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I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Grand Army of the Republic: A Star Wars Plan Quest
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They are Mandalorians and most probably aware of the consequences of incest babies. If romance between two of them happens and they want to start a family they will simply adopt. As Mando's often do.
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I mean, we are talking of hundreds of millions of young men and women at the (physical) prime of their lifes, it's probably going to happen at some level.
Love is not always a choice, and with the sheer amount of clones making up the army by this point I will be downright amazed if it hasn't already happened with some of them.
I do not think genetic engineering is necessary though. Honestly I'd be surprised if the female clones are fertile, since the Kaminoans knew from the beginning what they were for.
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i mean,i dont doubt they will fuck at some point(in times of war,any hole is trench as my uncle said),but i trust them to realize that getting their cousins pregnants is very bad idea because of basic biology
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Thus my argument against the necessity of genetic engineering to avoid incest babies. Besides, they're mando's, if they want to have kids they're just going to grab a war orphan an teach him to kill things, as is right and proper.
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you are really putting expectations that they will fall in love in enough quantities that childmaking would be an important enough issue to adress
that being said,genetic diversity is probably something we should look to give them in retirement (clones will settle in similar areas,so is very likely that a couple generations down the line inbreeding or genetic issues could happen as everyone shares a grandpa with the same genetic code)
but a minor therapy to "shuffle" their DNA a bit should solve that
so just some minor therapy to randomize DNA of clones a bit after retirement
in order to avoid long term genetic issues on demographics descendants of clone settlers
part of a ''retirement package''
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Okay, it seems like I'm hiting my head against a wall here so I'm going to be as blunt as possible.
I HAVE BEEN AGREEING WITH YOU SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. I DO NOT THINK IT'S AN ISSUE WE NEED TO ADRESS.
Okay? Read that some times and absorb it's meaning, cause I'm not going to lie it's really frustrating having someone arguing with me and trying to convince me of the opinions I am already championing since before you entered the conversation. Being repeatedly misenterpreted is not a fun experience.
My argument has always been that, while some level off fraternization among the clones is going to happen, it's probably not going to be something that will require we spend time doing genetic engineering to avoid malformed incest babies. Nothing else.
That may be a good idea, depending on the post-war situation of the clones.
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yep,i apologize
yep,working on a retirement package for clone soldiers would be something good (assuming the galaxy still stable enough to demobilize the clones)
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I'm not entirely sure what the current line of discussion is about, but the clones won't be engaging incest (just why?) and as usual, scrambling the genetics of the clones became a non-option you decided to go all in on genetically enhancing them. You can't both give them finely balanced genetic modification and then put those same genes through the blender. Well, not without bad things happening to those clones.
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Hundreds of millions of young men and women at the (physical) prime of their lifes, isolated from almost all contact outside of their fellow clones. It seems inevitable that some level of fraternizetion between them will happen.
I hadn't really thought about it before @PurpleMoose brought attention to it, but it does makes sense. Even if I disagree with his conclusion off needing to take an action to avoid issues with incest babies.
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Yeah no. The clones see each other as brothers and sisters and won't be engaging in incest. I'm not sure how you got to "incest makes sense and seems inevitable", but it won't happening.
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Well, at the time you hadn't made any declaration about it, and as such I had to base my conclussion on the closest RL equivalent situation.
People falling in love with close relatives may be rare but it does happen, and with the clones (hundreds of millions of them no less) being incredibly isolated from anyone that wasn't their instructors and the Kaminoans that treat them as simply products to sell, it seemed logical to assume it would happen at some level. That was my train of though regarding it.
Either way, you're the QM. If you say it doesn't happen it doesn't happen.
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Would it be reasonable for us to perform actions to ensure they start finding worthy hands ten minutes after the war starts? Equipment drops with the existing Republic Navy and more trustworthy local powers, recruitment drives among ecumenopolis worlds using poverty as a tool, equipping guerilla groups behind enemy lines or in their projected paths, preemptively hire all the mercenaries before the Separatists reach for their checkbooks, etc. At least as a feasibility study.
Once we get the Facilities for Production up and running, then we can focus on that.
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I just started following the thread, and I'm not sure about plans, but I do have a question:
We seem to have a dramatic shortfall in.... Blasters. As in, far less than the number of trained clones so far.
Isn't that an issue? Or are we planning to just source Blastec off the galactic market when fighting breaks out?
We seem to have a dramatic shortfall in.... Blasters. As in, far less than the number of trained clones so far.
Isn't that an issue? Or are we planning to just source Blastec off the galactic market when fighting breaks out?
Direct offsprings are not even the main issue. Say 1000 troopers from your legion survive to retirement. The decide to settle together a make a small town on some planet. For the sake of argument, all of them find partners (including outside of their species).
Couple of decades later, you have a new generation, full of piss and vinegar, as youths are want to. They are all half-sibling (i.e. they have the same parent genetically). Over a thousand of them living in the same town. Literally the only game in town. Normal people form relations with those around them, not any of the trillion sexually compatible partners across the galaxy. So unless you have very restrictive measures in place, general inbreeding ensues.
To be sure, this was a problem with the canon clones, as well. It was largely mitigated by them being only men (thus no 'zero' degree incest), living for no more than two decades after training and not being allowed to retire by the Empire. Only select few troopers escaped to form a family and they were constantly in hiding or on the run, so no proper community could form for first degree incest in the second generation to become an issue.
Couple of decades later, you have a new generation, full of piss and vinegar, as youths are want to. They are all half-sibling (i.e. they have the same parent genetically). Over a thousand of them living in the same town. Literally the only game in town. Normal people form relations with those around them, not any of the trillion sexually compatible partners across the galaxy. So unless you have very restrictive measures in place, general inbreeding ensues.
To be sure, this was a problem with the canon clones, as well. It was largely mitigated by them being only men (thus no 'zero' degree incest), living for no more than two decades after training and not being allowed to retire by the Empire. Only select few troopers escaped to form a family and they were constantly in hiding or on the run, so no proper community could form for first degree incest in the second generation to become an issue.
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You do not a shortfall in Blasters, you got more than five times as many blasters as you need to equip all of the clones.
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... We have 125,872 units of blasters and 23,901 units of clones, not to mention we're getting four times as many new blasters as new clones per turn. That's the opposite of a dramatic shortfall -- as it stands, every clone could grab every blaster they could carry and we'd still have spares.
EDIT: And the QM beat me to it.