals. There are no complete arts among the offer, but a cultivator of your talent and stage will no doubt find insights among them."

Reading between the lines, these were probably the copied physical notes of other musicians and cultivators from which she could create or modify arts with relative ease. This was likely to give the more consrvative elements of the Meng clan some face in retaining their secrets. She was going to have to work on turning her arts into something wholly her own, though.

"Go on," prompted Ling Qi. It wouldn't do to express interest either way yet.

"Second, we offer the services of a Meng Geomancer for a period of ten years, fully paid for his time," Meng Dan continued. "He will offer aid in constructing settlements and shaping your land. He will also be authorized to share the same level of our knowledge which is granted to our own barons and viscounts, and will tutor up to six individuals in this knowledge."

That was a good offer - without the last part, she might worry that the Meng were intending to make Lady Cai dependent on them for maintenance and expansion. That they would explicitly not be sharing their full knowledge made her trust it more. Zhengui perked up a little at the mention of tutoring too.

"I see, and the others?" Ling Qi asked, gesturing to the remaining three contracts on the table.

"Perhaps a little less personally exciting, we have a trade agreement," Meng Dan said, tapping one of the remaining contracts with his finger. "Under this agreement, all goods originating in your land will be tarif-free for a period of one hundred years, and receive preferential rates on all other tolls and taxes."

"It will probably be quite some time before we are producing anything worth trading." Ling Qi said dubiously.

"Ah, but as far as imperial law is concerned, goods from external polities originate with their first imperial 'buyer', being written with war plunder in mind," Meng Dan said. "A loophole likely to be closed in the future, if things go our way, but for now, useful, no?"

Ling Qi didn't exactly have a head for economics, but yes, she supposed she could see how that could be useful. It would encourage more traders at least, by cutting the costs of importing goods to the bone. It might make any efforts to open up Black Lotus pass again less useful, though, hurting her effort in the central valley. She waved him on.

"Next, I had noticed in our journey that your primary weapon talisman was a bit out of date for your cultivation..." Meng Dan paused as he saw her expression. "...My apologies, is something wrong?"

"It was destroyed recently, and had some sentimental value," Ling Qi said tersely. She let out a breath as Hanyi hugged her arm. "...Please continue. I really should have retired it sooner."

He pursed his lips but gave a small nod. "Well, the Meng clan has a tradition of musicians, as you know. My Grandmother can offer the services of a master craftsmen, one of my great-uncles, who is a sixth realm specialized in instruments. You would need to provide the materials for this, though - Uncle is... eccentric and demands such from all his clients."

"Understandable," What upper realm didn't have eccentricities? She still wasn't sure what she was going to do about her flute, but she supposed this was an option. She had no idea yet what she would do about materials.

"Might be something for our trips," murmured Sixiang in her head.

"Um, maybe something from Momma?" Hanyi offered uncertainly.

"The last one?" Ling Qi said, not visibly acknowledging either. She glanced at the page, and gave a double take, it was largely blank.

"The last is simply a favor from the Meng clan, not one that is wholly unlimited, but you will have the promise that my Grandmother will work to bring the clan around to support you in an endeavor that requires political weight, so long as it is not directly contrary to our interests," Meng Dan said.

Ling Qi looked hard at the blank page, bearing only the seal and heraldry of the Meng clan. Such an open-ended offer could be very powerful… or ineffectual. It all depended on the situation in which she chose to use it. She almost smiled as she imagined accepting and then immediately calling it in for support against the Duchess.

That certainly fell outside the limits of a favor, but perhaps it could be useful on the matter of Black Lotus Pass, or if some difficulty came up during negotiations in the south.

She would have to decide.

[ ] Notes and Writings from Master musicians of the Meng (New options and projects for creating and modifying arts)
[ ] Ten years of service from a Meng Geomancer, for construction and tutoring (Opens special options in fief construction. Zhengui gets ideas)
[ ] One hundred year trade agreement for duty free imports from your fief (More options if trade begins with the foreigners, closer ties with the Meng)
[ ] Access to a Master Craftsmen in constructing a new instrument (Sets down the path to a new weapon talisman, focused on acquiring resonant materials)
[ ] One open ended favor from the Meng clan (Gain alternate option in future events which will bypass or greatly decrease costs or difficulty. Once.)

You may select two of the options, please do not vote as plans, the two options with the highest totals will win.
 
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[X] Ten years of service from a Meng Geomancer, for construction and tutoring (Opens special options in fief construction. Zhengui gets ideas)

Dunno, but I want at least this one

[X] Notes and Writings from Master musicians of the Meng (New options and projects for creating and modifying arts)
 
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Can we get the music notes. Actually learning broader music has been one of those irritating things that LQ should know and would help her immensely but we picked other stuff. Like the tapestry for political reasons over the Grandmistress own notes back during the Ice Lady trip.
 
[X] Ten years of service from a Meng Geomancer, for construction and tutoring (Opens special options in fief construction. Zhengui gets ideas)

[X] Access to a Master Craftsmen in constructing a new instrument (Sets down the path to a new weapon talisman, focused on acquiring resonant materials)

I like these two. A flute made by a violet craftsman out of important materials sounds really fun, and Meng style geomancy with lessons for Zhengui sounds good to me.
 
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oh the options are so hard.

[ ] Access to a Master Craftsmen in constructing a new instrument (Sets down the path to a new weapon talisman, focused on acquiring resonant materials)
This is something we actually need, seems like a no-brainer.
 
[X] Notes and Writings from Master musicians of the Meng (New options and projects for creating and modifying arts)

Opens up new options for our arts and can build up Qi understanding music theory.

[X] Ten years of service from a Meng Geomancer, for construction and tutoring (Opens special options in fief construction. Zhengui gets ideas)

What's not to like 10 years of professional germoancer service and 6 people they will tutor for us.
 
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"...I don't think so," Ling Qi said after a moment. "Well it's something I've only touched the edges of myself. Maybe next time we meet I'll be the one who can dispense some history."

Meng Dan put a hand over his heart. "Miss Ling, you must not court my heart so brazenly."
Is it too late to abandon our duties to the Cai? Because Cultivator Buddy Cop Indiana Jones sounds hilarious.
 
Hm, some good options here. Interesting that the conservative Meng seem so protective of Grandmistress Lei's stuff - it makes me think that if we had voted for her book back in the Hui looting they would have been very upset if we'd kept it.

Now, for the vote, the question is, which of these areas do we want to get the biggest boost in? Because we could acquire a new flute elsewhere, or music insights elsewhere, or geomancy elsewhere, but what we choose here we will get faster, at higher quality, and without spending any more dosh (although we will need mats for the flute if we pick that).
 
It was enough to make her personal cultivation expenses irrelevant for years, if focused on just that. But, she had peaked into Cai Renxiang's planning and knew that the costs of building and running early settlements far exceeded those expenses, even considering that, it was a princely sum.
This is a meaty sentence. I think it might be run-on, but I'm not sure
 
[ ] Access to a Master Craftsmen in constructing a new instrument (Sets down the path to a new weapon talisman, focused on acquiring resonant materials)

Hell yeah. About time we were done with this flute crap. Banjo next? :V
 
"The last one?" Ling Qi said, not visibly acknowledging either. She glanced at the page, and gave a double take, it was largely blank.

"The last is simply a favor from the Meng clan, not one that is wholly unlimited, but you will have the promise that my Grandmother will work to bring the clan around to support you in an endeavor that requires political weight, so long as it is not directly contrary to our interests," Meng Dan said.

"The Bearer of This Letter Has Acted Under My Orders and for the Good of the State." - Richelieu, The Three Musketeers.
 
[ ] Access to a Master Craftsmen in constructing a new instrument (Sets down the path to a new weapon talisman, focused on acquiring resonant materials)
This one seems much more short term than the rest, at least in terms of commitment from their end.

And the promise of a favor is subject to both "value in the future is worth less than value in the present, which has time to snowball" and also "what have you done for me lately?"
 
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Fief-wise, the Master Geomancer seems to be a no-brainer.

Ling-wise, I'm torn between an early glimpse at the top music arts and the premium* replacement for our flute.

*Provided that we cough up premium materials.
 
Provided that we cough up premium materials.
Which Ling Qi is in an excellent position for, given what shes still owed from the Sect.

Combo that with the Geomancers and we're looking at absolutely ridiculous levels of cost savings, especially since the services of a 6th Realm arent something you can afford with merely money.

If we luck into the right mats, the resulting flute might just last Ling Qi for the remainder of the story
 
[X] Ten years of service from a Meng Geomancer, for construction and tutoring (Opens special options in fief construction. Zhengui gets ideas)

[X] Access to a Master Craftsmen in constructing a new instrument (Sets down the path to a new weapon talisman, focused on acquiring resonant materials)

100 years sounds pretty good. I want the Geomancer for Zhengui and to help with more successful fief layout/planning. An awesome weapon is also something that we'll want and it sounds like we won't outgrow anything we get too quickly. Not sure if our personal music effectiveness outweighs the hundred years in terms of benefit but being effective should give us more margin while we're questing for loot to sell.
 
[X] Ten years of service from a Meng Geomancer, for construction and tutoring (Opens special options in fief construction. Zhengui gets ideas)

Zhengui gets treats and hugs FAAAMILYYYY

[X] One open ended favor from the Meng clan (Gain alternate option in future events which will bypass or greatly decrease costs or difficulty. Once.)


or, I have no idea now so I choose futurr
 
We choose the Weilu tapestry over writings of Grandmistress Lei, now it's time to have our cake and sell it too. It feels like without any training Ling Qi... won't stagnate but will inevitably end up without new ideas and insights into Music. With the Forgotten Vale Melody being the core of our Domain and Lei's own Mists being the visual theme of our cultivation I don't see how this wouldn't be the best option.

Same with the Meng Geomancer. The Meng land's wards and geomancy was exactly what we wanted for our fief before we choose to found it in the lands of winding rivers and caverns. Now we have the perfect place to build a domain where labyrinthine misdirecting wards keep our settlements safe from Cloud Nomads. Combined with the teachings of the Grandmistress we'll have everything we need for a confusing Mist fief.

Maybe it's just me really wanting that promised Moon Quest for our flute and feeling disappointed if it'd be some Meng instead, but I'm not loving the Craftsman no matter how Master he is. And the trade agreement sound nice but in a numbers go up kind of way but the cost in narrative for exploring the Black Lotus Mountain, the Old Road, and our connection to the Diao and eastern counts feels pretty high.

[ ] Notes and Writings from Master musicians of the Meng (New options and projects for creating and modifying arts)
[ ] Ten years of service from a Meng Geomancer, for construction and tutoring (Opens special options in fief construction. Zhengui gets ideas)
 
Just a reminder please wait two hours to vote.

I'm pretty set on the geomancer, but torn between the craftsmen and the musical notes
 
The geomancer is a no-brainer IMO. It will boost the productivity and spiritual connection of our future peoples. Also gives Zhengui ideas--- that is a massive YES.

The second option is much harder to fill, as there are so many good options. Getting a sixth realm individual to craft a musical instrument for us is massive, but getting access to notes and insights in musical theory is also exceptionally beneficial.

I would personally avoid the promised favor as an option for the following reasons. First, I do not believe that we could collectively make a good decision on how to use it (without arguments and bad feelings arising at a minimum). Second, using the favor may put the Meng clan in a negative position even if the favor benefits us. Also, allies should avoid owing large-scale favors to one another as it builds up a more mercenary relationship rather than one built on actual friendship and mutual respect.
 
We choose the Weilu tapestry over writings of Grandmistress Lei, now it's time to have our cake and sell it too. It feels like without any training Ling Qi... won't stagnate but will inevitably end up without new ideas and insights into Music. With the Forgotten Vale Melody being the core of our Domain and Lei's own Mists being the visual theme of our cultivation I don't see how this wouldn't be the best option.

Same with the Meng Geomancer. The Meng land's wards and geomancy was exactly what we wanted for our fief before we choose to found it in the lands of winding rivers and caverns. Now we have the perfect place to build a domain where labyrinthine misdirecting wards keep our settlements safe from Cloud Nomads. Combined with the teachings of the Grandmistress we'll have everything we need for a confusing Mist fief.

Maybe it's just me really wanting that promised Moon Quest for our flute and feeling disappointed if it'd be some Meng instead, but I'm not loving the Craftsman no matter how Master he is.

Thank you about the reminder for the moon quest, I completely forgot about it!
 
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