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A Song Of Peace: Imperial Regent Quest [40k]

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meianmaru said:
You know, the more I think about it, the less sure I'm about going first for Grand Master Aidan Perdron. While the trials are inhumane and narrow the number of recruits that make it through the process to a bare trickle, we should also consider how the Grey Knights will see Pandora tampering with their trials instead of gifting them more knowledge that will be directly useful for fighting Daemons. Laying out the foundation for their future teachings would probably help way more in making them move towards being our true allies.
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What do you mean "instead of"?
Swordomatic said:
Note: Pandora will spend time with all of them. This is only which gets her focus.
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We're doing some of everything. Fear that we'll be seen as fucking around instead of helping them is completely unfounded.

Honestly, that's without even tackling the idea that the GKs will be offended by us improving their recruitment speed, which is dubious all its own. These are not people hidebound by tradition, or they wouldn't be badgering us to re-write them.

And do you know who is guaranteed to be extremely in favor of being on our side through thick and thin if we focus on Perdon? "I might owe this person my life" thankful? Every single Grey Knight initiate. Not something that necessarily will happen if we put our focus somewhere else and the mark we leave right now isn't as obvious.

I said it early, I'll say it again: go with the option with compounding returns. Go with the option that saves lives and leads with Pandora's conscience.

[X] Meet with Grand Master Aidan Perdron

Paranoia among friends we could do less with.
 
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[X] Meet with Castellan Garran Crowe

Potentially free up some of the resources tied up guarding dangerous things, and work towards shortening the window where chaos could potentially recover things in the future.

Also, the possible insight into Anathema and panda-dad could be very useful towards future actions around him and the golden throne. Maybe we could even find ways to make Pink Knights?
 
meianmaru said:
But it will be her focus for the limited time she has. Starting with the basics of the teaching should allow us the most acceleration for later on when we can do more than just quickly look over things.
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Which still doesn't mean "doing this instead of doing things they want". The fear mongering about pissing off the grey knights if we go Pedro is unfounded and you should explicitly take it back.

As for "starting with the basics of teaching" - that's not something we'll see any benefit from until we do more work with the GK later, which is honestly not that great when we have to move on to other priorities first.

But having more grey knights period because we started a decade earlier, and having the newbies know that they got the lions' share of attention? That simply gives a better final results. More grey knights, and generations of grey knights who will share greater loyalty to us than we could otherwise manage. The earlier it happens, not only the longer we get more GKs, but the stronger the loyalty effect will be. That sort of effect is the main reason you'd want to do something early, and Hyperion does not have an equivalent. No, not even for his personal loyalty, nothing we do here will obviously save his life.

The notion that we definitely will be taking a significantly larger grey knights action next turn is also one I dispute - not just because Pandora herself thought they could wait, not just because we're giving them more stuff to tide them over now, but because we have comparatively been neglecting the Telepathica and they need our attention next. Grand Master Aidan Perdron prepares us for that. High Prognosticar Hyperion does not.

If we want more allies, we have to show the benefits that our existing allies get. If we neglect them in favor of potentials, then we will always have to pay out the nose to get new people on our side because they'll know that once the wooing phase is over the gravy train stops. Ergo, monofocusing on the grey knights is a mistake in the first place.
 
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Prime 2.0 said:
High Prognosticar Hyperion does not.
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Not true, actually. The Grey Knights by and large can be taken as a test case for the Telepathica, with Pandora using them to mentally trial what reforms she can implement on a body of Psykers that are by and large more powerful and more controlled than the Telepathica, with little to fear from Chaos and a significantly more developed Discipline to begin with. None of the actions will be 'wasted' by only being useful for the Grey Knights.
 
I have to ask is it worth picking Aidan Perdron when any future recruits the Grey Knights would learn same old inefficient methods of fighting Chaos, harder to unlearn them later on when Pandora make changes to Sanctic Daemonology.
 
Jrin said:
I have to ask is it worth picking Aidan Perdron when any future recruits the Grey Knights would learn same old inefficient methods of fighting Chaos, harder to unlearn them later on when Pandora make changes to Sanctic Daemonology.
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I don't understand how Pandora would make changes to Sanctic Daemonology. While she does have a connection to the domain of Anathema, it's not actually hers. The corpse on the golden throne is still in charge of it, or at least has the greatest claim to it. Unless I'm misunderstanding something horribly.
 
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