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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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I mean, even ignoring the Cult of Grimnir thing, the Grimnir Gronti would be a basically indestructible beatstick that would take something like Karanos The Black waking up or someone showing up with the Sword of Khaine, to even have a chance of breaking it. A unbeatable, unstopable warmachine to protect the Hold and the Far North whenever its needed, along side or instead of Snorri himself should the worse happen or we're just too busy. Like, we know massive wars are going to happen, we have one with the Fimir now, and the eventual Age of Woes from the Slann moving the continent, plus the probably? inevitable War of the Beard.

Like yeah, Cloak is nice, and a set bonus would be great. I just think the Grimnir Gronti with a full suit of Weapons, Armor?, and a Banner would do more.
 
soulcake said:
Depends on what you consider a Hold.

The canonical Holds and the new ones? Maybe a dozen or two.
Every settlement, canonical or not, that a Dwarf considers a Hold? A lot more than you have.
Of course theres the political message of giving Runes to only some of the Holds so good luck if you do this idea.

Which Snorri would not recommend.
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Looking back at the development of Kraka Drakk. Let's say every hold that has a royal clan?

We can even make snazzy poster "Every king a ring!"

Hmmf. If a new bunch of royal clans pop up we could always give them a bunch of rings when the next high king takes over in order to keep things organized.

You can't just call someone a gift giver and not expect him to give out a bunch of enchanted magic rings!
 
Nix's Warden said:
I mean, even ignoring the Cult of Grimnir thing, the Grimnir Gronti would be a basically indestructible beatstick that would take something like Karanos The Black waking up or someone showing up with the Sword of Khaine, to even have a chance of breaking it. A unbeatable, unstopable warmachine to protect the Hold and the Far North whenever its needed, along side or instead of Snorri himself should the worse happen or we're just too busy. Like, we know massive wars are going to happen, we have one with the Fimir now, and the eventual Age of Woes from the Slann moving the continent, plus the probably? inevitable War of the Beard.

Like yeah, Cloak is nice, and a set bonus would be great. I just think the Grimnir Gronti with a full suit of Weapons, Armor?, and a Banner would do more.
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ah yes 6 different pieces of equipment will do more than one very astute reasoning. but we aren't talking about it with equipment. just the gronti
 
The biggest problem here is we are simply unprepared. Had we realized we had such a short window sooner (we did suspect this was coming soon) we would have put in the appropriate orders and research.

now we either want to use an unresearched T5, or want to pray we roll a t4 heart for the gronti.
 
I wonder, what if the next level of adamant requires the conversion of adamant bars to make it? should we hold off on the adamant gronti to see if we can make a next level gromril gronti?
 
I doubt the next level of Adamant will viable for large projects.

Heck. Adamant itself is barely viable.
 
tri2 said:
I wonder, what if the next level of adamant requires the conversion of adamant bars to make it? should we hold off on the adamant gronti to see if we can make a next level gromril gronti?
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This is the main complaint about the super gronti idea. Mainly continuously putting it off to add more and more things which will guarantee it never gets done. We really need to stop with this line of thinking and just try to work with what we have.

The only reason that people would least want to finish the current step before starting work on it is to have more effective ways to power the thing since we want it to run as long a possible. Also learn more about Deep Magic.
 
Zale said:
I mean you are missing a fundamental piece that has been part of many other creations that has been made in the quest. The written story on the item.

Whenever Snorri creates a piece he puts interacted stories and details on those items. We have seen this happen many times. With all the surface space on the Grimninator, it gives plenty of space to tell a fuller story of Grimnir. It can be a living piece of history that shows the epic of Grimnir. We don't need to explicitly state to do that in a vote, Snorri automatically does it on the items he creates. It can be a walking constant reminder of the wholeness of Grimnir instead of the hyper focusing on the end of his epic.

I don't expect it would influence the whole dwarven realm, but I could easily see it influencing those who have more contact and study of it. The throngs that march with it, so mostly northern dwarves.
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I went looking for quotes on the Temple Commissions that might mention detail work being done on them and I can't find anything about automatic story inscription.

soulcake said:
You begin working on the final parts of the Valayan commission with the deadline looming in the back of your mind like a particularly unpleasant pebble in your boot. While the basket was a treasure trove of ideas and potential, it did not offer anything that could be used for the commission. You had held out hope, but you suppose that believing a basket would have some new Armour Rune for you to use on some commission accepted centuries later was too much to ask for. As for the work itself, well it's actually rather relaxing frankly. For you, a suit of properly fitted armour was the work of weeks, rather than months, and with Zharrgal and Barak Azamar removing imperfections and removing the need for sleep respectively, the actual hours you spent working could be fit into a matter of days. Because of that, inscribing the Runes became the longest part of the process, and you could only do so much to cut down on that.
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soulcake said:
You hammer at a plate of glowing metal, the swings of Zharrgal are fast enough that they leave streaks of embers and light in the air. At your current pace, you'll be done with the commission for the cult of Gazul in a few years' time. A bit slow for your taste, but you had other commitments to consider after all. On most occasions you'd be stuck in the hall you've excavated solely to facilitate your instruction, watching as Master Runesmiths bumbled about and slowly learned the proper way to make your Runes. The traffic your home already experienced had only grown after Rhunkalbrogg, and the number of Runesmiths who came to your home had increased by a full third. Though that number seemed small, it failed to account for the fact that the number of the Dwarfs who came to learn the Rune of Forged Limb almost always wanted to learn the Runes necessary for the Chainforger. Right now however there was a bit of a lull, a purposeful and regular gap in your teaching schedule that let you carry out your other work without fear of missing a deadline.
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Regardless, I think @bird yells manages to hit the point. If you want the Gronti to have a tale that discourages the Slayer Cult, first you have to pick a story that'd do that and that is extremely difficult to do and requires you specify in its write up, and second you have to get through what is a really valid and powerful reluctance on Snorri's part to meddle in a cult he is definitely not a priest of.
 
I can't make up my mind about the anti-magic stick or the megabanner. I think the banner is winning, so hopefully it helps deal with the punting problem that we've had to deal with every time we fought something that outsized us. Anywho,

[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about this new elf colony

Get better at our bread and butter. And I really like all the narrative stuff that we get whenever we dig into the weeds of esoteric research, so more of that please.

Eh, you know what, someone did a gronti vote so let's just YOLOSWAG on that.

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.
 
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[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
 
FunkyEntropy said:
I can't make up my mind about the anti-magic stick or the megabanner. I think the banner is winning, so hopefully it helps deal with the punting problem that we've had to deal with every time we fought something that outsized us. Anywho,

[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
[X] [Letters]: Knowledge about this new elf colony

Get better at our bread and butter. And I really like all the narrative stuff that we get whenever we dig into the weeds of esoteric research, so more of that please.
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Most of the Punting at this point is when we lose rolls, its a reasonable thing for Soul to write happen to Snorri since he's so hard to hurt in other ways and its kinda comical even still. So really anything that gives Bigger Number, cloak or not, helps.
 
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[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
 
Verdom said:
Skarrenbakraz will include Brana in the carvings right? Hopefully.
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I had considered this and included Brana feathers as edging on the cloak and a tribute to them, as well as their storm, but I've decided to make it explicit that the 'people' in its description are Brana and dwarves.
 
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Magic Killer Amulet.

Gambling with one-of-a-kind T5 ingredient based on a guess, no matter how well-educated, is not something I want to do. Probably too late to avert the landslide, but I have to try...
 
WIth the banner winning I'm happy to put the gronti on the backburner again until movement is done. The banner sounds like we're going to get something that's almost like a Master Rune of Hurricanes.
 
Byzantine said:
Politically we could probably do Snorri Whitebeard, after Grungi goes poof, since High King. And maybe our home. Everywhere else could be… problematic.
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Making a gift for the new High King feels presumptuous unless we're simply one of many as well Snorri is good at what he does he's still laughably far off from being that good.
 
Red Bovine said:
Yeah, extremely unhappy that it was even possible to use any item yet alone a one of a kind ingredient without any research or idea what it could do.
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The fact that we still don't fully know what the brain does dozens of turns after getting it is an accident that should never be repeated.

So the most important thing we can do as questors after this is not leave high level reagents sitting around unresearched. We should commit to researching stuff within a couple turns of getting anything that's, say, T4. Maybe a dozen turns for T3. The more valuable an item is the higher we should prioritize researching it.

Edit: and I'm glad that @soulcake just up and had us look at the fimir corpse without needing to debate about when to do it. Narratively it gives it a huge sense of weight because it means that Snorri saw it as critical. And making it a group project was a really nice touch as well. Harkens back to the herd of cats collective action back at the start of the quest when Snorri was helping with gearing and building the Hold.
 
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Sir LagsAlot said:
Making a gift for the new High King feels presumptuous unless we're simply one of many as well Snorri is good at what he does he's still laughably far off from being that good.
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I mean, is it that presumptuous? We're one of the older members of the House, the most senior Runelord in the north, pretty active and well known, a favorite artisan of the Cults, the man who solved the Gromril chain problem.

I don't think making a gift for a new High King would be out of order for us at this point. Especially when the thing we're most famous for is making gifts.

Like, Snorri is definitely one of the best Runesmiths in the Karaz Ankor, he's just really modest about it.
 
meta reason for giant indestructible gronti, orc lure, time of woes just have the gronti charge into largest mass of orcs and just drag every living orc in existence to it from its sheer killiness as it mulches everything the orcs throw at it. leaving the rest of karak ankor untouched as they find a better fight.
 
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