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To Establish Peace - A Romance of the Three Kingdoms Quest

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Void Stalker said:
--[X] [Cavalry] Lingqi half of the Cav are to be further out on the right and a bit forward split from the main force to be aimed at the enemy cav at an angle
--[X] [Cavalry] Mounted Scouts are to harrass the enemy cav facing ours and attempt to get them to break and charge them by way of shooting them full of arrows
--[X] [Cavalry] Our Cav will engage if the enemy commits to the advance or if we pull the section we are facing away from the main enemy unit
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Not that I don't like the idea but:

Gaz said:
[] Cavalry] I have a better idea for the cavalry! Write in. 50 words or less.
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Combined, your written in elements are over the 50 word limit, 86 words in fact.
 
Japanime said:
Combined, your written in elements are over the 50 word limit, 86 words in fact.
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Welp. Guess we can't vote for that.

[X] Plan Turn the Flank
Adhoc vote count started by Spazerr on May 9, 2019 at 9:17 PM, finished with 143 posts and 30 votes.
  • [X] Plan Superior Range
    -[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    --[X] [Cavalry] Cavalry only to charge after the enemy has been forced to engage us by our ranged units.
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] All archer units in the centre, crossbows on the left. Both behind the infantry.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Sub-Officer Usage
    --[X] Zhang Liao to command the Left Flank with Gong Su aiding him.
    --[X] Zhu Fang to command the centre with Mu Shun aiding him.
    --[X] Yu Zhong to command the ranged units with Cao Xing aiding him.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us.
    [X] Plan Turn the Flank
    -[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] Position them at the very back of your army, and fire over the heads of the rest of your infantry. They should be safe here, but accuracy may be impaired.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Sub-Officer Usage
    --[X] Zhang Liao and Mu Shun to anchor the left flank, specifically commanding the units of the Liang 1st Levy and Ce Family Irregulars, fighting among them.
    --[X] Zhu Fang to command the center with Gong Su aiding him, specifically commanding on foot among the Boar's Chargers.
    --[X] Yu Zhong and Cao Xing to command the ranged units, with Cao Xing firing among the Sharpshooters and helping them with accuracy, while Yu Zhong adjusts their fire.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us in the cavalry charge with command of her own units.
    [X] Plan Baiting the Enemy
    -[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    --[X] [Cavalry] Lingqi detachment are split to the right and a bit forward from our force facing the enemy cav at an angle
    --[X] [Cavalry] Mounted Scouts harass the enemy cav facing ours tempting them to charge
    --[X] [Cavalry] Cav engages if enemy commits to advance or if enemy cav pulls away from enemy infantry
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] All archer units in the centre, crossbows on the left. Archer units to be placed in front of the Infantry and fire freely until the enemy begins to engage, at which point they are to retreat behind the infantry and continue to fire over them. Crossbows to be placed behind the (Left) Infantry.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Sub-Officer Usage
    --[X] Zhang Liao to command the Left Flank with Gong Su aiding him.
    --[X] Zhu Fang to command the centre with Mu Shun aiding him.
    --[X] Yu Zhong to command the ranged units with Cao Xing aiding him.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us.
    [X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    [X] [Infantry] I have a better idea for the infantry! Write in. 50 words or less. Boar chargers direct center with Zhu, have them charge in, with other infantry with our spears on their flanks.
    [X] [Ranged] Place them behind your frontlines in your centre, and have them fire over the first ranks.
    [X] [Liang Shu] Be amongst the front ranks of your infantry to inspire the men. Charge in with Zhu and the infantry
    [X] Plan Firing then Charge
    -[X] [Cavalry] Split them evenly between both flanks. Defeat the enemy cavalries than join together for a concentrated charge to opening.
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] Place them behind your frontlines in your centre, and have them fire over the first ranks.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Write in a general plan for how to use your Sub-Officers. Include any units you wish to put under the direct command of certain people.
    --[X] Zhang Liao leading Left Flank.
    --[X] Zhu Fang leading center.
    --[X] Gong Su & Mu Shun leading right flank.
    --[X] Cao Xing and Yu Zhong leading the range units.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to lead the cavalry front not lead by Liang Shu.
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[X] Plan Superior Range

Few voters because it's harder to think about than usual?

Edit: Vote changed.
 
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I think there's a big failing with Plan Baiting the Enemy. We only have 10 mounted scouts and this is their first time fighting on horseback. They aren't going to be very effective horse archers because effective horse archers need numbers to constantly cycle in and out and training to fire accurately and timely.

Between Superior Range and Firing Then Charge I think Superior Range is better for a couple of reasons. It doesn't leave any of our officers alone without a backup like Zhu Fang holding the center all on his own. And It doesn't split our cavalry, possibly denying us a chance to use our veterans and higher quality equipment to overwhelm a flank for envelopment or destruction in detail.

The one problem I have with Superior Range is that we haven't ever really trained mixed unit tactics or signalling or anything that would make advancing infantry through retreating archers work. I foresee delays, wasted volleys, panic, or worse.

Plan Turn The Flank is what I see as the best one we have going and so:

[X] Plan Turn the Flank
-[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
-[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
-[X] [Ranged] Position them at the very back of your army, and fire over the heads of the rest of your infantry. They should be safe here, but accuracy may be impaired.
-[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
-[X] Sub-Officer Usage
--[X] Zhang Liao and Mu Shun to anchor the left flank, specifically commanding the units of the Liang 1st Levy and Ce Family Irregulars, fighting among them.
--[X] Zhu Fang to command the center with Gong Su aiding him, specifically commanding on foot among the Boar's Chargers.
--[X] Yu Zhong and Cao Xing to command the ranged units, with Cao Xing firing among the Sharpshooters and helping them with accuracy, while Yu Zhong adjusts their fire.
--[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us in the cavalry charge with command of her own units.
 
[X] Plan Turn the Flank
Adhoc vote count started by Shorticus on May 9, 2019 at 4:16 AM, finished with 11667 posts and 23 votes.
  • [X] Plan Turn the Flank
    -[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] Position them at the very back of your army, and fire over the heads of the rest of your infantry. They should be safe here, but accuracy may be impaired.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Sub-Officer Usage
    --[X] Zhang Liao and Mu Shun to anchor the left flank, specifically commanding the units of the Liang 1st Levy and Ce Family Irregulars, fighting among them.
    --[X] Zhu Fang to command the center with Gong Su aiding him, specifically commanding on foot among the Boar's Chargers.
    --[X] Yu Zhong and Cao Xing to command the ranged units, with Cao Xing firing among the Sharpshooters and helping them with accuracy, while Yu Zhong adjusts their fire.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us in the cavalry charge with command of her own units.
    [X] Plan Superior Range
    -[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    --[X] [Cavalry] Cavalry only to charge after the enemy has been forced to engage us by our ranged units.
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] All archer units in the centre, crossbows on the left. Archer units to be placed in front of the Infantry and fire freely until the enemy begins to engage, at which point they are to retreat behind the infantry and continue to fire over them. Crossbows to be placed behind the (Left) Infantry.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Sub-Officer Usage
    --[X] Zhang Liao to command the Left Flank with Gong Su aiding him.
    --[X] Zhu Fang to command the centre with Mu Shun aiding him.
    --[X] Yu Zhong to command the ranged units with Cao Xing aiding him.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us.
    [X] Plan Baiting the Enemy
    -[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    --[X] [Cavalry] Lingqi detachment are split to the right and a bit forward from our force facing the enemy cav at an angle
    --[X] [Cavalry] Mounted Scouts harass the enemy cav facing ours tempting them to charge
    --[X] [Cavalry] Cav engages if enemy commits to advance or if enemy cav pulls away from enemy infantry
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] All archer units in the centre, crossbows on the left. Archer units to be placed in front of the Infantry and fire freely until the enemy begins to engage, at which point they are to retreat behind the infantry and continue to fire over them. Crossbows to be placed behind the (Left) Infantry.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Sub-Officer Usage
    --[X] Zhang Liao to command the Left Flank with Gong Su aiding him.
    --[X] Zhu Fang to command the centre with Mu Shun aiding him.
    --[X] Yu Zhong to command the ranged units with Cao Xing aiding him.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us.
    [X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
    [X] [Infantry] I have a better idea for the infantry! Write in. 50 words or less. Boar chargers direct center with Zhu, have them charge in, with other infantry with our spears on their flanks.
    [X] [Ranged] Place them behind your frontlines in your centre, and have them fire over the first ranks.
    [X] [Liang Shu] Be amongst the front ranks of your infantry to inspire the men. Charge in with Zhu and the infantry
    [X] Plan Firing then Charge
    -[X] [Cavalry] Split them evenly between both flanks. Defeat the enemy cavalries than join together for a concentrated charge to opening.
    -[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
    -[X] [Ranged] Place them behind your frontlines in your centre, and have them fire over the first ranks.
    -[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
    -[X] Write in a general plan for how to use your Sub-Officers. Include any units you wish to put under the direct command of certain people.
    --[X] Zhang Liao leading Left Flank.
    --[X] Zhu Fang leading center.
    --[X] Gong Su & Mu Shun leading right flank.
    --[X] Cao Xing and Yu Zhong leading the range units.
    --[X] Lu Lingqi to lead the cavalry front not lead by Liang Shu.
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GAZman said:
The one problem I have with Superior Range is that we haven't ever really trained mixed unit tactics or signalling or anything that would make advancing infantry through retreating archers work. I foresee delays, wasted volleys, panic, or worse.
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Considering that placing archers in front of the infantry, then pulling them back once the enemy gets close is one of the default choices we have for what to do with ranged units, I think it's safe to assume our troops know how to do that.
@Gaz Am I right on this?
 
aledeth said:
Considering that placing archers in front of the infantry, then pulling them back once the enemy gets close is one of the default choices we have for what to do with ranged units, I think it's safe to assume our troops know how to do that.
@Gaz Am I right on this?
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Yeah, assuming you have officers in command of those units
 
GAZman said:
I think there's a big failing with Plan Baiting the Enemy. We only have 10 mounted scouts and this is their first time fighting on horseback. They aren't going to be very effective horse archers because effective horse archers need numbers to constantly cycle in and out and training to fire accurately and timely.

Between Superior Range and Firing Then Charge I think Superior Range is better for a couple of reasons. It doesn't leave any of our officers alone without a backup like Zhu Fang holding the center all on his own. And It doesn't split our cavalry, possibly denying us a chance to use our veterans and higher quality equipment to overwhelm a flank for envelopment or destruction in detail.

The one problem I have with Superior Range is that we haven't ever really trained mixed unit tactics or signalling or anything that would make advancing infantry through retreating archers work. I foresee delays, wasted volleys, panic, or worse.

Plan Turn The Flank is what I see as the best one we have going and so:

[X] Plan Turn the Flank
-[X] [Cavalry] Place them all on your right flank. Have them chase off the enemy horsemen on that side, and expose the bandit left flank/rear to a hammer blow. Place more spearmen on your left flank to deter their cavalry.
-[X] [Infantry] Hold fast and allow the enemy to come to you.
-[X] [Ranged] Position them at the very back of your army, and fire over the heads of the rest of your infantry. They should be safe here, but accuracy may be impaired.
-[X] [Liang Shu] Personally lead your cavalry, as you always have done before.
-[X] Sub-Officer Usage
--[X] Zhang Liao and Mu Shun to anchor the left flank, specifically commanding the units of the Liang 1st Levy and Ce Family Irregulars, fighting among them.
--[X] Zhu Fang to command the center with Gong Su aiding him, specifically commanding on foot among the Boar's Chargers.
--[X] Yu Zhong and Cao Xing to command the ranged units, with Cao Xing firing among the Sharpshooters and helping them with accuracy, while Yu Zhong adjusts their fire.
--[X] Lu Lingqi to aid us in the cavalry charge with command of her own units.
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Baiting the Enemy is not relying on the mounted scouts to draw off the cav that is only one of the two baits of the plan, the other bait is Lingqi's off set deployment away from the rest of our force. That is trying to force a dilemma on the enemy cav opposing her and Shu, do we go after the unit with no infantry support off by itself a bit, or do we move with our infantry towards Shu, exposing our flank to Lingqi. Or do the enemy go after Lingqi in which case they have given Shu a flank to charge. I also hope that between having the mounted scouts and the Lingqi detachment separated from the main force that one of the two will be tempting enough to get the bandit cav we are facing to charge early and fast, separating from their infantry so that we have time to beat them before the infantry clash. Against a disciplined army this would not work, however these are bandits and as good of fighters as they are I don't think they will be the most disciplined.

I would rather take the attempt then just keep our cav next to our infantry and not try and force the enemy into an early charge because even though we likely have better quality our infantry are outnumbered and bad and that can tell. So we need to free our cav to act against their infantry as quick as possible, which means defeating a cav attachment.

Plus the scouts just need to poke the enemy cav enough to annoy them, I am not expecting them to pull a parthian shot or cantarian circle manuver. Stand and shoot, then turn and run if the enemy cav heads there way. There is another reason to attach the mounted scouts to our cav force of Lingqi and Su, which is to allow them to be with us when facing Zuo which means that we have some guys that can actually shoot at their elite units with no obstructions, also they will be useful if we get any of their polearm infantry forming a line, one or two volleys should disrupt it and they do not have a lot of spears and other polearms amongst their infantry but it will give our cava a bit more of an edge in any engagement.

Turn the Flank suffers from giving Zhang Liao the better sub commander when he is our best commander and fighter on the field, our centre is going to need to hold as well so it should be Zhang Liao-Gong Su and Zhu Fang-Mu Shun
 
Icefyre said:
Few voters because it's harder to think about than usual?
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The moratorium ended at 1:30am for those of us in the UK so it's expected there'd be fewer votes until everyone gets online again today.

@Gaz I assume this is the case, but wanted to clarify, if a plan says that Zhu Fang is to 'command the center' can we assume the center Infantry are under his direct command or do we need to specifically say include any units we want to put under his direct command.

Also guys, right now only one plan even mentions specific units. Not placing our units to get the maximum benefit seems unwise.
 
Which is the least complicated plan? Since no plan survives contact with the enemy and all that plus i'm a big believer in 'keep it simple, stupid' in this kind of Quests.
 
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