[X] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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I'm a little... conflicted right now.
First off, I don't think Ling Qi takes off her dress almost ever. She's a street rat, wearing the same clothes day after day isn't strange to her and what's worse this one self-cleans, allows her to fly and, important note, she is a girl who doesn't sleep.
Looking at the data it seems like she may not have taken it off except for when visiting the tailor who made it.
For her to consider taking it off now for art cultivation reasons without outside prompting is... weird. Like, it's become part of her. I don't notice my glasses anymore because I've worn them day after day, her dress should kind of be like that.
On the other hand. I think darkness month is introducing a few too new elements and the payoff is supposedly... the fight with Ji Rong.
Like, if the consequence of voting for training without the dress is that the dress spazzes out during the fight with Ji Rong I would 100% support training without the dress because that's a genuinely interesting outcome that would add tension to the fight. Whereas the opposite: us learning about the dress now would just make it look like stacking up another advantage... for the Ji Rong fight.
Honestly, my preference is that Ling Qi thoughtlessly keeps the dress on, notices something weird happen, dismisses it, and then have it spazz out in the fight because there's a gradual build-upbuild-up that's been hinted at since forever, but...
Eh. Idk. I'm not sure what the ramifications of either vote are and all I can say for sure is that having the dress on feels more consistent with Ling Qi's characterization; but if I'm reading my tea leaves right, kind of not great in terms of narrative payoff.
First off, I don't think Ling Qi takes off her dress almost ever. She's a street rat, wearing the same clothes day after day isn't strange to her and what's worse this one self-cleans, allows her to fly and, important note, she is a girl who doesn't sleep.
Looking at the data it seems like she may not have taken it off except for when visiting the tailor who made it.
For her to consider taking it off now for art cultivation reasons without outside prompting is... weird. Like, it's become part of her. I don't notice my glasses anymore because I've worn them day after day, her dress should kind of be like that.
On the other hand. I think darkness month is introducing a few too new elements and the payoff is supposedly... the fight with Ji Rong.
Like, if the consequence of voting for training without the dress is that the dress spazzes out during the fight with Ji Rong I would 100% support training without the dress because that's a genuinely interesting outcome that would add tension to the fight. Whereas the opposite: us learning about the dress now would just make it look like stacking up another advantage... for the Ji Rong fight.
Honestly, my preference is that Ling Qi thoughtlessly keeps the dress on, notices something weird happen, dismisses it, and then have it spazz out in the fight because there's a gradual build-upbuild-up that's been hinted at since forever, but...
Eh. Idk. I'm not sure what the ramifications of either vote are and all I can say for sure is that having the dress on feels more consistent with Ling Qi's characterization; but if I'm reading my tea leaves right, kind of not great in terms of narrative payoff.
As I understand it,Wind Thief is an art about movement. About a thief who could steal the Wind and escape its master, yet its at a level where it cannot fly on its own. Its about moving such that you could outrace the wind without flight of your own.
The whole dress will eat the flight theory is baseless.
Its more likely that training without the dress, by a Cultivator already used to flight, will develop particular insights into using the art to achieve simulacrums of flight or to use it in the sky.
Training with the dress then would just activate its learning ability to take advantage of its wielder trying something it already is partially aligned with, but in exchange you don't have the moment of inspiration on how falling is like flying.
The whole dress will eat the flight theory is baseless.
Its more likely that training without the dress, by a Cultivator already used to flight, will develop particular insights into using the art to achieve simulacrums of flight or to use it in the sky.
Training with the dress then would just activate its learning ability to take advantage of its wielder trying something it already is partially aligned with, but in exchange you don't have the moment of inspiration on how falling is like flying.
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[X] Train Wind Thief without your Cai Dress ( +0.2 multiplier, Art Bonus)
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It's no more baseless than the "actually even though it explicitly has a cultivation penalty, it'll give us mastery of the art faster because something something every type of difficulty is the same" theory though, so turnabout is fair play.
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TimEd
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I dont think I can choose here. Maybe Ild just vote for both again, but more likely I'd probably abstain on this one. I just dont fully get what is at stake beyond speculation.
Also I am fairly sure any choice here will lead to an interesting conclusion.
A) will Ling Qi finally deign to stop wearing Dress-chan for a short while?
B) will Dress-chan make her presence known through some sort of reaction to/from the Art?
Tune in next time in Dress-chan Ball gown Z!
Also I am fairly sure any choice here will lead to an interesting conclusion.
A) will Ling Qi finally deign to stop wearing Dress-chan for a short while?
B) will Dress-chan make her presence known through some sort of reaction to/from the Art?
Tune in next time in Dress-chan Ball gown Z!
Yrs specifically mentioned that the cultivation penalty was only for one turn. That's a pretty clear indication that LFWT is not going to be negatively affected by either option in the long term, which means having a major part of its themes suborned into the dress is not a thing that is likely to happen. So, yeah - actively contraindicated is more baseless than total speculation.
There might be long term issues stemming from drama surrounding the dress' reaction, but arguing that the dress is going to cause serious long term problems to the growth of a major art from the very get go just by existing is highly dubious.
[X] Train Wind Thief while wearing your Cai Dress (-0.2 multiplier. Dress Reaction)
[X] Train Wind Thief while wearing your Cai Dress (-0.2 multiplier. Dress Reaction)
DRESS REACTION
It's the more interesting vote! Eh, there's too many stuff happening? Hehe, given all the stuff happening in the sidestories beyond Ling Qi's knowledge, we're probably just gonna get used to it
DRESS REACTION
It's the more interesting vote! Eh, there's too many stuff happening? Hehe, given all the stuff happening in the sidestories beyond Ling Qi's knowledge, we're probably just gonna get used to it
A big part of the reason that I chose taking off the dress is that Wind Thief is such a cool and potent art that I really think that it deserves its own narrative space when it is first being learned, and with the other option it will have to share that narrative space with the dress, which might steal the spotlight from this incredible sounding art.
I don't think the dress is awakening anytime soon? Correct me if I am wrong, but I got the feeling the Dress is years(?) away from such a point. So I don't think people should vote for it on that basis. And the cultivation bonus/malus doesn't matter.
The choice is between letting the dress incorporate bits of Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief or not. The pro of voting for the dress means we presumably shorten the time it takes for it to awaken and it will synergise more with LQ when it does. The con pretty much is that LFWT is not as awesome as it could be.
And well, I will be honest, I want it at its most awesome. There is this duality present in LQ with how she yearns to be completely free, but she has roots that tie her to others and prevent her from doing so. As LQ's domain has developed, we have managed to integrate this potential contradiction with her only advanced insight so far: "One person's desires cannot, alone make a home nor a family."
In my mind LFWT is the continuation of the opposite side of that duality, her desire to be free such that no one could force her to do something that she doesn't want. So, thematically I am pro letting LFWT be something that's primarily and mostly LQ. To Ling Qi, freedom has always been solitary, and I think letting this aspect of her domain remain solitary would be a good thing.
The choice is between letting the dress incorporate bits of Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief or not. The pro of voting for the dress means we presumably shorten the time it takes for it to awaken and it will synergise more with LQ when it does. The con pretty much is that LFWT is not as awesome as it could be.
And well, I will be honest, I want it at its most awesome. There is this duality present in LQ with how she yearns to be completely free, but she has roots that tie her to others and prevent her from doing so. As LQ's domain has developed, we have managed to integrate this potential contradiction with her only advanced insight so far: "One person's desires cannot, alone make a home nor a family."
In my mind LFWT is the continuation of the opposite side of that duality, her desire to be free such that no one could force her to do something that she doesn't want. So, thematically I am pro letting LFWT be something that's primarily and mostly LQ. To Ling Qi, freedom has always been solitary, and I think letting this aspect of her domain remain solitary would be a good thing.
To be honest, this is how most of the votes are. They are almost always vague to the point that you are flipping a coin. It's why arguments like LQ fang is cute or mouse girl is cute can sway people. Its why I don't usually vote unless it's against the tide that is SV diplomancer.
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I don't really see how the argument that Ling Qi wouldn't consider taking off her dress because she's used to wearing it works. She's already considered taking it off in this update. The follow up to this if we choose to stick with the dress would involve Ling Qi wearing it in spite of acknowledging that it might act as a crutch. This seems OOC for Ling Qi since she doesn't really view the dress as a person yet, so there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for her to do this.
If the argument is that Ling Qi thinking about the dress in general doesn't make sense from a writing perspective, I would still disagree. Ling Qi might not be consciously aware of her dress most of the time, but she's still very aware of the aid it provides in flight. It makes perfect sense for her to think of it when considering practicing an art closely related to flight.
[X] Train Wind Thief while wearing your Cai Dress (-0.2 multiplier. Dress Reaction)
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[X] Train Wind Thief while wearing your Cai Dress (-0.2 multiplier. Dress Reaction)
Yeah, I thought so too intially, but on further examination it doesn't seem to make a tremendous amount of sense. It's the first time we've come across this concept (talismans can act as a crutch) and if it were true there were past opportunities to bring it up. e.g. TRF would have benefited from removing the dress and removing that extra layer of armor, or the boom leap technique from the argent tech, or whatever else.
I'm 99% sure that if talismans affected cultivation speed that'd be a widely known and disseminated fact. That it isn't means that most of the time it's not true: it's likely flight and simalcrulums are an exception to the rule and it doesn't come up often enough to matter because there are a handful of talismans that can allow second and third realms to fly.
It's getting a... yeah, I can kind of see it, but I don't care for it, kind of reaction from me.
For one, dedicated Sword cultivators(like swordbro over ye), has a high probability of dedicating themselves to mastery of a singular, particularly amazing blade, and likewise with family heirlooms bearing object spirits.
It wouldn't be particularly common(since usually artifacts of such potency usually don't show up in someone's career early enough that they can actually build themselves around it), but it shouldn't really be a problem.
But in this case I think its really just that we'd be training an art which expects the user not to be able to fly, but to emulate flight, and its more like doing the tutorial for Assassin's Creed with flight enabled than anything else, you'd learn parkour slower because you can always just fly over the difficult parts rather than being forced to retry until it works, but in the end, its about special insights into the difficulties of flying without flight rather than crippling the tutorial.