[X] Accept (Khemetri gain King of the Hill, possible delay in guild industry recovery, -1 Authority, unlikely +1 Influence, probably take Trelli next year)
Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)
[X] Accept (Khemetri gain King of the Hill, possible delay in guild industry recovery, -1 Authority, unlikely +1 Influence, probably take Trelli next year)
Pride is kind of what got the Ymaryn into this mess to the point that the ruling class actually acknowledge it to some extent. Giving up the title of the greatest civilization might be the first step to learning more humility and perhaps get rid of elitist tendencies.
Pride is kind of what got the Ymaryn into this mess to the point that the ruling class actually acknowledge it to some extent. Giving up the title of the greatest civilization might be the first step to learning more humility and perhaps get rid of elitist tendencies.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We already had the first step. That is why we no longer have the "We are the bestest ever" malus.
[X] Accept (Khemetri gain King of the Hill, possible delay in guild industry recovery, -1 Authority, unlikely +1 Influence, probably take Trelli next year)
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
- Location
- Minnesota
[X] Accept (Khemetri gain King of the Hill, possible delay in guild industry recovery, -1 Authority, unlikely +1 Influence, probably take Trelli next year)
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
We could still potentially take it without a navy. There were a huge many times in history that invaders were close to taking Constantinople even with no naval presence, and Trelli here has far less defense than those examples since we have gunpowder and they don't have concrete that can rebuild new walls in a day.
A bit curious how this bit was picked up. The Ymaryn were definitely haughty, but not in a "everything we do is better than you" way. They were more a "we are morally superior than you," like how Angels tend to be represented in pop culture. One of our traits literally let us take the best cultural and technological traits and achievements of other civilizations and states after all.
Anyhow, I say we reject the offer.
[X] Reject (King of the Hill remains in flux, no aid for Trelli.)
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Our Martial Hero says he needs a navy to take the other half of Trelli. I am more than inclined to believe him than assuming he is suddenly going to start succeeding at the things he has been trying to do and has decided won't work.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Less me saying "hey we are totally going to be taking it!" and more arguing that it shouldn't be as impossible as being portrayed by the QM.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
... what made you think they didn't have concrete?
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Didn't say they don't have concrete. That was a historical reference to a special blend of concrete that the Byzantines had access to (though we don't know what the actual recipe was) that was supposed to be so quick-drying that they were regularly able to rebuild walls* and create redoubts in the literal time between pushes within the same day. It is one of the few things we know extensively about the siege of Constantinople by the Turks when they finally took the city.
*As in, it was literally way faster than normal concrete and able to create entire new walls within a few hours. It was quite an ingenious delaying device.
Pride is for Youth
- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
[X] Accept (Khemetri gain King of the Hill, possible delay in guild industry recovery, -1 Authority, unlikely +1 Influence, probably take Trelli next year)
Pride is for Youth
The Royal Cartographer's creaky hands meticulously rolled a large map; the king's council had requested it for their discussion of the Khemetri situation. Inch by inch, roads and trade lines and markings of towns and markets disappeared. By the time he was done, only the king's guard and the king himself remained in the room, the king taking a moment of sorely-needed quiet.
Aderyn hated to ruin it.
"Majesty," he mumbled. "If I may offer some parting thoughts?"
King Bedwyr started, clearly having forgotten he wasn't alone. He quickly composed himself. "Of course. You have served the throne faithfully, good sir. What is on your mind?"
Aderyn bowed his head. "Your highness. It has been my luck to see more of your kingdom than most. I saw the walls of Trelli myself, in my younger years.
"Your generals advise you to weigh the chance of success against the pride of our nation. I know it is too bold by half for an old scholar to argue military matters with generals, but being old I care little. Those in Trelli are our people. Our ancestors did not name themselves The Pride."
Again he bowed, and held it, before shuffling backwards out the door at the silent wave of the king's hand.
Pride is for Youth
The Royal Cartographer's creaky hands meticulously rolled a large map; the king's council had requested it for their discussion of the Khemetri situation. Inch by inch, roads and trade lines and markings of towns and markets disappeared. By the time he was done, only the king's guard and the king himself remained in the room, the king taking a moment of sorely-needed quiet.
Aderyn hated to ruin it.
"Majesty," he mumbled. "If I may offer some parting thoughts?"
King Bedwyr started, clearly having forgotten he wasn't alone. He quickly composed himself. "Of course. You have served the throne faithfully, good sir. What is on your mind?"
Aderyn bowed his head. "Your highness. It has been my luck to see more of your kingdom than most. I saw the walls of Trelli myself, in my younger years.
"Your generals advise you to weigh the chance of success against the pride of our nation. I know it is too bold by half for an old scholar to argue military matters with generals, but being old I care little. Those in Trelli are our people. Our ancestors did not name themselves The Pride."
Again he bowed, and held it, before shuffling backwards out the door at the silent wave of the king's hand.
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- Location
- The Deep Blue Sea
(Sorry for double post)
@ players:
Alternatively, getting Trelli back under administrative control (assuming we manage +Hat loyalty for retaking the city) or getting Hills back under administrative control (maybe by sending infrastructure workers, settlers, and priests?) should help overcome the lost income
Do our advisors / guild leaders foresee any increased income from renewed Khemetri contact and trade?
@ players:
Alternatively, getting Trelli back under administrative control (assuming we manage +Hat loyalty for retaking the city) or getting Hills back under administrative control (maybe by sending infrastructure workers, settlers, and priests?) should help overcome the lost income
And as soon as we have Trelli we need to take he Western Wall. If we let them build up they will be impossible to take over. We need to hit them and bring them back in before they get their feet under themselves. Peace won't get that done.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Probably not. Trade is zero sum after all.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The deal hurts even more, but we get more from taking Trelli and Trelli is needed to get Hathytta back into the fold. The deal remains a painful, but necessary gamble. Ultimately, a -0.5 won't kill us. We can survive with a 0.5/10 Treasury so long as we don't run out of money by hitting 0/10 Treasury.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Correct.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I just want to make it clear again that something needs to change if we are to survive past 1600. Our key to survival was supposed to be the Hills, but now that has fallen though, we need to take gambles if we want to survive. Stabilising the Core just means that we gone from trying to survive the next year to trying to survive the next five years and it will remain that way until we got positive income.
Though if we DO hit zero treasury I suspect we will have escape valves that trigger. Things like war taxes and hitting up nobility for loans in exchange for power.
None of these are options we want to be taking, but empires go bankrupt from time to time and survive.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, we've been informed by the QM that the Core will collapse again and we will choose one of its fragments to play as. Through that was prior to stabilising the Core so things might have changed since then.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Accept (Khemetri gain King of the Hill, possible delay in guild industry recovery, -1 Authority, unlikely +1 Influence, probably take Trelli next year)
I don't like agreeing to this but until we reunite the whole of our territory then we don't really have a leg to stand on. And hey we can always go to war with them in the future and take it back form them. And honestly once we reunite the Old Kingdom territory we should look to expanding our realm and staying in contact with the rest of the world one of the reasons we fell was because we became so isolated if I remember correctly.
I don't like agreeing to this but until we reunite the whole of our territory then we don't really have a leg to stand on. And hey we can always go to war with them in the future and take it back form them. And honestly once we reunite the Old Kingdom territory we should look to expanding our realm and staying in contact with the rest of the world one of the reasons we fell was because we became so isolated if I remember correctly.
