- Location
- Inside my own head
- Pronouns
- They/Them
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Sorry if you're actually getting upset, that isn't my intention. This is a game and I'd hope it's fun for you.Didn't see this my firs time through but when you have essentially two things that you're pointing out how the hell am I supposed to magically figure out that youre talking about something pertinent that you didn't mention in the post.
This is starting to really piss me off now
Town of Salem role that can adopt the role and win condition of someone who has died.*navigates to glossary*
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Good luck. Hope you're better at it than I amI might have to try using social deduction in this game of social deduction.
While this is true, being up for lynch tends to take up your attention and -Rosen did do something wrt InterstellarHobo so I think you're being too dismissive here. Even if we ignore everything earlier in the Day just that one thing already puts -Rosen above a bunch of other people in terms of scum hunting after all.Sorry if you're actually getting upset, that isn't my intention. This is a game and I'd hope it's fun for you.
I read your explanation of the two different kinds of reads. I just don't find it convincing. You came up with a bad plan for town, which isn't all that significant alone. But your responses to being questioned about it weren't consistent, and you've been excessively evasive in multiple interactions. And you've posted a lot without significant scum hunting beyond that dubious plan.
You can insist there's no good grounds for a scum read, but do far your approach has gotten you the in lead for lynching in a few hours.
Rather than rail against people's reads, you'd be better served to do something to act like town.
Sorry if you're actually getting upset, that isn't my intention. This is a game and I'd hope it's fun for you.
I read your explanation of the two different kinds of reads. I just don't find it convincing. You came up with a bad plan for town, which isn't all that significant alone. But your responses to being questioned about it weren't consistent, and you've been excessively evasive in multiple interactions. And you've posted a lot without significant scum hunting beyond that dubious plan.
You can insist there's no good grounds for a scum read, but do far your approach has gotten you the in lead for lynching in a few hours.
Rather than rail against people's reads, you'd be better served to do something to act like town
Sorry. I didn't mean it to be insulting or abrasive. I am on my phone which leads to me being shorter than I should.*Notes Absum's reply*
Gonna get to that, honestly liking it. My scumread for absum is def dropping. I still believe TD is a good lynch even if nani says I'm biting a fluffy cloud...GIVE ME THE SPRINKLES...right anyway I also believe Rosen lynch really isn't good, I'm just not seeing the reasons for it especially since it was started on meta-data of previous play but we honestly haven't seen enough of -Rosen's play to really justify. There's a bit I can...maybe agree with, but honestly it's...minor? Idk here. I'm still looking at TD here but I think I've let myself get to narrowed. Day ends tomorrow I think so I have less than 24 hours to look things through...urg...
I wouldn't say they've been evasive and the last point is rather abrasive. It's day 1, we have no flip, mechanical or otherwise major information to work of, meaning we either have to generate it, strawpull it, or run off gut reads at worst. Frankly telling someone "Act Town" instead of defending themselves when there really isn't a lot to push towards isn't going to be recieved well by the person your telling that on principle.
So, after reading through both their postings and looking at Cyri's reasoning, I'm mostly in agreeance that they're both suspicious, and that TD is the more suspicious one of the two. Absum's even admitted it looks bad. At this point, I'm more leaning more towards 'looks bad' on Absum's end, although my suspicion on TD has regrown from last night's despondence. I don't like how evasive they've continued to be, and I don't like them giving themselves an excuse to stall for time like they did - people are saying that's evidence of Absum being their scummate, but I actually disagree. I feel like if TD is actually scum, they wouldn't so blatantly make an excuse like that unless they want us to be more suspicious of Absum. In my head, I see a possible scenario: TD's a new player and is scum. They take some heat, Absum (who isn't on their team) defends them. They then (either of their own volition or, more likely, at the suggestion of an experienced scummate) use this as an opportunity to cast suspicion on Absum in the event they go down. However, this is just speculation, and it's not much to go off of. I've also thought Absum's recent posting has been pretty towny. So I still view the two as suspicious, just TD more so than Absum, and I don't think we can safely lynch one if the other flips scum. I struggle with reading Absum though (I usually read them as town) so once again trying to make clear my biases here. Pinging @Nictis because he wanted my thoughts and @TurtleDucks because I'd like to hear from them more before the end of the day.Your point is nulled by the person you seem to be defending now and if you have a lean scumread why are you doing nothing with it on day 1?
Okay I'm going to do a dso on Absum/TD.
PREPARE THYSELF KNAVES! HYAHHHHHH:
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qfc but glad to see newbies are doing research before diving.
Originally Dismissed this.
Hmm...memephase so NAI, thus qfc
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kek...qfc
States their guesses aren't entirely random, why? I can't really pull much from this but it comes as off and strange. The 1st part seems off but okay.
NAI I think...
Ehh...can't really garner anything from that although I feel I should have.
Again mentions what they think scum would do...but why? Theoretically I can see it being more that the vets should respond and the newbies don't have a reason to really...regardless of alignment. So why keep mentioning that?
Yeah no that is indeed just bad reasons...well I know why I couldn't get anything earlier from that statement about it not being entirely random...
Not sure what to make of this so qfc
I...is this a scumslip? I don't remember any case of Absum being scum before so this just seems so off to me.
reinforces above idea
This is sus on base value.
nai/qfc
Mhm...that last statement makes me sus for a number of reasons
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qfc...but funny.
Hmm...if this is true by any means then the townread on absum is generally unfounded imo.
Water Mill Gorge...qfc
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weird response but qfc
Not gonna lie hiding in audacity is a thing...a thing I've done a few times in the past somehow successfully. I don't recommend it. Regardless this statement is wine for the most part, and I'm sure I've seen this somewhere else although that member was town.
qfc/nai
Okay gonna just address the Ele- . . . Turtleduck in the room.
This more or less reads like a very transparent 3rd party neutral claim at best. One that can win with either scum or town. I frankly don't trust that, especially since everything up to this point was pointing at this kind of claim and later they backpedal on it saying their town despite what they've greatly hinted at earlier. But...(Cuts to later-)
Yes.
Hmm. . . I can't say this isn't a good post because it is imo. Not much real content but it does give a good vibe.
Now here is where it gets weird...this looks like outside deflection off Turtleducks. If it was alone I would have passed it up honestly.
More of saying what scum would likely do
Except if people are actually being random on it, it shouldn't be analyzable.
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Hints at survivors, seems like possible set-up for TurtleDucks later and an excuse to immediately believe him.
forgot what this was in regards to and I'm work lazy atm so qfc.
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Hmm...idk.
Further...pushing for: Don't lynch me you'll regret it, believe me I'm everyone's friend!
qfc (Non-Alignment Indicative)
Random lynch thrown at me from the blue. I believe it was Even who asked for reasonings
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Blatantly said: I'm voting you because your voting this guy that I like for some unknown reason(essentially a omgus vote at best which is still sus)
Just some general advice: You should always give your reasonings for putting down a lynch vote, even if they are minor and insignificant.
Basically prepping to say I'll believe whatever TD throws out because yeah.
qfc(I see what happened)
An again: Wait for my teammate to give a constructed excuse that I can build constructed reads off of. Or at least how I'm reading this given everything else.
qfc(I forgot what this was relation too)
Did your ISO on who? Now I'm curious and I didn't see Nanimani chaosposting at all. . .
Hmm...
Nai / qfc
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Here is where they backpedal on all the hinting they've been dropping, which makes me feel someone said: Stop leaking all over the place, but then proceed to go: Yeah I'm town and this here is town too I'm certain. On day 1...both already said they weren't in any form of Quicktopic so there is nothing this can be properly founded on so yeah, this reads bad.
Quick to respond and deflect by throwing shade onto me for my attempt to lure scum and then openly deflect off Turtle by pointing out: Hey this guy is a new player probably everything is alright and even admits why this whole thing looks bad.
I already addressed this above actually so no need to re-address especially since you seem to be fully willing to ignore what TurtleDucks has pushed out regarding their reasonings.
Okay so....WHAT? Why would you give scum advice!? Seriously?
End result:
My highest scum reads are TurtleDucks and Absum together. They're being way too Buddy-Buddy and with absum's deflections I really don't like this even more. I generally apply newbie protection but this is a bit far on the chain for me to just ignore.
@DimensionalGuy at a whopping four posts and a mention that they don't say much unless they feel they have something to say. Well, do ya, punk?
It may slow down the game a bit, but it also makes Mafia more manageable on people with schedules (like myself) so I am entirely in favor of the adoption of this new system.I guess with the set start time, the game is going to be basically shutdown for town until next Sunday, right? We can't discuss the game outside the thread and night actions won't be visible, so we just have to wait and see what the results are next week?
Oh yeah, not a complaint. Mostly just trying to make sure I wasn't overlooking something townies are expected to do over night. I don't want to mess up my first play through more than I can help.It may slow down the game a bit, but it also makes Mafia more manageable on people with schedules (like myself) so I am entirely in favor of the adoption of this new system.
If you have the time, you could always try to use the stillness to read back on posts and get an argument together for what you see, though your argument may change depending on the night's results.Oh yeah, not a complaint. Mostly just trying to make sure I wasn't overlooking something townies are expected to do over night. I don't want to mess up my first play through more than I can help.
Thanks for the advice.If you have the time, you could always try to use the stillness to read back on posts and get an argument together for what you see, though your argument may change depending on the night's results.
If you do prepare an argument, watch yourself so you don't accidentally post it in the middle of the Night Phase. In between the integrity of the "No Night Posting" rule and the "No deleting posts" rule, the "No deleting posts" rule is supreme so anything you say will have to be kept out there.
This seems like preemtively excusing odd behavior, which might indicate an intent to behave oddly.Yeah, my play throws people off because I'm completely unorganized and often have no clue what I'm doing. I've struggled with engagement in a lot of my games, and typically will post about things I feel strongly about rather than actually following an agenda. This kinda throws people off because they try and figure out if it's genuine or staged. Plus, I often end up bandwagoning and not participating much for stretches, which adds to the suspicion. This is my ninth game of Mafia, and I haven't been scum yet. I've kinda been wearing my heart on my sleeve because of that. Leaves a lot to read into.
More of the above.OFC now that I've explained all that I was gonna actually try and take notes this game so that could completely throw my play off and get me lynched soooo...
This strikes me as very strongly town indicative. That Merovin might think they're scum is unlikely to occur to scum, and scum attempting to fake this without seeing a town role risk exposing themselves.Ok! Thankfully it turns out that despite the factional flavor and the people of Merovin are town, so I'm not actually the most bizarre scum role ever. Makes the game much easier, although it does render my prior notes somewhat useless lol.
This is a total nonanswer to a question which should have an answer.@Nictis You don't need to know my preferred roles; that will become more apparent the more I play here. I'd rather people figure that out on their own than have me say it outright.
This could be taken as scum indicative, for failing to grasp the situation with QTesseract?Ummm? What do you mean here? It reads like you read your role and wasn't sure if you were town or if it was multiple factions, but now you somehow know you're town? I'm confused.
This reads town to me. It'd be an odd way to fake town, which makes it more likely to be town, which makes it a better way to fake town...I mean, my basic response to all those questions is 'I have no clue', and i'm pretty sure that, despite an unfortunate role name, I'm not scum.
So this is the start of some real fun times, covered in the spoiler below.Well the first one is kind of almost admitting to being mafia. If they're going to do a better job of being hard to accurately read this game, and they are claiming to be town... kind of suggests they aren't actually town.
The second one is much hazier. It just seemed unnecessarily cagy for a very neutral question that wasn't even about this particular game. It's probably just a joke, but it seems kind of twitchy. "The wicked flee when no man pursueth" and all that. I am sure I am reading too much into things, but until we get some votes or actions to analyze, parsing people's comments is all we have to go on. The first one is a lot more concerning.
This seems to indicate that Nictis knows something?Making it a bit too obvious there Turtle, although I suppose that works out for you.
Actual reads! The reads on Meso and me are both wrong, in that I preempted the "wagon" with a memevote and Meso actually started that wagon, but they really don't seem to be maliciously wrong.Reads so far (or, "1K fumbles with notetaking")...
- Mesonoxian - Is acting pretty friendly, not sure if trying to buddy up with people or if it's genuine. Has seemed generally impressionable. They're a new player, so I'm reading this as genuine. Need to keep watch to see if anyone's leading them astray, and if I'd warn Meso to not sheep as much (although some sheeping is expected if you're a beginner). Scum will try and be your friend. Be aware of that.
- -Rosen - Doing weird stuff as usual. I agree that they're somewhat sus, but the arguments Nictis lays out don't convince me, so unless I get a better grip on what they're doing/trying to do, they're probably staying in my null category. One thing I've noted is that they seem to be pretty deliberate and careful with their posting even when not scum, so I'm worried I'm missing the reasoning.
- Look to the Left - Needs to post more.
- Cyricubed - Was my mason buddy last game, and probably the person who knows my play the best. Unfortunately, I still am not very good at reading them, so while I like what they've posted so far, but I'm unsure if my town lean on them is just leftover from being their teammate. I nearly always townread them to my recollection. Their lynch vote seems decently weak, but it is day 1.
- PyrrosWarrior - Needs to post more.
- Est - I don't really have a strong read on Est, which worries me a little based on their post count. Clearly still adapting to SV's ruleset.
- QTesseract - I don't think anything they've posted so far has been alignment indicative, but I can't read QT for shit. They're usually pretty analytical.
- InterstellarHobo - I don't like the wagon they joined, so I'm a little suspicious. They're a new player though, so some sheeping is expected. Hasn't posted too much.
- 1KBestK
- Nanimani - Did a fair bit of meming, not done much of actual value yet. Effectively no real content so far.
- TurtleDucks - New player, having fun acting sus. I don't like the lynch on them. Their behavior has been pretty coy, but not really in a way I'd consider alignment indicative. They definitely like their wine, though. Claims not in a QT. Just made a weird vote on Cyri... Unsure.
- Nictis - Claims to have a role that gives them knowledge that makes them believe that we should keep information tighter than normal. Started a pretty unconvincing Rosen wagon. Generally being townread and I'm townreading them to some degree, but I'm worried they're gonna lead us astray.
- Happerry - Needs to post more.
- DimensionalGuy - Needs to post more. I have a bad feeling about them, but I'm 90% sure that's because I really don't like their avatar.
- BanTheFairyKing - I like them arguing against the Rosen wagon, but not much else besides that to talk about. Needs to post more actual content.
- Absum - I can't read Absum very well, TBH.
- Evenstar - I'm bad at reading Evenstar, but this whole neighborhood thing kinda has me flipflopping. I'm mostly leaning towards town, although I really don't agree with the vote on TD. Has been a town leader as usual, which is always going to make me suspicious.
Honestly, I'm no closer to a lynch vote than I was when I started putting this together.
Ok so this (and the subsequent lynch vote on me) is the only thing that made me seriously suspect -Rosen, as it read like an attempt to deflect the lynch.Wolfish post. Going for informational lynches is a bad look as they have a primary assumption in mind (i.e Scum!Rosen = Town!Nictis/Evenstar; Scum!Absum = Suspicious Turtle/Ban) where it ends up being the pretense for a vote, rather than suspicion itself.
Where TD essentially says "I wanna be lynched." It's possible TD was only trying to say "I'm not acting like mafia or town so I'm obviously a third party"Alright, I'll treat this a bit more seriously for the moment. It should be apparent that I have been deliberately going out of my way to draw attention to myself and make myself seem suspicious. If I am town, this is a bad idea because it will alienate me from my allies and turn them against me. If I am scum, it's also a bad idea because I am throwing myself blatantly into the spotlike and making myself to obvious. And yet I've chosen to paint a target on my back.
I appreciate the townread but you at minimum you shouldn't townread me so strongly off of just that. I was pretty sure Merovin was scum before the game started, so I'd be having at least some of those thoughts as genuine scum. I don't think it would be to the same extent, so you're not wrong about it being town play, but you shouldn't fully townlock me off it.