Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]

The second option did not said anything about taking care of the children.... which, i would assume is part of the "other potential side effects", like the kids being just...killed off, both physhicaly and liminaly., as a kind of scorched earth tactic. with some of the towns/villages as well.
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]

On the simple basis that if they drag their feet or sweep it under the rug, then we can put quiet pressure on by raising the Diao connection later. If we open hard and fast they'd be forced to respond hard and fast, but thats not going to be a good show of diplomatic tact.

They're the number 2 power of the province. If we play hardball the ball gets smashed into our face even if we fix the immediate problem.

Plus I think this would be better for the kids in some way. Turning the kids into pawns in the Diao internal faction struggle is not going to be any kind of good for the kids.
The Imperial leaning side will be using the argument to ridicule their fox connection, because what an honored cousin - to be raping and murdering in their fief, or to try to silence and suppress all traces.
The Weilu leaning side would be either distancing themselves from Madame Grey because its the worst kind of example of their heritage, or trying to make things right.

Either way, exceedingly unpleasant for the kids to become pieces in a high level slapfight they cannot understand.. Better to 'just' be charity cases.
Diao Hualing must have caught her slight unease, because the woman looked at her curiously for a long moment before continuing. "But, we should speak of your matter. We have begun investigations into the region your source indicated and found some corroborating evidence ourselves. There, we have found some indications of minor fraud and bribery occurring. Small matters, beneath the usual level our offices concern."

Ling Qi considered this, turning away from the roses. "There is some problem with the District investigators?"

Diao Hualing pursed her lips. "So far, it does not rise beyond a certain… slothfulness, rather than any direct collaboration, but yes. A number of clerks and officers of the lower and middle ranks will be receiving very negative performance reviews."

"And how does this relate to my issue?" Ling Qi asked curiously.

"We believe the fraudster responsible for a number of other minor crimes is positioned in the Districts Ministry of Communication. We have reduced the possible culprits to a half dozen or so," Diao Hualing said. "In a few weeks we expect to have narrowed it further."

"It seems strange that one who had been getting away with minor things would escalate," Ling Qi said thoughtfully as they resumed walking around the fountain, heading into a grove of vibrant cherry trees. "...Ah, but this fellow is certainly a dupe, am I right?"

"A minor fraudster, getting by on little pieces of sabotage and embezzlement? Certainly. He was likely working for another in this case. A 'dupe' as you said."

It wasn't a new idea for Ling Qi, it was why it was dangerous to work for someone else on the streets. You never knew when they were just throwing you to a bigger wolf to test their reaction, or just to provide a distraction.
Thats...a little more advanced that expected from someone doing it as an attack of opportunity might have. Definitely not a lone gunman then, just a weak link that was exploited.

State actor using open market resources or someone smaller throwing in hazards?
"Well that is unfortunate for him. How can I continue to assist?"

"There is some possibility that the culprit will have some methods of escape which would require significant resources to neutralize, if our assumptions are not correct. Since I know that you wish to involve yourself, perhaps you would like to save the Ministry this expense?"

"Doing the capture hm," Ling Qi considered. Hanyi naturally seemed to like the idea, though Zhengui seemed more ambivalent.

"It's probably not bad practice, if nothing else, and you do need to get her on your side," Sixiang murmured.

"I don't object, but is that legal? I wouldn't want to offend the lord whom owns the lands," Ling Qi said.

"Granting temporary arrest power to a contracted agent requires some paperwork, but is hardly too unusual," Diao Hualing shrugged.
I also notice this implicitly leaves Qi holding the bag if the culprit gets away.
If the Diao or Ministries manage to slip up, it looks like a conspiracy.
If the offended party herself fails to catch the connection, then all that can be done, has been done.
 
So basicly some rando official just took their customary bribes, like you do, and did not bother to check whose mail they were tampering with.
Wonder if things would have been different if they had more of an ear on the high level politics of the province?
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]

Honestly, I want this because it gives Su Ling a "bigger" life goal to aim for. It being of no cost to Ling Qi is a bonus, but I honestly believe that if the quest ever get to the point of Su Ling doing her Final Boss Confrontation, I fully expect the thread to throw lots of costly support her way.
 
Kidnapping children is bad.

I hate to have to say this, but let's not lie to ourselves: saying that the Diao will be "rounding up stray children" effectively means kidnapping them. Oh, perhaps some genuine destitute orphans will be helped, but historically speaking when efforts to do this sort of thing were implemented in 18th and 19th-century London it mostly meant kidnapping working-class children who were in local public places without an adult and deporting them to Canada and/or India to be "raised properly". This is because this sort of policy, when ran and implemented by a bunch of rich people with their own preoccupations and limited knowledge of how things work locally, is likely to fail at basic targeting (let alone actually making shit work properly).
The wording of the vote suggests that by giving the Diao in incomplete version of the facts, we will be misleading them regarding what actually happens and they will be rounding up children they suspect may be sacrificed and/or who were "abandoned" for sacrifice. It even seems like they won't only grab fox children, because they'll be hunting for sacrificial rites practiced by locals (to the fox). This brings me back to the targeting issue: It's also hard to survive as an abandoned orphan, while it's easy to grab poor kids who aren't actually abandoned by mistake. Similarly, methods to identify "how children are being mistreated" by local rich folk have historically been really terrible, so if they go around trying to guess who'll sacrifice their kids I don't expect them to get it right most of the time.

I also completely disagree with the idea that the second vote option means blackmail. We'll be politely pointing out a problem they can fix, and doing it confidentially too. They'll be displeased because we know about this shameful matter, not because LQ will be threatening them or whatever.

The Empire having a semi-meritocratic bureaucracy that's open to change, is indeed one of the most shocking twists in this story.
That's actually not necessarily too different from some period of China's history (which definitely inspired lots of the worldbuilding).

[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, using the Diao connections you've discovered to make implications, let the possibilities of deviant cultivation and sacrificial methods to do the rest. [80% Success. Will cause some friction with Diao Hualing even on success, will cause more stringent attention on the matter of Madam Grey. Negative Diao rep on failure. Other potential side effects.)
 
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That's an interesting take on the subject.
I would assume we give them enough info that they can actually identify the victims, anything less seems actively counter productive, not to mention stupid.
There is no need to claim that there is somekind of cult going on.
All we need to say is that the malicious fox spirit intentionally leaves a child as a "payment" for the human they kill, and then eats the child when they get abandoned by the grieving next of kin and/or village they were left in.
No actual cult or worship involved.
No mention of where the fox came from.
Not a peep about the Hui or Diao.
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, using the Diao connections you've discovered to make implications, let the possibilities of deviant cultivation and sacrificial methods to do the rest. [80% Success. Will cause some friction with Diao Hualing even on success, will cause more stringent attention on the matter of Madam Grey. Negative Diao rep on failure. Other potential side effects.)

Outside of dealing with Madam Grey I would like to share this with the Diao for it's own sake. We know how much of a sore spot the Diao's history with the Hui is. How their greatest internal divisions are both about how to identify away from their subservience to the Hui, either by becoming more imperial or by returning to their ancient past. Reminding them that the Hui were actively against their connection to the Kitsune seems like an powerful way to empower Diao Hualing's more Weilu Moderate faction while eventually making that faction grateful to Ling Qi. If this is what the other potential side effects mean then it's worth having some non-hostile friction with Hualing.

I feel like it's worth noting that this isn't LQ threatening the Diao, she doesn't need to, it's her making Hualing aware of the taboo practices that are distantly connected to their clan and Hualing's faction specifically. They won't like it, and if it becomes known it will harm rather than help Hualing's faction, so it is in their own interest to pay some attention to Madam Grey, which we will then be able to cooperate with. The friction with Hualing is something that we would have the opportunity to deal with during the Long Arm of the Law Quest and long term it feels like if we want the Diao to be an ally this would be the tribulation that ensures that. Encouraging the Diao to revive the lost legacy could later draw them further towards Renxiang's future reformist faction and away from the Duchess. A good roll might easily have some extremely beneficial Other potential side effects, so even if it's a bit excessive for dealing with Madam Grey it's a way to ultimately make friends with the Diao and even if this vote is 50 votes behind if nothing else I'd like to see this storyline picked up again later.
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[ ] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.

I don't like option 2 because we are implying that the Diao are currently and actively involved in Madame Grey's sacrifices. Which, besides being a risky political move, I don't think is true.
The Diao has undeniably a responsibility in this matter. Even if they were forced by the Hui, the broken pacts and the intentional poisoning of the land created this whole situation. And then they left it to fester for who knows how many centuries, even if some attempts to hunt Madame Grey were made.
But saying that they purposefully benefiting and cultivating from it, that's taking it too far.

After our dream adventure, Ling Qi and Su Ling's priority is to get any fox children out there to safety, not to immediately hunt down Madame Grey.
Option 1 grants us that, and it only says it may be temporary. It could also be not. Besides, "temporary" is a relative term for cultivators. If we get a couple of decades of rescueing children I will be satisfied. We can act again then.

Finally, about pushing the Neo-Weilu movement. I think that publicly saving and maybe adopting fox children is a better way to reconnect and promote with the old ways than screaming "Child Sacrificial Cult" around.
That is something that the Imperial Diao faction would claim is the consequence for deviating of the Imperial Way, even if it actually happened due to forcing such ways in the first place.
 
[X] Bring round the subject of the fox children, but avoid mentioning the Diao connection you discovered, leave the matter with the deviant cultivation and sacrificial practices going on. [70% Success. Success means avoiding threats and having some fraction of the Diao enforcement turning to rounding up stray children. May be temporary.]
 
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