Magoose
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So what your saying is... be a human about this whole thing?
Cause that is totally the only way things can get done
As An Eagle Flies (A House Arryn Quest)
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Cause that is totally the only way things can get done
Modus_Tollens
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'Hero'... can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. It isn't even mutually exclusive with being a monster. Vlad Tepes was a goddamn hero and we all know how that turned out.
And 'human' is a journey. Go far enough along that journey and you find yourself in a strange country.
And 'human' is a journey. Go far enough along that journey and you find yourself in a strange country.
Magoose
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Do we have an award for Heroism in Westeros that isn't knighthood?... If not, we should Ask Aerys to create one. Make it super rare and super prestigious and such and such. so that we can create a true system of honors.
Or just stay alive in a changing world in ten, then you'll never recognize it.
Modus_Tollens
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I'd give it twenty years before it is handed out as one more piece of political currency. Just like white cloak positions came to be.
And yet they will recognize you very well, and perhaps hate you for it. What the definition of virtue is changes and no one wants to be reminded of it.
In the end, we'll have to justify ourselves with our actions. And in the end it will come down to ourselves and the Seven sitting in a dark room. History will keep its own company.
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Magoose
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Or it becomes a true system of Merecratic honors...
Have some optimism for our buddy Aerys, with Tywin as his Hand, Steffon being a potential shoe-in as chief General (Game of thrones mod council position) it might become an actual institution.
Aerys might become the king he hopes to be, both in canon and in here.
Amen
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I'll admit, a large part of why I'm voting to interact with people is because I honestly thought we hadn't really spent the time or actions needed to be considered "friends" with people, but it looks like we spent more time than I thought. Still, I'll stand by a general Diplo/friend making course of action in that there's really only so much you can do yourself. Delegation is the best superpower of them all!
And yeah people who think Diplo=Nice Boy need to look up Bismark or like any other influential politician in the modern or ancient eras.
And yeah people who think Diplo=Nice Boy need to look up Bismark or like any other influential politician in the modern or ancient eras.
Magoose
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My Favorite is Augustus. He used his ruthlessness, his genius and cunning to just take over the whole fucking roman empire. He was no general like Ceaser, but he didn't need to be.
He just was... augustus.
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[x]Plan Sleepy
[x]Train in Combat: You will learn to master Swordsmanship.
[x]Train in Martial (Command): You will study the masters of old, learn their secrets, their strengths and avoid their weaknesses.
[x]Train in Administration (Stewardship): You need to be a good lord. And that means being able to handle coin.
[x]Betrothal News: It seems your father has betrothed you to someone... Best find out who it is.
[x]Spend time with Rhaella: she is your friend and loves reading… maybe… wait, she wants you to help her find a book?
[x]Spend time with Aerys: Areys is… devoting himself to his studies... best to see how he is doing.
And Magoose the best way to play an rpg is stealth archer.
[x]Train in Combat: You will learn to master Swordsmanship.
[x]Train in Martial (Command): You will study the masters of old, learn their secrets, their strengths and avoid their weaknesses.
[x]Train in Administration (Stewardship): You need to be a good lord. And that means being able to handle coin.
[x]Betrothal News: It seems your father has betrothed you to someone... Best find out who it is.
[x]Spend time with Rhaella: she is your friend and loves reading… maybe… wait, she wants you to help her find a book?
[x]Spend time with Aerys: Areys is… devoting himself to his studies... best to see how he is doing.
And Magoose the best way to play an rpg is stealth archer.
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Magoose
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Action RPG maybe. Skyrim may be... But not at my tabletop.
My GM loves fucking people who overspecialize.
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That's a good gm. Can't have people who mono focus their character and expect to do well everywhere. Always build a bit of everything you can into your kit to try and survive.
KnightDisciple
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The ruthless, pragmatic characters in Westeros tend to have few truly loyal people, and often meet bad ends...
It's almost like being a Hard Man Making Hard Decisions backfires!
I mean, I'm not advocating being an ineffectual, naive, blindly-pacifistic person. Just, you know, being good.
Magoose
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Ahh... good times. Reminds me when we had a Russian revolution game and we accidentally killed Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky while helping the Chechosolvacks steal the Russian treasury.
And then burned down half od Moscow in the ensuing riot, and then escaped to the Royal family, who we... well we didn't save all of them, but we didn't kill them either.
One of our characters (The captain from the navy I think) died and he allowed our player to play Anna... right before she got shot.
And that's not even counting the Swordfight on the plane's wings as we fled east to Vladyvostok where we met up with Kolcheck, and somehow managed to sneak a truce from the exploding Soviet State.
We ended with Anna being crowned Empress at Vladivostok and Massivally reforming the nation, due to the Soviet Union collapsing without Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky a few years later.
Modus_Tollens
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Something this setting lacks is knightly orders. Conspicuously lacks. There is are no Knights Hospitallar, Templar, or Teuton. No Round Table. Not even nation specific order like the Order of the Dragon or Order if Saint George, both out of Hungary.
A knight can be a lord or be merely a hedge knight but they are still ultimately alone. The closest we have are the white cloaks and, during more heated times, the Warrior's Sons. Not really the same ilk.
There is no shortage of knights. You can't go three feet without tripping over one. But they never properly organized? That makes me wonder.
A knight can be a lord or be merely a hedge knight but they are still ultimately alone. The closest we have are the white cloaks and, during more heated times, the Warrior's Sons. Not really the same ilk.
There is no shortage of knights. You can't go three feet without tripping over one. But they never properly organized? That makes me wonder.
Magoose
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Actually the faith militant was the organization of knights that operated as their knightly orders in the setting, but Meakor the Cruel disbanded the faith militant after they tried to overthrow him a few times and there has never been anything like a knightly order outside the kings guard.
Although in the books, Robert Arryn is trying to form his own knightly brotherhood to protect him after Lysa dies and Littlefinger takes over as regent.
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Silveraith
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I really like this plan.
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seeing i had pretty much the same plna i have no problem with it.
Silveraith
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No, no...
You're plan is targeting friends who I don't truly appeal to or thing we should target. Also training in Combat is silly, better to just train to be Knight as a Squire.
You're missing a voting choice. You only have 5, not the 6 options available.
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The ruthless, pragmatic characters in Westeros tend to have few truly loyal people, and often meet bad ends...
It's almost like being a Hard Man Making Hard Decisions backfires!
I mean, I'm not advocating being an ineffectual, naive, blindly-pacifistic person. Just, you know, being good.
I'm not advocating for a completely ruthless pragmatic type character. That way lies endless headaches and arguments with the more moralistic players which outnumber the likes of me who are more for a pragmatic and sometimes even ruthless approach.
I'm in full agreement with the Magoose on this one. Let's be balanced and well...human...and Human nature certainly isn't to be entirely "good" or entirely "evil"
Through for your point about loyalty I'd point to canon Tywin. All his Lords were loyal, true they had to be or have the Rains weep o'er his halls. But that's also a pretty decent way to deal with your vassals, it works as a warning against othets who think of betraying you.
That's like saying it's silly to train being a professional football player before joining a professional football team.
Martial Prestige in Westeros is very and I do mean very, important. I'd point to Garlan (Or was it Wyllas?) Tyrell as a example, after he injured his leg and could jo longer ride or fight most Lords in the Reach and even his Father didn't want him as their next Lord or Heir any longer. Considering him to be less of a man for not being able to fight anymore, is it stupid? Naturally but that's the world and society we are in and we play to it's rules, not those of ours irl.
P.S: Update on the Omake thing, been busy with work but should be able to finish it tomorrow.
Magoose
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Silveraith
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Training on our own without a dedicated teacher is silly, particularly since we're trying to master a skill when all we truly know is the basics. We're more likely to develop a error in form that will have to be unlearned when we do start squiring. If we're going to undergo martial training we should go all the way or not bother.
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I'm more inclined to believe that this is more of a physical training and repetition of what we've already learned then us actually trying to come up with new training methods by ourselves and even then, swing a sword or a hammer hard and long enough at something and you'll build up quiet a bit of muscle.
Edit: As far as I've seen it wasnt stated that we somehow would be doing it alone either right? So in case we do end up training our 'form' or swordsmanship I would think that we would have atleast one Knight or even KG around to oversee it.
Also here's hoping we dont actually end up using a sword. A Poleaxe, Warhammer or even spear would be preferable.
Every MC in every Novel/Story/Foction ever somehow always uses a sword for...reasons...Even if swords themselves aren't really that good of a weapon when most people we will end up fighting here will have plate or other types of heavy armour mostly.
Personaly I'd love to see Arstan use a big ass warhammer or even a axe for that matter
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Silveraith
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Low rolls have negative consequences, and without a dedicated teacher we won't benefit from tehir boost to our rolls. Our previous trainer made us competent with a blade, which basically means we're better then a farmer with his pitchfork, not better then a knight or fellow lord. He can no longer teach us anything unless we squire for him. He made us competent with our skills, he would thus attend to other duties and no longer watch us while we train. Anyone around while we're training isn't paying attention to a damn thing we're doing so long as we stay out of their way.
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Sounds weird honestly, every lords castle has a Master-at-Arms if I remember correctly whose most time consuming duty is to train their Lords children and the guards even. The Red Keep does have one I believe.
Through yeah one way or the other either we are doing stuff that doesn't need supervision or we actually do have someone, eitherway martial training is required and just because we might roll low isn't a reason not to pick it, 'Fortune Favours the Bold' and all that.
I'd rather try and take the chance then not do it at all.
Through yeah one way or the other either we are doing stuff that doesn't need supervision or we actually do have someone, eitherway martial training is required and just because we might roll low isn't a reason not to pick it, 'Fortune Favours the Bold' and all that.
I'd rather try and take the chance then not do it at all.
