- Location
- Hell
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Mm, I'm seeing where you're coming from a bit more. Not at my best RN so sorry if I was misrepresenting your point. Not sure if I'm going to take pressure off of TD, but I think I'll consider the -Rosen lynch.
A Game of Crowns (Mafia)
- Thread starter LostDeviljho
- Start date
- Mafia
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
That's fair. Like I said, pretty sure it was just a misunderstanding. But this is the part I was talking about.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Right tiredness upon returning home doesn't help but I did say I'd get this out.
Reason I went for absum was I gave a hint at litterly nothing and threw out a vote. The idea was to lure in oppurtunistic scum looking for a good early wagon to lead to and have a scapegoat to take the fall for it the next day if it succeeded. I didn't get that intended result, no one else voted with me, so in a way it's good but at the same time was a waste of time. Now what did throw me off was TD's sudden defense of Absum...for...a day 1 townread? Like... if this was anyone who had a second game on site I'd be more certain of this lynch...however In hindsight I feel I'm locked too much into my view that the only people who would defend someone so blatantly is open scum on day 1 while also looking at a newer player. I...painfully say newbie protection has it's limits and I think the reasonings for my argument aren't strong enough to justify pursuing.
@TurtleDucks can you give reasonings to why you have a town read of absum? Something beyond a gutread preferably.
Ugh...I'm still not feeling the -Rosen lynch either honestly...I'll look over things when I'm more awake.
[X] Null
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
I'm really not sure that -Rosen is scum, but it's not impossible, there's not great reason to suspect anyone else, and I do think he's the most informative lynch right now. If he is scum then we've good as confirmed Nictis and Evenstar as town.
My other "informed" pick would be Absum- both TurtleDucks and BanTheFairyKing have given entirely sourceless townreads, which is both suspicious and makes identifying Absum somewhat more valuable.
Also, this exchange:
My other "informed" pick would be Absum- both TurtleDucks and BanTheFairyKing have given entirely sourceless townreads, which is both suspicious and makes identifying Absum somewhat more valuable.
Also, this exchange:
seems slightly scum-indicative, but I'm trying not to read in to it very much.
- Location
- Hell
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Thinking that is a big mistake, IMO. You leave yourself open to clever scum.
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
Okay. So, I probably shouldn't be posting while hyped on caffeine, and I might be hitting myself for this later, but I need to ask before I forget or lose the opportunity to bring this up.
@Absum I'm pretty sure that @TurtleDucks is either a very specific Town Role, or is Scum. Which do you think is more likely right now?
@Absum I'm pretty sure that @TurtleDucks is either a very specific Town Role, or is Scum. Which do you think is more likely right now?
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
If we lynch -Rosen, it'll be almost entirely thanks to Nictis' actions. Killing one third of your team for cred might sometimes be a good trade, but I would be surprised if this was one of those times.
It's not certainty I suppose, but it's very strong evidence.
CTRosen
Rock Man
- Location
- Northwest PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Wolfish post. Going for informational lynches is a bad look as they have a primary assumption in mind (i.e Scum!Rosen = Town!Nictis/Evenstar; Scum!Absum = Suspicious Turtle/Ban) where it ends up being the pretense for a vote, rather than suspicion itself.
Nictis
Best Sidekick
- Location
- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
Okay, got about thirty-two hours left, and thanks to some lovely scheduling by work, I probably won't be sleeping at all in that time, on top of only getting four hours sleep each night for the last couple of days. So... I'm either going to not be at my best or I'm going to be making some ridiculously genius connections.
I already feel like I'm making a few too many assumptions and suspicions, so I'm going to go make some food, set down some notes on my current thoughts, and then... Do a soft reboot of sorts. Try to reset and see what other connections I can make with a different kind of focus.
I already feel like I'm making a few too many assumptions and suspicions, so I'm going to go make some food, set down some notes on my current thoughts, and then... Do a soft reboot of sorts. Try to reset and see what other connections I can make with a different kind of focus.
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Changing my mind slightly from last night: I don't think you were too quick to jump on them per se as they did indeed have no reason at first and a bad one after that, but it did (does?) bother me that you were the one to jump on it without seemingly realizing that TD could very well have followed up with the reason I gave (i.e. that you never provided any reasoning at all).
Also uh I don't think scum are going to jump on a 1-vote wagon with no reasoning. That'd just look bad.
Hm. I don't do well with vague hints when I didn't make them up myself.
I am not in a Mason with Turtleducks, if that's what you mean. Aside from that I would currently lean slightly scum. I can think of a Town role that'd make him/a new player act like this and revealing or losing it would be quite bad, but I don't think it is all that likely? It also depends on why Turtleducks is townreading me.
And I scrolled through the updated list of roles for this because I don't feel like what you're referring to is what I'm thinking of
.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I mentioned a lot of reasons to be suspicious. You respond by attacking the admittedly weakest one as if it were the sole motivation.
I started out leaning into this read because it was the only one I really had, but I was not especially enthusiastic about it. But your replies have just left me more and more certain we aren't on the same side.
I'm still not anywhere close to 100% but I am lot moreso than when I first made the accusation.
- Location
- Alabama
- Pronouns
- He/They
Ugh, this Rosen lynch has me conflicted. On one hand it really, really feels like we're lynching town. On the other, I still don't know who to vote for? There are currently 4 votes on Rosen, and I don't particularly hate any of them.
Nictis also feels towny to me, but then I've only ever seen their town game and this reminds me of it. If their scum game is sufficiently similar then that's that.
Meso and Hobo are both new, and Meso especially gave some good justification that's consistent with their earlier reads.
Nani I'm the least sure on, but... It doesn't feel like a scum jumping on a murder train? There's also the dreaded reasons.why did everyone else get d1 knowledge so unfair rip meee
Like, you'd think that if this were actually a town lynch there would be some opportunistic scum on it? Idk, just confused rn I guess
Nictis also feels towny to me, but then I've only ever seen their town game and this reminds me of it. If their scum game is sufficiently similar then that's that.
Meso and Hobo are both new, and Meso especially gave some good justification that's consistent with their earlier reads.
Nani I'm the least sure on, but... It doesn't feel like a scum jumping on a murder train? There's also the dreaded reasons.
Like, you'd think that if this were actually a town lynch there would be some opportunistic scum on it? Idk, just confused rn I guess
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
I mean... yes, I was quite open that my motivation for the vote isn't so much an actual suspicion, but I fail to see how lynching for information is worse than lynching based on dubious reads.
InterstellarHobo
Cosmic Vagrant
- Location
- No Fixed Planetary System
And I scrolled through the updated list of roles for this because I don't feel like what you're referring to is what I'm thinking of
Hold up, there's a list of roles somewhere?
- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Hm, I'd sooner expect scum to be on that lynch if -Rosen is scum (as there is no real competing lynch atm so might as well distance yourself). If -Rosen is Town joining it would be a wash.
And uh you are already voting for someone, so.
Anyway, you were townreading me right?
It's generally not good practice to lynch with information gathering as the main reason as that's too easy for scum to use.
I meant the recently updated glossary thingy in the megathread.
- Location
- Alabama
- Pronouns
- He/They
Probably a bit weird, but I town read you because you weren't afraid to change your opinion on the Nictis thing. Looking back on it I was tired and definitely making some leaps of logic on the Evenstar thing, and so you calling me out on it when you could have just gone along with it struck me as towny. It's not like I've towncored you, butttt yeah.
TD said they townread you before that post tho, so obviously they have different reasons.
Cyricubed
Residant Bird.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/Birb
Your point is nulled by the person you seem to be defending now and if you have a lean scumread why are you doing nothing with it on day 1?
Okay I'm going to do a dso on Absum/TD.
PREPARE THYSELF KNAVES! HYAHHHHHH:
qfc
qfc but glad to see newbies are doing research before diving.
Originally Dismissed this.
Hmm...memephase so NAI, thus qfc
qfc
kek...qfc
States their guesses aren't entirely random, why? I can't really pull much from this but it comes as off and strange. The 1st part seems off but okay.
NAI I think...
Ehh...can't really garner anything from that although I feel I should have.
Again mentions what they think scum would do...but why? Theoretically I can see it being more that the vets should respond and the newbies don't have a reason to really...regardless of alignment. So why keep mentioning that?
Yeah no that is indeed just bad reasons...well I know why I couldn't get anything earlier from that statement about it not being entirely random...
Not sure what to make of this so qfc
And my preferred role is anything solo generally. Easier
Ah. Uh. I'm blind. I just saw the
I...is this a scumslip? I don't remember any case of Absum being scum before so this just seems so off to me.
reinforces above idea
This is sus on base value.
What's more, they left without undoing their vote to kill me. How dreadfully rude
nai/qfc
Mhm...that last statement makes me sus for a number of reasons
<.<
qfc...but funny.
Hmm...if this is true by any means then the townread on absum is generally unfounded imo.
Water Mill Gorge...qfc
qfc
weird response but qfc
Not gonna lie hiding in audacity is a thing...a thing I've done a few times in the past somehow successfully. I don't recommend it. Regardless this statement is wine for the most part, and I'm sure I've seen this somewhere else although that member was town.
qfc/nai
I lied, one last post
And if read by a townie, then I'm a townie. I've been very clear about being everyone's friend until proven otherwise.
I have no idea what that is.
I'm trying to serve my purpose.
Now I sleep.
Okay gonna just address the Ele- . . . Turtleduck in the room.
This more or less reads like a very transparent 3rd party neutral claim at best. One that can win with either scum or town. I frankly don't trust that, especially since everything up to this point was pointing at this kind of claim and later they backpedal on it saying their town despite what they've greatly hinted at earlier. But...(Cuts to later-)
Yes.
While largely NAI this is also a tiny bit scummy. It's hair-splitting but as Town using rng serves no real point but makes little difference, mentioning that you did so serves no purpose at all. As scum, whether you did or not, saying you did makes an easy defence against people using the list later on (when that is supposed to be the point by your own words). Now I actually don't think you'd do that as scum because it's rather obvious but eh I'd still preferred if you hadn't mentioned this.
Pls no more wine ;_;
In combination with the fishing I don't really like this. It's a neat excuse for looking coordinated, but imo a supposed 2 person neighbourhood really doesn't need such an excuse early on if at all, both because coordination is not guaranteed and because the other person could be scum anyway.
Eh, I'm quite confused at this point.
@Happerry did you read my bad reasons and do you think you can answer -Rosen's questions now?
@Look to the Left I'd like to see some comments from you.
Unrelated to anyone: I feel like I turn everything into wine if I let myself think for multiple minutes
Hmm. . . I can't say this isn't a good post because it is imo. Not much real content but it does give a good vibe.
Now here is where it gets weird...this looks like outside deflection off Turtleducks. If it was alone I would have passed it up honestly.
More of saying what scum would likely do
Except if people are actually being random on it, it shouldn't be analyzable.
qfc
qfc
qfc
Hints at survivors, seems like possible set-up for TurtleDucks later and an excuse to immediately believe him.
forgot what this was in regards to and I'm work lazy atm so qfc.
qfc
Hmm...idk.
Further...pushing for: Don't lynch me you'll regret it, believe me I'm everyone's friend!
qfc (Non-Alignment Indicative)
Random lynch thrown at me from the blue. I believe it was Even who asked for reasonings
qfc
Blatantly said: I'm voting you because your voting this guy that I like for some unknown reason(essentially a omgus vote at best which is still sus)
What can I say? I prefer to keep things to myself unless someone else brings them up
Just some general advice: You should always give your reasonings for putting down a lynch vote, even if they are minor and insignificant.
Basically prepping to say I'll believe whatever TD throws out because yeah.
qfc(I see what happened)
An again: Wait for my teammate to give a constructed excuse that I can build constructed reads off of. Or at least how I'm reading this given everything else.
qfc(I forgot what this was relation too)
Did your ISO on who? Now I'm curious and I didn't see Nanimani chaosposting at all. . .
Hmm...
Nai / qfc
qfc
Here is where they backpedal on all the hinting they've been dropping, which makes me feel someone said: Stop leaking all over the place, but then proceed to go: Yeah I'm town and this here is town too I'm certain. On day 1...both already said they weren't in any form of Quicktopic so there is nothing this can be properly founded on so yeah, this reads bad.
Sorry, but I need to respond now because I must sleep and if I wait till tomorrow this won't get resolved before Day End because of timezones/activity periods not lining up well. Though I don't actually answer Turtleducks' question anyway, so maybe it's fine.
Ok so first off: Everyone is going to claim they're Town
Then to the actual content:
You kinda missed the mark, so the question isn't one I can answer (and I don't think I'd even want to? But not gonna think about that this late). I wouldn't have considered me being Town enough of a reason to counter lynch on it's own and as such I haven't given any thought to why you (or anyone, tbh) might consider me Town or not. No, the reason Cyricubed's vote on me deserved (imo) some pressure (or at least an inquiry, which nobody bothered with and I intentionally refrained from), is that he voted on me without ever mentioning me at all in the rest of the post (or the follow-up post he made after another read through for that matter) that pointed at multiple other people as sus, even using some similar arguments to me. The only follow-up explanation his vote on me had was this
a day later (uh assuming it was actually about that but I do think it was).
Now, all that is quite easily explained away by it being some reaction test or somesuch (regardless of if it's true), but if that's what the plan and reason were, then I think Cyricubed was a bit too quick to jump on Turtleducks (and me, actually. Maybe more so me even? idk w/e I want to see if that's even the reason first). If that's not what Cyricubed's reasoning was well then idk atm and I want to sleep and I can probably read it tomorrow.
That said I am gonna advise Turtleducks to stop playing coy with their reasons to this degree, because while this mostly reads as "new player" to me I would almost start to suspect them of pocketing me, so I can easily imagine it looks even more suspicious to people who don't know I'm Town (as I could be a potential scum buddy in that case).
Hopefully that's all still clear I think my edits are starting to deteriorate so uh yeah sleep now.
Quick to respond and deflect by throwing shade onto me for my attempt to lure scum and then openly deflect off Turtle by pointing out: Hey this guy is a new player probably everything is alright and even admits why this whole thing looks bad.
Changing my mind slightly from last night: I don't think you were too quick to jump on them per se as they did indeed have no reason at first and a bad one after that, but it did (does?) bother me that you were the one to jump on it without seemingly realizing that TD could very well have followed up with the reason I gave (i.e. that you never provided any reasoning at all).
Also uh I don't think scum are going to jump on a 1-vote wagon with no reasoning. That'd just look bad.
Hm. I don't do well with vague hints when I didn't make them up myself.
I am not in a Mason with Turtleducks, if that's what you mean. Aside from that I would currently lean slightly scum. I can think of a Town role that'd make him/a new player act like this and revealing or losing it would be quite bad, but I don't think it is all that likely? It also depends on why Turtleducks is townreading me.
And I scrolled through the updated list of roles for this because I don't feel like what you're referring to is what I'm thinking of
I already addressed this above actually so no need to re-address especially since you seem to be fully willing to ignore what TurtleDucks has pushed out regarding their reasonings.
Okay so....WHAT? Why would you give scum advice!? Seriously?
End result:
My highest scum reads are TurtleDucks and Absum together. They're being way too Buddy-Buddy and with absum's deflections I really don't like this even more. I generally apply newbie protection but this is a bit far on the chain for me to just ignore.