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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[x][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[x][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[x][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui
 
There are a lot of unknowns here, but while I'm formulating my observations I just want to interject here:

An attack on any party present will be seen as an attack on the host. We've stumbled on a major negotiation and unless you want to be known as the faction that kills messengers and negotiators or let's them get ganked, you tend to go 'not in my house' and slap that shit down.

This is part of why I'm so leery about this entire attack: unless it impresses the ice ladies into somehow siding with us (which I find, hrm, unlikely), all I can see this doing is solidifying enmities against the Sect.

Basically, the 'trap' might be 'if you attack, even if you win, you lose: your enemies have become united against you due to you going around killing their diplomats and people kind of frown on that sort of thing.'

I also don't see any other choice, but the fact that there are no other choices means that if this is a trap, someone handily out maneuvered us which is, eh, not great.
 
TehChron said:
She was retreating as well after the first two exchanges with that Cyan, so I genuinely dont see why you think her sticking around to fight to the death while outnumbered again is a good idea.

Especially when we dont know how the two Cyans stack up against one another

Again

You're gambling without any real basis
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Do you any proof that the alpha strike will tie up the cyan long enough to prevent him from turning Ling Qi into paste as she moves towards the stone? Or are you gambling on that with no basis?

Frankly your own argument and assumptions turn against you. If the cyan can protect the Shishigui then he can protect his own men. If protecting the Shishigui leaves him free to act against us then so would protecting his own men.

It's like you are arguing two opposite points here. One of your arguments is that leaving the cyan uncontested is a bad idea. That's why your advocating a strike against them to tie him up.

Your other argument had been that he could protect the Shishigui so putting all our fire there is dangerously risky because that leaves him uncontested. But, if a singular alpha strike against him contests him, how would two alpha strikes against someone else that he then protects not contest him? It doesn't seem consistent to me.

Sure leaving the cyan uncontested is not great. It is in fact dangerous. But I don't see the alpha strike being able to contest him for long enough for us to get a chance to secure the rock.
 
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FixerUpper said:
There are a lot of unknowns here, but while I'm formulating my observations I just want to interject here:

An attack on any party present will be seen as an attack on the host. We've stumbled on a major negotiation and unless you want to be known as the faction that kills messengers and negotiators or let's them get ganked, you tend to go 'not in my house' and slap that shit down.

This is part of why I'm so leery about this entire attack: unless it impresses the ice ladies into somehow siding with us (which I find, hrm, unlikely), all I can see this doing is solidifying enmities against the Sect.

Basically, the 'trap' might be 'if you attack, even if you win, you lose: your enemies have become united against you due to you going around killing their diplomats and people kind of frown on that sort of thing.'

I also don't see any other choice, but the fact that there are no other choices means that if this is a trap, someone handily out maneuvered us which is, eh, not great.
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Pretty sure of this too, myself. Still, taking one faction out first might help in the fight either way, and it's not clear who's the host.
Also, pretty sure we weren't outmaneuvered, just arrogant.
 
Neshuakadal said:
Do you any proof that the alpha strike will tie up the cyan long enough to prevent him from turning Ling Qi into as she moves towards the stone?
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Yes?

Because 1) That's how defense Techs work and 2) once hes blocked a hit from Guan Zhi hes going to have no choice but to engage her before she gets off another shot like that and drains his reserves even further while killing his men and 3) Ling Qis stealth is really good

Once she becomes the center of the battlefield she'll be in her element as break off groups from the other factions will enter her death zones to keep her from running off with the Starstone. Ideally covering for Zhengui while he sits on and prepares to use his plants to dig it up.and nab the thing.
Neshuakadal said:
Your other argument had been that he could protect the Shishigui so putting all our fire there is dangerously risky because that leaves him uncontested. But, if a singular alpha strike against him contests him, how would two alpha strikes against someone else that he then protects not contest him? It doesn't seem consistent to me.
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Because it costs less Qi to block for fewer people than it does for more.

Additionally, between that lesser coverage and overlapping defenses, the odds are greater that theyll be able to reduce casualties even further.

Whereas spreading out the attacks means the defenders have to spread themselves thinner in turn to mitigate the damage as much as possible

You're arguing that it's possible to wipe out the Shishigui in one go so we should gamble entirely on that while leaving the larger and more deadly force free to act

Whereas I doubt that was ever kn the table in the first place, and thus it's likely to blow up in our faces if we try it
 
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[X] Plan XCOM door breach:
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][CRX] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][LQ] Weaken or eliminate the forces on the rim before empowerment can begin
 
I just want to remind people that even if we fail to move the star stone we can still surround it with a fortress of roots and mist guarded by a small army of beasts. The training we underwent with the Wang group last month could prove invaluable.
 
Elsecaller said:
I just want to remind people that even if we fail to move the star stone we can still surround it with a fortress of roots and mist guarded by a small army of beasts. The training we underwent with the Wang group last month could prove invaluable.
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Roots definitely, but Qi constructs not so much.

Now running interference and snatching up folks as they try to gang up on Zhengui?

That's cash money right there
 
FixerUpper said:
There are a lot of unknowns here, but while I'm formulating my observations I just want to interject here:

An attack on any party present will be seen as an attack on the host. We've stumbled on a major negotiation and unless you want to be known as the faction that kills messengers and negotiators or let's them get ganked, you tend to go 'not in my house' and slap that shit down.

This is part of why I'm so leery about this entire attack: unless it impresses the ice ladies into somehow siding with us (which I find, hrm, unlikely), all I can see this doing is solidifying enmities against the Sect.

Basically, the 'trap' might be 'if you attack, even if you win, you lose: your enemies have become united against you due to you going around killing their diplomats and people kind of frown on that sort of thing.'

I also don't see any other choice, but the fact that there are no other choices means that if this is a trap, someone handily out maneuvered us which is, eh, not great.
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Except the "negotiations" are in fact ritual is quite clearly intended to attack the Empire in some way, and the primary complaint isn't it being done, but that it is too soon alongside who* other clans of cloud nomads are cooperating with. Like perhaps you might be right is we were merely attacking a meeting, but it is not merely a meeting, and even if it was a meeting to coordinate things like logistics alongside political haggling is still a valid target when they're intending to wage war on your liege lady.

*This is actually why nuking the Shishigui isn't a particularly good idea imo as their presence makes it less likely the White Sky faction i.e G7/G8 cultivators will take the field as they consider them demons, and their building something that comes across as a flying fortress instead of planning a more conventional war. Huh I wonder if one of the possible super good fortune outcomes is capturing them alive to acquire early warning about exactly it is, and permit Jiao to sabotage it.
 
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Huo Yuhao said:
We don't need to appoint it to anyone right now. The situation can easily go awry if we focus on stealing the starstone. We don't know how high our chances are of being able to steal it. If we do manage to steal it, we'll become the top priority target for the Twelve Star barbs and the shishigui. This is not ideal considering that there are many people here significantly stronger than us. Our goal is not to take the stone and bail - obtaining the stone is a secondary objective. In my opinion, the dangers here are too significant to make prioritizing such an objective right now worthwhile.
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Ling Qi's pretty good and dodging and taking hits, and we already know that this is going to be a multi-update battle. If Guan Zhi and Renxiang can gum up the Twelve Stars and Shishigui respectively, I don't think that leaves very many dangerous opponents to worry about in the immediate moments.
Neshuakadal said:
It's a space rock. I wouldnt surprised if it grew horrifying space limbs and tried to walk away.

But honestly, if it disrupts Qi formations it makes sense that it would also disrupt other types of qi, like our arts. I don't know how something could only disrupt Qi formations and not just disrupt Qi in general.
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I mean, we just heard from the communications guy that it's at least somewhat known, so that's why I was asking. I was thinking that it does the eye-watering wibbly effect in the air, but any qi formations constructs (and maybe arts) that directly touch it get messed with.
 
[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui

[X] Plan Strategic Support Stymieing
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Weaken or eliminate the forces on the rim before empowerment can begin
 
[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui

[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
Guys, will LQ be able to take this huge chunk of radioactive rock from space that disrupts qi? Like, will she literally be able to touch it w/o some kind of negative effects? Disrupting the qi of her techniques seems to be a given considering the potency of this starstone. Will all her techs be disrupted? Bc that could be very bad depending on the situation...if she's trying to stealth her way to the starstone to steal it, she might be un-stealthed all the sudden. We've talked about LQ getting some sort of pocket dimension art but she doesn't have that yet so...idk. ZG's roots could grab it, since the roots aren't qi constructs, but ZG is slow so he won't be able to take it and run.
Earlier BN mentioned that just taking out the Shishigui or at least incapacitating them should solve that problem since no one else seems able to touch it.
That wasn't just me thinking that? It really seemed like the Shishigui Green 7 dude was only able to handle it bc of his arts.

Edit: Also I just wanna clarify, is CRX gonna have back up sticking w her while she fights the Shishigui representative, should that be the case? Bc neither she nor LQ hold a candle to a Green 7
 
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[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone
 
NGL this vote kinda stresses me out a little. I've flip-flopped between a few different votes unsure if it is the "right" one. And most of the strategies people are arguing make sense to me, so I can't identify one that stands out more than all the others. If we get the starstone how hard will it be to keep? Does it radiate anything that would hinder Ling Qi? Would we have an disadvantage while trying to fight with it?

So many questions I don't know the answer to, lol.
 
Lena27 said:
Like, will she literally be able to touch it w/o some kind of negative effects?
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If it's dangerous on contact, Ling Qi's... probably the safest of the Imperial forces? She's got a cultivation Art that's all about getting a handle on stellar Qi.

That might still be a pretty low bar, though. And I expect the Cyan with a mask made of the stuff has better resistance than she does.
 
[X] Plan Strategic Support Stymieing
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Weaken or eliminate the forces on the rim before empowerment can begin
 
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