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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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[X] Plan: Optimisim
-[X] Odd Places 9/10: [Cost: 1 action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. Look on Master Yorri's map and try and discover one of his marked locations. The locations will certainly be odd, but whether they'll be useful will remain to be seen. 1 action
-[X] [Simple] Defence. In. The. Depths: [Cost: 6 actions] Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain security. CAVES. HOLES. LIABILITIES BENEATH YOUR VERY HOME! It cannot stand, this glaring weakness in your armour that you somehow missed. Shameful! Absolutely shameful! This fault cannot stand, you will not allow it! You'll need walls, traps, all sorts of devious work done to secure your proverbial bottom, only after this is done can you even begin to think about doing something with all of this soon to be reclaimed space.
--[X] Retainer Expertise: [Cost 1 retainer action] Gain 1 progress. Cannot finish request. You have a troupe of Dwarfs perfectly suited towards securing such a space serving you. Put them to use, though they cannot apply the final Runic defenses, they can most definitely finish almost all of it. 2 retainer actions
=[X] [Simple] Armoured Maidens: [Cost: (12 -6) =6 actions] Due end of Turn 40. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 70 Favour and 1 Standing with the Cult of Valaya. The Clergy of Valaya are making plans to expand the Valkyrie Guard in preparation for what they believe is a coming wave of colonization across the Karaz Ankor in the future. Given your history with the Cult, they've come to you wondering if you had the inclination to create armour for some of the future Valkyrie Guard that will no doubt come from the endeavour. The number is not the sum total of suits, but ones specially made for their eldest and most veteran Matrons. The foundational core of the future Valkyrie Guard in these future-Holds. The Cult will hold the suits in their vaults until such a time they are needed. 3 actions

In order to finish the armoured maidens in time, they are going to need actions this turn.
buddy I'm afraid that the valaya action needs 4 actions to complete iirc we gain a max of +2 by using 3 actions which makes 5 +1 action makes 6, so 4 actions = 6
 
Hey, @soulcake .

We currently have dozens of master runesmiths hanging out in our workshop to learn the Rune of Forged Limb directly from Snorri himself. Gromril Chain/Chainforger is a waaaaay bigger deal than forged limb. Even if Snorri releases the Chainforger blueprints at runkalbrogg, it seems many runesmiths will come North to learn from the source anyway. Therefore, a few questions.

I kind of disagree on whether or not the chainforger is a bigger deal, sure it's more spiritually relevant I'll give you that, but the rune of forged limb gives dwarves back their purposes and lives... both will get fanatics coming to his door, but only the rune of forged limb will get desperate fanatics.
 
Again.
I am not taking umbrage at calling it a hyperbole.
Call it whatever yo want (so long as we all try to remain respectful of each other).
I was calling you out for the whole "No need for..."
That to me sounds an awful lot like you are calling @TempestK opinion irrelevant because you consider it a hyperbole.
While using hyperbole yourself.
If you cannot see the inherent hypocrisy therein, I don't know what to say.
Now, I am specifically not calling you a hypocrite or anything of the nature.
I am just pointing how it looks to me, and ME specifically.
And, While I am pretty weird myself, I doubt I am unique in perceiving it in such a matter.

And, with that said, I am done with this topic whatever anyone else has to say.
I've said my bit and that's it from me. Any more, and I'd consider myself to be engaged in derailment since at this point I am not discussing the topic of the quest itself.
A fine morning/day/evening/night to all of you fine folks, and all the best.
Except I didn't say "no need for" I literally just called it hyperbole and moved on you have an issue with TehCron with regards to that and to bring back up your original post you eminently seem to have a problem with people calling what he said hyperbole.
And claiming that this commission would be the Axe of Dargo is not a hyperbole?
I mean, for all we know, Dargo could be as common a name with Davi as George is with the english.
And, since we do know how the canonical az would have been constructed, trying to play up on the canonical legendary weapon feels mighty disingenuous to me.
Mind, I am not accusing anyone of anything, except perhaps for an overabundance of enthusiasm and zeal, which are by no mean bad things.
I'm just saying, @TempestK is just as entitled to their own opinion and attitude as everyone else involved in the quest, and from my PoV, everyone is already using hyperbole, so why should they be singled out?
There was no mention of any of this "no need for" stuff (that seems to be you moving the goal post) just that you have a problem with people calling what he said hyperbole because you think it was people singling him out.

You also said that what he (TehCron) said was disingenuous in your opinion and then said you aren't accusing anyone of anything which if you're going to call someone out on something at least own up to doing it I personally don't have a problem with you doing so but don't try to call someone out and then try to weasel out of the consequences of doing so the very next sentence. And, you did this again in your most recent post calling my statements hypocritical but then saying you're not accusing me of being a hypocrite.
 
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[X] Prepare for the Grave
-[X] Render Aid:
-- [X] Elderly Expertise: 1 Retainer Action
-[X] [Simple] Defence. In. The. Depths: 1 Action
-- [X] Expedite: x4
-- [X] Retainer Expertise: 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Wardstones: 3 Actions
-[X] ORDER: A T4 Pegasus Heart, or Equivalent
-- [X] Kingly Expedite: x2

I think for the Counter to combine our votes we need to put the word Plan in there.
like so
[X] Plan Prepare for the Grave
-[X] Render Aid:
-- [X] Elderly Expertise: 1 Retainer Action
-[X] [Simple] Defence. In. The. Depths: 1 Action
-- [X] Expedite: x4
-- [X] Retainer Expertise: 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Wardstones: 3 Actions
-[X] ORDER: A T4 Pegasus Heart, or Equivalent
-- [X] Kingly Expedite: x2
 
Why are people voting for plan basket? do do understand that they're voting for a research option and that it will make us fail our commitments yeah?
 
As I said last time, basket this turn for me. Just in case it helps the commission.

[X] Plan Basket, plus prepare the defenses
 
[X] Plan Wardstones + Secure Defences
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. You formed these Hearthguard to combat all the ills that befall the dwarfen people. Send them out, render aid, earn goodwill and spread the word of your retainers and their stated mission beyond the borders of Kraka Drakk.
--[X] Elderly Expertise: Gain 40 Favour +? With Stormpeak. 1 retainer action
-[X] [Simple] Defence. In. The. Depths: [Cost: 6 actions] Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain security. 1 action.
--[X] Expedite: [Cost 15 Favours with Kraka Drakk] Gain 1 progress. Cannot finish request. Can be taken x4 times and without actions. 60 Favors
--[X] Retainer Expertise: [Cost 1 retainer action] Gain 1 progress. Cannot finish request. 1 retainer action
-[X] Wardstones: [Cost: 5 actions] Journeyman of the Odd will proc. These Wardstones, the last creations of the Runesmiths of Karag Dum before they were wiped out, are capable of concealing the presence of a Dawi from the scrying of enemy magic. From Valka's testimony it wasn't perfect, but it made survival possible instead of impossible. That, and given the state of their resources, is a testament to their skill and canniness. A bit too quick to put to use in any other circumstance, uncovering the secrets of this Rune shouldn't be too difficult 3 actions.
-[X] ORDER: A T4 Pegasus Heart, or Equivalent

It doesn't sit right with me to leave the defenses unfinished for, uh, multiple decades. So instead, 3 actions gets us an understanding of the Wardstones for their very useful protection-against-scrying effects, (and whatever other secrets they have,) and 1 action finishes Defence. In. The. Depths. now instead of letting that problem fester.
 
[X] Plan Basket, plus prepare the defenses

I voted for this last turn, but the circumstances were a bit different. Soul confirmed that research done before the commission was completed would contribute, and even if Yorri showed up there was the chance to use Prods to complete the Basket research anyway. So, while it was fun trying to take the vote to the moon, which plan won wasn't that important. Now, though, it's last call on this research. Let's get it done.
 
I am a Prince of Ulthuan, fear plays no place in my heart nor has any say in what I do or do not do. You have yourself a bargain and I swear upon my honour to uphold it! I shall see you at the decade's turn!" the elf replies before getting up and marching outside, his retinue not far behind.
Don't let me down, Chracian.
 
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