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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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[X] Plan A Good Gift and Some Understanding

Very curious to see how this Understanding process turns out. I'd always thought that completing it would give you all of the variants, though.
 
[X] Plan A Good Gift and Some Understanding
Not much to say that I haven't already said before the update happened, since it seems so popular lets poke a master rune.

BungieONI said:
I like @Jreengus's idea of grabbing the Almanacs now but I don't think we can unless we put an action into it so I'm leaving that off.
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We should be able to grab almost all of the almanacs without any actions which would hopefully let Nightfeather start translating for us if that's an option. The spend favour option says it can be taken without spending any actions. If we actually need to 100% the almanacs to start getting any benefits note that we can spend a retinue action rather than a Snorri action. We actually have two options there:
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[ ] An Alchemical Almanac or Four: [Cost: 3 actions and/or retainer actions]
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- [ ] Dumaraz: Gain Random Monster Mats, 10 Favour with Kraka Ravnsvake
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We can either spend a retainer action directly to finish it off, or if it's still available next turn we can send the retainers monster clearing and spend the favour from that to finish it.

It's probably too late to edit the action into your plan now so many people have voted for it we should definitely do this next turn, even if we want to do something else with the Hearth Guard we can still grab most of the books next turn and we should easily be able to finish it off once we get the extra retainer action at 120/120.
 
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Given the value and rarity of Adamant I would like that smelter done asap.

Research wise, more than anything else I want better prosthetics.
 
Jreengus said:
[X] Plan A Good Gift and Some Understanding
Not much to say that I haven't already said before the update happened, since it seems so popular lets poke a master rune.


We should be able to grab almost all of the almanacs without any actions which would hopefully let Nightfeather start translating for us if that's an option. The spend favour option says it can be taken without spending any actions. If we actually need to 100% the almanacs to start getting any benefits note that we can spend a retinue action rather than a Snorri action. We actually have two options there:

We can either spend a retainer action directly to finish it off, or if it's still available next turn we can send the retainers monster clearing and spend the favour from that to finish it.

It's probably too late to edit the action into your plan now so many people have voted for it we should definitely do this next turn, even if we want to do something else with the Hearth Guard we can still grab most of the books next turn and we should easily be able to finish it off once we get the extra retainer action at 120/120.
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I'm pretty sure we can't spend the favor from Local Expertise in order to be able to take the other favor options like All of It, as the rules around favor spending weren't designed with the idea of such self interaction in mind and specify that you need an action and not progress. Being able to theoretically do it with no actions at all would be weird, plus Nightfeather is likely unable to translate it, since the means by which Brana speak to the elves is via Ghur magic or at least was a little while ago.
 
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If I'm doing my math right we can do all the Eltharin things and still have 110 favor leftover with Kraka Ravnsvake at the end of next turn which if we took all the Almanac boosting actions and then used favor to add progress would only leave us 1 retainer action away from an exceptional alchemy specialty upon translation... Which could be done by the elven tutor we hire with the other fifty favors we'll be spending well we do all our commissions and the like after which we could still learn Eltharin from him.

Actually don't we need to spend one action on something to spend favors on it? So if we don't budget in the Eltharin tutor this turn that would actually be a pretty big missed opportunity although the action requirement is covered by the retainer action with regards to the Almanacs.
Enerael said:
Given the value and rarity of Adamant I would like that smelter done asap.

Research wise, more than anything else I want better prosthetics.
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Personally, I don't consider it worthwhile yet as we have pretty good adamant production and we have a good store plus we have a bunch of really important research commissions to do. But if you want to pencil it in here's what the current plan is projected to look like going into the future.

Actions		Turn 36 – Princely Wedding DueTurn 37 – Grave Wardens AcceptTurn 38Turn 39Turn 40 – Armoured Maidens DueTurn 41Turn 42 – Grave Wardens Due
AP 1Dronril, DronwutThe Rune Metal Pt. 2BUnderstand Valaya's RunesArmoured MaidensArmoured MaidensGrave WardensGrave Wardens
AP 2A Princely Wedding Pt. 2The Rune Metal Pt. 2BUnderstand Valaya's RunesArmoured MaidensArmoured MaidensGrave WardensGrave Wardens
AP 3A Princely Wedding Pt. 2The Rune Metal Pt. 2BUnderstand Valaya's RunesArmoured MaidensArmoured MaidensGrave WardensGrave Wardens
AP 4Master Rune of Purification (provisional)The Rune Metal Pt. 2BUnderstand Valaya's RunesArmoured MaidensArmoured MaidensGrave Wardens
AP 5Hold FoundingHold FoundingHold FoundingHold FoundingHold FoundingGrave Wardens
 
BungieONI said:
I'm pretty sure we can't spend the favor from Local Expertise in order to be able to take the other favor options like All of It, as the rules around favor spending weren't designed with the idea of such self interaction in mind and specify that you need an action and not progress. Being able to theoretically do it with no actions at all would be weird, plus Nightfeather is likely unable to translate it, since the means by which Brana speak to the elves is via Ghur magic or at least was a little while ago.
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I'm not sure what you mean here.

The way I see it we take the base action:
soulcake said:
[ ] An Alchemical Almanac or Four: [Cost: 3 actions and/or retainer actions]
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Which puts us at 0/3, then we add comprehensive knowledge:
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- [ ] Comprehensive Knowledge: [Cost: +3 actions and/or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake]
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Which costs 20 favour and puts us at 0/6 then we add all of it:
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- [ ] All of it, ALL OF IT: [Cost: +2 actions and or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake]
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Which costs another 20 favour (40 total) and then puts us at 0/8. At this point spend favour to get those actions. I'm not sure what you mean by self interaction, it's essentially Snorri throwing his weight of debts around rather than going there and searching out the texts personally or sending his Hearth Guard to search out the texts. I also don't see why we would need to spend any personal actions to get those texts, presumably if we spend 80 favour (120 total) they will just be delivered to our workshop, but just to check:

@soulcake if we take the alchemical almanacs action and all of the add ons can we then just spend 80 favour to complete it without any actions? If no what's the most favour we can spend?

Sir LagsAlot said:
Actually don't we need to spend one action on something to spend favors on it?
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The almanac favour option explicitly says we don't need to spend actions to take it.
 
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Jreengus said:
The almanac favour option explicitly says we don't need to spend actions to take it.
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If you had read further you'd have noted I explicitly mentioned and was talking about the Eltherin tutor action so that we could get someone to translate the books for us well we were busy doing commissions for the next while and explicitly noted that even if it was a problem for the Almanac action that it would be covered by the final retainer action we'd have to dedicate anyways.
 
Jreengus said:
I'm not sure what you mean here.

The way I see it we take the base action:

Which puts us at 0/3, then we add comprehensive knowledge:

Which costs 20 favour and puts us at 0/6 then we add all of it:

Which costs another 20 favour (20 total) and then puts us at 0/8. At this point spend favour to get those actions. I'm not sure what you mean by self interaction, it's essentially Snorri throwing his weight of debts around rather than going there and searching out the texts personally or sending his Hearth Guard to search out the texts. I also don't see why we would need to spend any personal actions to get those texts, presumably if we spend 80 favour they will just be delivered to our workshop, but just to check:

@soulcake if we take the alchemical almanacs action and all of the add ons can we then just spend 80 favour to complete it without any actions? If no what's the most favour we can spend?


The almanac favour option explicitly says we don't need to spend actions to take it.
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Okay so the rules for favor expenditure state that if something does not mention that actions are not required, then the default is that actions are required. Comprehensive and All of It are favor expenditures which do not state that no actions are required and so we can't actually take either of them without spending at least one actual action on An Alchemical Almanac or Four, is my assumption.

The self-interaction is Local Expertise being able to provide the actions for the above favor expenditures, which I don't think is the intended design use since Soul has been pretty careful to make it so that we have to spend actions on research even if we can reduce it to the minimum with favor. We could order them and it'd make logical sense to have a giant wad of books land on our doorstep, but I'm not sure that game balance and considerations actually allow that.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
Personally, I don't consider it worthwhile yet as we have pretty good adamant production and we have a good store plus we have a bunch of really important research commissions to do. But if you want to pencil it in here's what the current plan is projected to look like going into the future.
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I doubt that one can have too much adamant but ok.

Looking at the plan I am concerned that it is doing the comissions at the last moment possible, that seems unwise and restricting.

Research wise I would very much prefer prosthetic eyes or ears. Getting Adamant chain or Valyas runes sooner does not I think compare to so many dawi having their senses back decades sooner.
 
BungieONI said:
Okay so the rules for favor expenditure state that if something does not mention that actions are not required, then the default is that actions are required. Comprehensive and All of It are favor expenditures which do not state that no actions are required and so we can't actually take either of them without spending at least one actual action on An Alchemical Almanac or Four, is my assumption.

The self-interaction is Local Expertise being able to provide the actions for the above favor expenditures, which I don't think is the intended design use since Soul has been pretty careful to make it so that we have to spend actions on research even if we can reduce it to the minimum with favor. We could order them and it'd make logical sense to have a giant wad of books land on our doorstep, but I'm not sure that game balance and considerations actually allow that.
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Ok, that makes more sense to me. If we can't do it entirely with favour I don't see any reason not to just spend the max amount of favour we can and then put 1 retainer action into it each turn once we have 2 free retainer actions per turn.
 
So I did not see much mention of this but it's clear now that Brana are like dragons not like elves, they take on the qualities of a wind as hatchlings or eggs and are bound to it ever after, hence most of them are Azyr because that is where they live, some of them are Ghur because of how they live and the new egg is Chammon because of growing near the rational-thinking dwarfs and metal. Do you guys think they will try to attune chicks to the other winds as well? The Red wind should be pretty easy, just stick the egg near a bunch of Heartshones and hearths, but the others are harder:

Amethyst would be graves and battlefields, not really a safe place to put eggs.
White would be meditation and light... maybe a particularly sunny patch of ground.
Green... we do have fields outside they could stick a nest in?
 
BungieONI said:
Okay so the rules for favor expenditure state that if something does not mention that actions are not required, then the default is that actions are required. Comprehensive and All of It are favor expenditures which do not state that no actions are required and so we can't actually take either of them without spending at least one actual action on An Alchemical Almanac or Four, is my assumption.

The self-interaction is Local Expertise being able to provide the actions for the above favor expenditures, which I don't think is the intended design use since Soul has been pretty careful to make it so that we have to spend actions on research even if we can reduce it to the minimum with favor. We could order them and it'd make logical sense to have a giant wad of books land on our doorstep, but I'm not sure that game balance and considerations actually allow that.
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That one action can just come from our retainers anyway since we'd pull up short on by one action anyway even if we spent all our favor due to needing a minimum of fifty favor to hire our tutor. Also now I'm super tempted to just spend one action and get the tutor so that he can translate all the books for us well we commission things and then after we finish those we go finish learning from him.
Enerael said:
I doubt that one can have too much adamant but ok.

Looking at the plan I am concerned that it is doing the comissions at the last moment possible, that seems unwise and restricting.

Research wise I would very much prefer prosthetic eyes or ears. Getting Adamant chain or Valyas runes sooner does not I think compare to so many dawi having their senses back decades sooner.
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You can never have too much sure but it's about consumption we don't have any plans to use more adamant than we produce for a long time so it can sit on the back burner for a little while longer until after we finish this up coming round of commissions.

For commissions, they're being done at the last moment possible like we always do so that we can budget in maximum research to improve them with.

For research that research is set up primarily to improve the quality of our upcoming commissions although this is not the case with the Valaya Runes so people would be most amenable to be swapping that out if you so wish.
 
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