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Assuming that's not just straight up Isha
A Song Of Peace: Imperial Regent Quest [40k]
- Thread starter Swordomatic
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- hololive warhammer 40k (warhammer) science fiction crossover female protagonist beta-chan quest church of hope dokia breaks the world e10 forever 18 in the grim dark future there is only dokahorse little brother collection quest panda quest sui-chan wa kyou mou kawaii unangries your angron you must construct additional siblings
So what I'm hearing is that we need to beat up Nurgle, take his lunch money (and Isha) and throw in a few swirlies for good measure?
I'm down, when do we start?
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- The Netherlands
there is a difference between what this thread is about and the morality debates. People talking about what we can change is also different from the morality debates. the morality debates weren't talking about what needed to change they were just argueing about how evil the imperium is.>gets in quest about a character that is objectively about compassion,self sacrifice and seing the imperium as evil and trying to improve it
>be surprised when people begin to discuss what needs to change and what is necesary to the imperium survival
man i mean.....what where you expecting?
[X][LEVIATHAN] The Forge World of Antioch
[X][POSTURE] Call upon your Deva and direct them to the most important battlefields.
[X][POSTURE] Call upon your Deva and direct them to the most important battlefields.
This is what we call suicide.
There are only a few things the ruinous 4 will go all out for. A successful rescue of Isha? That is one of Nurgle's.
We arent ready for a direct fight with Nurgle.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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- At large
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- He/Him
Oh shit, I just realized I forgot to ever actually add the footnote that was supposed to accompany this. In a nutshell, while Lily may have said "just call them Living Saints" from cynicism, that's actually kind of technically not wrong? I mean, Celestine's basically just the Imperial Cult's version of a Daemon Prince (though, uh, nobody try to tell them that, please). So calling our own Devas "Living Saints" is actually more accurate than not, really - they're just Pandora's Living Saints rather than E-Money's.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Which is why we should not fight him. Instead, we must assemble a crack team for a heist.
Starring: Cegorach as the mastermind, who always gets the last laugh. Pandora as the legendary Warp-infiltrator. Lily as the time-bending getaway driver. Eldrad providing the distraction for the Chaos Gods in the form of Ynnead, or more specifically their birth. And the Chaos, shitting its pants when it realizes that besides having to deal with the little Anathema wrecking their plans in the Materium, the Aeldari Gods are suddenly a thing again beyond just Cegorach.
And you know, the funny thing about being already on the top of their shit-lists means that there isn't much more for them to go even more all out. Having additional Gods in our corner should more than balance this out, not to mention how this would probably instantly get a significant chunk of the Aeldari on our side.
[x] [LEVIATHAN] The Forge World of Antioch
[x] [POSTURE] Call upon your Deva and direct them to the most important battlefields.
[x] [POSTURE] Call upon your Deva and direct them to the most important battlefields.
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
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- Cold snow fields of Finland
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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- Neverland
This is probably from left field but I got to ask @Swordomatic is Lord Creed of Cadia dead or alive? Cause he would be a boon to have alive and if not I would be sad.
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- Singapore
He got Trazyn'd.
It's unfortunate, too. He actually quite liked Panda.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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- Neverland
Well now Trazyn not only took Cawl but my boy Creed that can't stand at all! Is there anyway for us to rescue one or both of them? Or are they out of the game for good?
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- Singapore
Nothing is impossible. That being said, it is still basically impossible.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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- Neverland
Well now that makes me sad I always liked Creed... oh well I suppose I can hope, after all it can be said this quest is about doing the impossible. And worst comes to worst I can settle with Guillieman.
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- National Capital Region, USA
[X][LEVIATHAN] The Shrine World of Seraphax
[X][POSTURE] Call upon your Deva and direct them to the most important battlefields.
Aiding Seraphax would free up a lot of forces for us then take to help both Baal and Antioch, possibly at the same time. "Hundreds of millions of Imperial Guard, several hundred thousand Sisters of Battle from every known Order Majoris - but in particular the Order of our Martyred Lady - and ten thousand Blood Angels, pledged to defend the tens of billions of lives cloistered upon the holy world" is a LOT of manpower to use to help out the other two. Antioch cannot give us nearly the same.
[X][POSTURE] Call upon your Deva and direct them to the most important battlefields.
Aiding Seraphax would free up a lot of forces for us then take to help both Baal and Antioch, possibly at the same time. "Hundreds of millions of Imperial Guard, several hundred thousand Sisters of Battle from every known Order Majoris - but in particular the Order of our Martyred Lady - and ten thousand Blood Angels, pledged to defend the tens of billions of lives cloistered upon the holy world" is a LOT of manpower to use to help out the other two. Antioch cannot give us nearly the same.
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- Moscow
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- He
Speaking about the reforms of the Adeptus Ministorum, we will stick to the official names, we should realize that this is a giant that will have to be eaten in parts. Let's make up for further discussion a basic outline of what it consists of, what its influence is, and what its centers of power are.
- Ecclesiarch is the lifetime head of the organization. And by doing so, he greatly restricts the possibilities for removing it, except for killing it, directly or indirectly, if we do not agree with him. But compared to most High Lords, it is quite easily replaceable for the reason below.
- The Cardinals are a core part of Holy Synod, and our primary resource to work with. They are rich, powerful, and have a lot of power to work with each other, because for all the conservatism of the Imperium, parliament is a place for discussion. Also, unlike many organizations, they can drown Ecclesiarch decisions in endless bureaucracy, for Ecclesiarch after the Torah reforms is run only by Sororitas.
- Adepta Sororitas has already been mentioned here, but I would like to remind you that just as with the Imperial Navy, people forget that there are 10 civilians for 1 warship in the Imperium, so for every Order of the Militant there will be a non-combat Order, dealing from the genealogy of nobles to the work of the coroner or the provision of choirs of churches. They are an important factor of influence for us and here we could probably introduce some split in the Order reporting system due to the fact that the Convention Prioris located on Terra and the Convention Sanctorum based on Ophelia VII essentially duplicate each other. We could either start a precedent of reform, or on the contrary, create a third center of power.
Now let's talk about the important things Adeptus Ministorum that were not mentioned here:
- Creed Temporary is the financial and logistics hub for working with this part of the Eclysearchy. The Adeptus Ministorum has the wealth level of a "planet", and the best example is that on Terra, real estate on which is worth more than the wealth of entire sectors, they have an entire continent. They have land, incense and candle factories, synth-parchment factories, and so on. They are not only the flock, but also the means of its maintenance. You don't make a pilgrimage without ships and supplies.
- Missionarus Galaxia is an unfairly forgotten part of the Adeptus Ministorum, because in the version "what you do when you meet a world that worships other gods - talk to them first" they do it. These are professional diplomats and preachers, whose main task is to understand foreign cultures, analyze, isolate "inconvenient" elements and turn them into something suitable for the Imperium on new worlds that already have people. If you need reformatory initiative smart personnel-you go there. Have non-combat Battle sisters in cooperation.
- Schola Progenium - again, if you want reform, it would be quite logical to start with school reform. Countless officers, stormtroopers, ship crewmen, and commissars are eventually graduated by name from this branch of the Adeptus Ministorum. Changing, at least partially, the structure of their training would help us get the cadres we are looking for.
Finally, the parts that do not relate to the activities of the Eclysearch and the cardinals:
- The Departmento of Final Consideration is the body responsible for sending aid to various worlds. Let's just say that some cleaning and improving its efficiency would be desirable. How fortunate that his headquarters are on Terra. Part of the Adeptus Administratum.
- Tithes Chamber Notaries is a part of the Adeptus Administratum dedicated to figuring out the limits of mutation, highlighting Abhuman, humans, and mutants for most worlds. With all the "don't burn people for having wool", the issue of mutations in Warhammer has many issues that could be solved by the reformation of this part of the Administratum.
EDIT: I also remembered that the issues of the "Hundred Living Saints" will clearly be dealt with by the Inquisition, in particular both the two parts of the "Great Trinity" of the Ordos, Heresy and Maleus, and the individual structures most likely of the canonical ones in which is the Ordo Obsuletus, busy confirming that the miracles of faith in each particular case are not acting, magic or xenos artifacts. For all the belief that "Tell these people anything and they will eat", the Imperum, by virtue of its organization, has structures that will constantly doubt even the most truthful information purely by virtue of their work.
- Ecclesiarch is the lifetime head of the organization. And by doing so, he greatly restricts the possibilities for removing it, except for killing it, directly or indirectly, if we do not agree with him. But compared to most High Lords, it is quite easily replaceable for the reason below.
- The Cardinals are a core part of Holy Synod, and our primary resource to work with. They are rich, powerful, and have a lot of power to work with each other, because for all the conservatism of the Imperium, parliament is a place for discussion. Also, unlike many organizations, they can drown Ecclesiarch decisions in endless bureaucracy, for Ecclesiarch after the Torah reforms is run only by Sororitas.
- Adepta Sororitas has already been mentioned here, but I would like to remind you that just as with the Imperial Navy, people forget that there are 10 civilians for 1 warship in the Imperium, so for every Order of the Militant there will be a non-combat Order, dealing from the genealogy of nobles to the work of the coroner or the provision of choirs of churches. They are an important factor of influence for us and here we could probably introduce some split in the Order reporting system due to the fact that the Convention Prioris located on Terra and the Convention Sanctorum based on Ophelia VII essentially duplicate each other. We could either start a precedent of reform, or on the contrary, create a third center of power.
Now let's talk about the important things Adeptus Ministorum that were not mentioned here:
- Creed Temporary is the financial and logistics hub for working with this part of the Eclysearchy. The Adeptus Ministorum has the wealth level of a "planet", and the best example is that on Terra, real estate on which is worth more than the wealth of entire sectors, they have an entire continent. They have land, incense and candle factories, synth-parchment factories, and so on. They are not only the flock, but also the means of its maintenance. You don't make a pilgrimage without ships and supplies.
- Missionarus Galaxia is an unfairly forgotten part of the Adeptus Ministorum, because in the version "what you do when you meet a world that worships other gods - talk to them first" they do it. These are professional diplomats and preachers, whose main task is to understand foreign cultures, analyze, isolate "inconvenient" elements and turn them into something suitable for the Imperium on new worlds that already have people. If you need reformatory initiative smart personnel-you go there. Have non-combat Battle sisters in cooperation.
- Schola Progenium - again, if you want reform, it would be quite logical to start with school reform. Countless officers, stormtroopers, ship crewmen, and commissars are eventually graduated by name from this branch of the Adeptus Ministorum. Changing, at least partially, the structure of their training would help us get the cadres we are looking for.
Finally, the parts that do not relate to the activities of the Eclysearch and the cardinals:
- The Departmento of Final Consideration is the body responsible for sending aid to various worlds. Let's just say that some cleaning and improving its efficiency would be desirable. How fortunate that his headquarters are on Terra. Part of the Adeptus Administratum.
- Tithes Chamber Notaries is a part of the Adeptus Administratum dedicated to figuring out the limits of mutation, highlighting Abhuman, humans, and mutants for most worlds. With all the "don't burn people for having wool", the issue of mutations in Warhammer has many issues that could be solved by the reformation of this part of the Administratum.
EDIT: I also remembered that the issues of the "Hundred Living Saints" will clearly be dealt with by the Inquisition, in particular both the two parts of the "Great Trinity" of the Ordos, Heresy and Maleus, and the individual structures most likely of the canonical ones in which is the Ordo Obsuletus, busy confirming that the miracles of faith in each particular case are not acting, magic or xenos artifacts. For all the belief that "Tell these people anything and they will eat", the Imperum, by virtue of its organization, has structures that will constantly doubt even the most truthful information purely by virtue of their work.
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- Eugene OR US
Laugh out loud, oh wait your serious let me laugh even harder.
This in my view is a terrible idea.
Given how the Eldar have spent a lot of effort fucking with the Imperium via a bunch of divination tricks its more that the Eldar are willing to harm the Imperium and have been doing so for a long long time.
The fact that every single time the Eldar can't be trusted to keep to a real alliance and will back stab the Imperium and that every single former alliance is a manipulation of the Imperium for their foul xeno goal is not a reason to trust them.
Their is a big difference between harmless alien species that want to live in peace vs a genocidal race whose national pastimes are enslaving humans to torture them to death (Drukhari), genocide humans (Biel-Tan and the other warmongers), piracy (corsairs) or divination sabotage (Every other craftworld).
So the Elder are bring another Goddess into existence, lets take a quick look at the past so we can learn from the past mistakes in history.
Lets see the last Elder goddess the Elder made was Slaanesh. Surely letting them doing it again is totally not going to blow up in everyone's face. And its not like dad has anything against the Elder making Gods or Goddess.
Finally and most importantly the Necrons hate the Elder and we need an alliance with the Necrons in order to close the eye of terror and the warp gate under our palace.
Close the Eye of Terror vs make friends with xeno filth that has been trying very hard to destroy us for a long long time.
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The xenophobia of the Imperium is not a how-to guide to take cues from.
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Congratulations you are perfectly in character as a conservative inquisitor. Now ask yourself how many of the humans the Craftsworlds have dealt with over the years would not have killed every last one of said 'xenos' if only they could?
The IoM is its own self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to alien species, because you are right, they can see the future, which means they too can see the inevitable betrayal by imperial authorities coming. Step one in an alliance with the Eldar is not to plot their annihilation from the word go. It's the little things you know.
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Okay. Here are my thoughts.
We do need to do something about Xeno-diplomancy, if for no other reason than to better focus the Imperium on more important threats.
The problem is choosing who.
The T'au are a regional power, by most accounts benevolent, and most importantly, largely unified in law, purpose, and disposition.
Basically, they're too small to be a real threat, we can assume they're willing to come to and abide by diplomatic solutions, and any agreement made will mean something.
The stumbling block is that they are (last I checked) currently invading and conquering Imperial territory.
So, lots of potential landmines there.
The Eldar.
The Exodites (Luddite Eldar) are a complete no brainer to make peace with, but are completely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
The Anhrathe (Corsairs/Outcasts) are pirates and mercenaries. Diplomatic relations don't apply. The best we can do is treat them as human criminals if caught as a peace offering to the other Eldar factions. Though they would probably demand extradition.
The Drukhari (Dark Eldar) are literally Evil and the only conceivable peace terms are their unconditional surrender.
The Asuryani (Craftworld Eldar) are actually a collection of independent polities. Their national attitudes towards humans vary, but all of them see humans as talking animals dancing among the ruins of Eldar civilization. The differences come down to whether they are spiteful, depressed, or practical. Peaceful diplomatic relations with some Craftworlds are theoretically possible, but deciding who to trust would be very, very hard.
Harlequins are the agents of the Eldar trickster god. And good luck trying to predict his goals on any situation. Presumably, he's very anti-Chaos, and presumably he wants whats best for the Eldar in the long run, tough love applied.
Ynarri are the Eldar Death Cult. Made up of members of every other group, they seek to bring about the birth of the Eldar God of death. On one hand, she will be explicitly anti-Chaos. On the other hand, she will be explicitly anti-everyone the Eldar don't like.
The Necrons.
Unfortunately, I know less about the various dynasties then I do the general Eldar factions.
The Necron dynasties are nominally unified, but in practice are all over the place. Some are literally insane. Some want to eat all life in the universe. Some want to become biological again. Some want to conquer the galaxy. Some want to rebuild their own little dominions. Some want to be left alone. Etc. Etc.
So, like the Craftworld Eldar, diplomatic relations are theoretically possible, but good luck choosing who to trust.
We do need to do something about Xeno-diplomancy, if for no other reason than to better focus the Imperium on more important threats.
The problem is choosing who.
The T'au are a regional power, by most accounts benevolent, and most importantly, largely unified in law, purpose, and disposition.
Basically, they're too small to be a real threat, we can assume they're willing to come to and abide by diplomatic solutions, and any agreement made will mean something.
The stumbling block is that they are (last I checked) currently invading and conquering Imperial territory.
So, lots of potential landmines there.
The Eldar.
The Exodites (Luddite Eldar) are a complete no brainer to make peace with, but are completely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
The Anhrathe (Corsairs/Outcasts) are pirates and mercenaries. Diplomatic relations don't apply. The best we can do is treat them as human criminals if caught as a peace offering to the other Eldar factions. Though they would probably demand extradition.
The Drukhari (Dark Eldar) are literally Evil and the only conceivable peace terms are their unconditional surrender.
The Asuryani (Craftworld Eldar) are actually a collection of independent polities. Their national attitudes towards humans vary, but all of them see humans as talking animals dancing among the ruins of Eldar civilization. The differences come down to whether they are spiteful, depressed, or practical. Peaceful diplomatic relations with some Craftworlds are theoretically possible, but deciding who to trust would be very, very hard.
Harlequins are the agents of the Eldar trickster god. And good luck trying to predict his goals on any situation. Presumably, he's very anti-Chaos, and presumably he wants whats best for the Eldar in the long run, tough love applied.
Ynarri are the Eldar Death Cult. Made up of members of every other group, they seek to bring about the birth of the Eldar God of death. On one hand, she will be explicitly anti-Chaos. On the other hand, she will be explicitly anti-everyone the Eldar don't like.
The Necrons.
Unfortunately, I know less about the various dynasties then I do the general Eldar factions.
The Necron dynasties are nominally unified, but in practice are all over the place. Some are literally insane. Some want to eat all life in the universe. Some want to become biological again. Some want to conquer the galaxy. Some want to rebuild their own little dominions. Some want to be left alone. Etc. Etc.
So, like the Craftworld Eldar, diplomatic relations are theoretically possible, but good luck choosing who to trust.