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The Dawi in Arda (Hiatus)

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[X]Plan: Let's Make A Deal

[X] Write-In your plan/offer for Gisilhari and his Royal Huskarls
"Ten years is not such a long time for the Dawi young King. We will guest you here in a surface hall for you and your Huscarls and even train them if you will accept the offer. For there are few that know the secrets to Urk slaying better than the Dawi, and we have long experience training Umgi. It will be hard, and it will be punishing. But I can assure you manling, that when you are of age by the measure of your people, you will be able to leave Karak Drekfurt with head held high and a warhost worthy of the name. If you and yours would earn further aid, your throng could do well to aid us in meeting other kingdoms of your people, so that we might trade and find common cause with them. You can fight beside us against any attack, and those that do, will be girded in proper Dawi Steel and bear arms of the same. You will not find better I am confident, even if you can find its match. For now, rest, and know that vengeance will be yours in a decade's time. I will also see to it that you are introduced to the Noldor and Lord Elrond their ruler. Perhaps he can be of further aid to you."

honestly, i think star-metal while rare is available in middle earth, we just have to DIGGY DIG and hope we get a nat 100 on the roll...or the QM giving us a small deposit of the star metal. issue is gromil is tainted by warpstone, but untainted gromil? Now that would be something to see...
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I figure we don't need to switch stuff around @argenten , just add coal for grain.
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Eh, fair nough, I can put in say...30 coal and use the remaining 1 SC in my plan for 4 initial grain and 1 more each turn for 10 coal for 5 turns, that should give us plenty to diversify with.

Warkeymon said:
Grain can be used for food and planting. So far founding a farm has drawn from your supply of crop the same as eating.
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Okay, so "Below the level of abstraction for this quest" level detail, good to know. Cause planting grain is very inedible as I discovered.
 
[X]Plan: Let's Make A Deal

[X] Write-In your plan/offer for Gisilhari and his Royal Huskarls
"Ten years is not such a long time for the Dawi young King. We will guest you here in a surface hall for you and your Huscarls and even train them if you will accept the offer. For there are few that know the secrets to Urk slaying better than the Dawi, and we have long experience training Umgi. It will be hard, and it will be punishing. But I can assure you manling, that when you are of age by the measure of your people, you will be able to leave Karak Drekfurt with head held high and a warhost worthy of the name. If you and yours would earn further aid, your throng could do well to aid us in meeting other kingdoms of your people, so that we might trade and find common cause with them. You can fight beside us against any attack, and those that do, will be girded in proper Dawi Steel and bear arms of the same. You will not find better I am confident, even if you can find its match. For now, rest, and know that vengeance will be yours in a decade's time. I will also see to it that you are introduced to the Noldor and Lord Elrond their ruler. Perhaps he can be of further aid to you."
 
argenten said:
Which in Warhammer lore are all made of the same base metal, but how they are smelted and processed makes them different

Gromril - Warhammer - The Old World - Lexicanum

whfb.lexicanum.com whfb.lexicanum.com

Also added in the grain for initial deal as well as for 5 year deal.
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Yeah, but it's a stone in Arda.

Send Out Sniffers, Success.
Challenge Level: 40
(2 Miner Dice)
76-5+86-5-5-5+4 = 146
The Stonebeards have gone down into the Depths and put their noses to the walls. They manage to mine out a section of the Depths where there is a most pungent scent and have come across a small cave ridden with Sulphur. Bright yellow crystals around a shallow pool of water means the Longbeards go in first to check this pool for any of the beasts that have been found in the other waters of the Depths. There are no such things here and the Stonebeards bring back plenty of the yellow crystal.

When Nendumir returns with his own prize of Sulphur, and it quickly becomes apparent that the Glintgears can't store all of it safely and securely there becomes something of a problem. For now, the scent of rotting egg drifts through the Glintgear Clan Residences.

+ 14 Sulphur
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Is there anything that determines what the sniffers find @Warkeymon ? A hidden roll or something?
 
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@Warkeymon Just as a clarification: Any dice value is for the full 5 years whereas any product is per year, correct?

Example long term:
So if we sell 5 ingots per year that would give us 1000 SC per year for a total of 5000 SC?
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Yeah, but it's a stone in Arda.
Is there anything that determines what the sniffers find @Warkeymon ? A hidden roll or something?
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Adamant the stone in Arda is diamond. It's the old name for diamond and Tolkien uses it as the gemstone in Galadriel's ring Nenya. The nickname Ring of Adamant fits with the other two which are the Ring of Sapphire (Elrond) and the Ring of Ruby (Gandalf) as a name set using their gemstones. He mentions it a few other times to describe the silmarils as well.

The Sniffers after being successful roll on the prospector's chart until they hit something that isn't nothing or worse.

Pancake33 said:
@Warkeymon Just as a clarification: Any dice value is for the full 5 years whereas any product is per year, correct?

Example long term:
So if we sell 5 ingots per year that would give us 1000 SC per year for a total of 5000 SC?
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That is correct.
 
@argenten I don't think we need to sell as much as your plan suggests to still get quite a lot of things. We just need to sell 5 silver ingots per turn for 5000 SC effectively saving us our Rhunrikki die if we compromise a little.
 
And what would we be using our Runesmith dice for the next 5 turns? cutting out the runesmith and only adding in the rest of the silver (since we only *get* 5 a turn) will cut the plan's funds and thus the dice we'd be getting.

What actual plans do you have for that runesmith dice that are more valuable than the various artisan, farmer, and so on dice that we'd be getting for my plan as is?
 
We can carve more runes in the mountain passes fortifying our position. We could possibly train more Runesmiths.

Regardless, I'm just saying the math is off. Long term you are getting 8 350 SC from the things you sell in your plan and it costs 6 750 SC
 
So, @Warkeymon , is the idea to revisit and look over how things will be handled at the end of the Five Years? So it's ok, for example, to set a deal that isn't sustainable beyond the five years based on planning to reduce parts of it at the end?
 
Soo...no, no specific plans, concrete suggestions, or anything beyond vague "We *could* do this."

No, my plan is on a per year basis and it's balanced out appropriately, both in the immediate barter and the 5 year plan. Not sure where you're getting you're numbers from.
 
[X]Plan: Let's Make A Deal
[X] Write-In your plan/offer for Gisilhari and his Royal Huskarls
"Ten years is not such a long time for the Dawi young King. We will guest you here in a surface hall for you and your Huscarls and even train them if you will accept the offer. For there are few that know the secrets to Urk slaying better than the Dawi, and we have long experience training Umgi. It will be hard, and it will be punishing. But I can assure you manling, that when you are of age by the measure of your people, you will be able to leave Karak Drekfurt with head held high and a warhost worthy of the name. If you and yours would earn further aid, your throng could do well to aid us in meeting other kingdoms of your people, so that we might trade and find common cause with them. You can fight beside us against any attack, and those that do, will be girded in proper Dawi Steel and bear arms of the same. You will not find better I am confident, even if you can find its match. For now, rest, and know that vengeance will be yours in a decade's time. I will also see to it that you are introduced to the Noldor and Lord Elrond their ruler. Perhaps he can be of further aid to you."
 
You are selling 3 silver per year at 200SC per silver. That is 600 Silver per year. In 5 years that gives us 3000 SC.

The dice are not on a per year basis. It's per 5 years.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
So, @Warkeymon , is the idea to revisit and look over how things will be handled at the end of the Five Years? So it's ok, for example, to set a deal that isn't sustainable beyond the five years based on planning to reduce parts of it at the end?
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When the five years is up the agreement ends and provided everyone is happy with how it went there'll be another meeting to set up the next one.

You'll be able to grant the Royal Grim of Karak Drekfut to Elrond to mark him as a trustworthy trade partner and supplier of quality goods if you want to and you'll be able to set up longer agreements with Imladris.

So this deal only has to last five years and it's okay if you can't afford a sixth year. The next deal is built on the relationship from this deal and not the actual deal itself.
 
Pancake33 said:
The dice are not on a per year basis. It's per 5 years.
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No they are not, they are only that way if the trade deal puts us in debt to Rivendel

Warkeymon said:
Yes so for the five year plan say how many per year. But if the initial barter is say 10 in debt to Rivendell then the five year plan needs to cover that ten over the whole 5 years rather than cover it every year.
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Warkeymon said:
When the five years is up the agreement ends and provided everyone is happy with how it went there'll be another meeting to set up the next one.

You'll be able to grant the Royal Grim of Karak Drekfut to Elrond to mark him as a trustworthy trade partner and supplier of quality goods if you want to and you'll be able to set up longer agreements with Imladris.

So this deal only has to last five years and it's okay if you can't afford a sixth year. The next deal is built on the relationship from this deal and not the actual deal itself.
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I mean, ideally with my trade deal we'd just be expanding/tweaking it but hey, this works too :p
 
Warkeymon said:
The dice are per five years. I meant that you can balance debts caused by the initial barter with using the five year agreement and the other way around.
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And that just means the numbers are multiplied by 5 but functionally it works out the same per year. and fair nough.

It would mean the 5 year trade would come to a total of 28,360 in buying and selling.
 
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@argenten

I have a proposition. We can go for plans that aren't sustainable in the long term to really make our bang for our buck.

I propose we reduce the initial silver expenditure so that we can put, say, ten a year into the five year plan. That will make out net gain significantly higher for what we purchase from it. Especially if we want to buy more dice.
 
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