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Digimon Inheritance: A Heroic Lion's Turbulent Times (Finished)
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[X] Divert your strike: The honorable decision here is to accept the surrender... Albeit with some caution to avoid being sucker-punched. Like by that one Goblimon.
Well, we do know that Digidestined sufficiently in tune with their aligned virtue can spontaneously manifest the appropriate crest out of thin air.
drexal15
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Kind of yes, but not in the same way as the others.
Verge's personal actions and thoughts won't trigger the colour only rare special occasions involving Sparks.
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Squawk.
Squawk.
Vacuum.
I think you meant foes here, and also there are image links to the Karatenmon image right next on both sides of the bolded word.
Parrotmon.
Why do you have an apostrophe here?
I think you meant Paw here.
Again Squawk is the proper spelling here.
Also the vote
[X] Divert your strike: The honorable decision here is to accept the surrender... Albeit with some caution to avoid being sucker-punched. Like by that one Goblimon.
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drexal15 This has been on my mind since you told us about it, and it but it is possible for Verge to diagonal digivolve into a stronger champion? I recall you telling us how it is possible for a Devimon to digivolve into IceDevimon by spending time on a cold environment or becoming stronger.
I also recall you saying that one of the digivolution requirements for Tactimon is absorbing the Regretful and residual souls of thousand-year-old Warrior Digimon's data, plus what you told us about loading a Growlmon's data which meant that absorbing certain data could influence Verge's evolution.
I recently read Duskmon - Wikimon - The #1 Digimon wiki and noticed this on his profile "The regret of various extinct species of Digimon and the "Forbidden Data" on the Net transformed into intense dark energy, and coalesced into Duskmon."
I simply want to know if absorbing "The regret of various extinct species of Digimon and the "Forbidden Data" or just either of the two, could push Verge to diagonal digivolve into Duskmon, or if absorbing more Growlmons push Verge to diagonal digivolve into the mystery digimon you told us was possible.
Basically I would like to know if Verge can diagonal digivolve at all?
Edit: Can't believe it took me this long to put two and two together, or that no one asked about this when you told us that diagonal digivolving is possible.
I also recall you saying that one of the digivolution requirements for Tactimon is absorbing the Regretful and residual souls of thousand-year-old Warrior Digimon's data, plus what you told us about loading a Growlmon's data which meant that absorbing certain data could influence Verge's evolution.
I recently read Duskmon - Wikimon - The #1 Digimon wiki and noticed this on his profile "The regret of various extinct species of Digimon and the "Forbidden Data" on the Net transformed into intense dark energy, and coalesced into Duskmon."
I simply want to know if absorbing "The regret of various extinct species of Digimon and the "Forbidden Data" or just either of the two, could push Verge to diagonal digivolve into Duskmon, or if absorbing more Growlmons push Verge to diagonal digivolve into the mystery digimon you told us was possible.
Basically I would like to know if Verge can diagonal digivolve at all?
Edit: Can't believe it took me this long to put two and two together, or that no one asked about this when you told us that diagonal digivolving is possible.
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drexal15
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That is a lot to ask about. Hmm... I'll have to go with a firm no on the subject of Verge slide digivolving into something else from champion. Gryzmon doesn't really have an equivalent to IceDevimon and Verge's limits as a champion are already pretty darn ridiculous.
Growlmon and variants are also out since Verge already hit champion. And they wouldn't be stronger than his current form in any case.
As for Duskmon, Verge really doesn't have the stats or personality for him.
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Wait we could have been Duskmon, Awesome!!! so is there any chance that loading what was said on his file could allow us to bypass those restrictions or at least the personality restriction? Because that would be so cool!
Also idle thought, what is Duskmon's base stats? if you're willing to indulge a guy.
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So that's a no then... Sigh so no chance of a Duskmon protagonist, like Sechs... Well that's disappointing.
drexal15
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It was possible in only the vaguest sense. There was no real way for Verge to reach that form given the plot.
Duskmon's stats... he'd be one of theoretically strongest LW champions in caps at least. Pretty fast and crazy though. Mid-high strength, and decent spirit/special. Of course for a LW that's still wickedly high.
While Duskmon would have been fun, it doesn't fit Verge very much as a character.
Edit: Heh, Duskmon would basically have been possible if this had primarily been a Alt universe villain quest.
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Just an idea but I can see a fair bit of similarities between Gryzmon and Duskmon, in terms of how some personality traits have similar properties to the others, Duskmon's dignity and perfectionism can translate from Gryzmon's martial artist honor, as well as grace and training habits. The cruelty and callousness I can be explained by Verge's experience.
See I can translate how a Duskmon Verge can have a mostly similar personality to Gryzmon Verge, here is the idea the dignity can come from Gryzmon's martial arts grace and honor, while the perfectionism can come from Gryzmon's affinity for training and Verge's desire to grow stronger. The callousness and cruelty I can explain as Verge's Wrath directed at Repulsa and the Count as well as the Count's cronies.
See here's how I see Duskmon Verge, basically mostly similar to Gryzmon Verge but more noble in his bearing, I mean in the show Duskmon was loyal to his master so he wasn't incapable of loyalty, so no problems there, Duskmon Verge would still train because of his perfectionism so it's similar to Gryzmon Verge, and as for the Callousness and Cruelty I see it as callousness to his enemies and the cruelty as hatred and wrath directed at Count and Repulsa.
I think I could make more detailed arguments about this, but I want to hear your thoughts and opinions first so I will know if you don't want to hear about it drexal15.
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So is there no chance of me persuading you, even if I can make an in character justification, or a reasonable Duskmon Verge personality which is could be explained by Verge's history and current personality traits?
Also apologies if I'm being annoying, but Duskmon is one of favorite digimon, and that's why I'm making arguments, because when the possibility of a Duskmon Verge is available I thought to try my best, before giving up.
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drexal15
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Nah, I applaud your speculation and willingness to discuss such things. It does my heart good to know you care this much.
I'm sorry, but it's just not possible for this incarnation of Verge.
While it's wholly possible to draw parallels between some of Gryzmon and Duskmon's traits, the main roadblocks lay not in the species but in Verge himself. Sure there are some similarities, but the differences are too overwhelming. A lot of it actually stems from stuff all the way back in character creation and how Verges personality was built.
Verge is at his core a Kind individual. He's never actually liked seeing others in pain, or hurting his fellow mon. Yes as a Gryzmon he's started to like fighting, and so much death has somewhat vaccinated him from the cringe but the sight of massacres still effects him. Which is something that really won't ever change.
His Wrath furthermore expresses itself in classical fury and along the lines of berserker rages. It doesn't really work for callous cruelty.
There's also his Devotion to consider. Primarily to Flamemon/Agnimon. Verge's worldview was changed a lot thanks to his relationship with the now deceased legendary warrior, and his whole thing about "I will become a hero in his place" runs entirely counter to Duskmon. Who's very profile mentions that he's evil. Something else a bit small is the pride/arrogance. Verge doesn't have nearly enough for Duskmon. He's confident in his ability to fight, but it's minor compared to the amount Duskmon has.
Lastly, there's the evolution line itself to consider. Verge's transformation to champion cut off potential paths to other forms. For example he can't become a Digmon, Gladimon or Dorulumon anymore. Edit: The same kind of thing applies here. As without use of a spirit, Duskmon is considered a champion evolution.
[X] Change your strike: Attempt to knock Parrotmon out with a hopefully non-lethal punch. Once it's unconscious you'll be able to ask your superiors about this subject.
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Alright.
Actually have an argument about that, and now this might be biased of my different thought processes and opinions, but I can see how both his Kind trait and his Devotion trait could lead him to some directed form of Cruelty and Callousness, and by directed I mean laser focused on The Count, Repulsa, and the Count's cronies, I can even see some possible in story character development that could lead to it.
So first it is known that Verge is infected with Ardat's Lust Fragment, which could lead to Verge acting on his dark impulses, Second the fact that Lunamon and Thresh are working and fighting for the Count, is definitely going to enrage Verge to new levels of Wrath so I see some possible interpretations.
Here is how I see it because of Verge's Kindness trait which is basically his capacity for Compassion and his Devotion trait, seeing Luna and Thresh working for the Count as Champions is going to trigger his Wrath like nothing else, because it would mean they've suffered, as becoming Champions requires raising stats, which they could only gain through training or loading digimons, and because Verge hates the Count and knows Repulsa's personality, Verge is going to assume the worst, and if he doesn't see Auger and the spiderboys, he might assume Luna and Thresh might have been forced to load them.
All of this plus Ardat's Lust fragment, giving him darker impulses, I can see giving directions to Verge's Wrath to transform it into a desire to inflict cruelty upon the Count and Repulsa, to repay them for their lists of crimes against him, but that's just my opinion.
For the evil part in Duskmon's profile, yeah I have no argument for that, and I have no desire to play Verge as evil and so I want to ignore that, and I was hoping that part could be ignored, I was hoping to play as a heroic Duskmon like Sechs. For the arrogance/pride part, Duskmon doesn't have that, what he has is dignity, similar but totally different things.
As for this I actually thought Verge can diagonally digivolve into Duskmon because it is stronger than Gryzmon, and I thought diagonal digivolution is simply a champion digivolving into a stronger champion form.
Edit: This took so long to type because on an error that caused the page to refresh itself deleting my progress, and forcing me to start over.
Also here's the definition of dignity: formal reserve or seriousness of manner, appearance, or language, and the quality or state of being worthy, honored, or esteemed. Quite different from Pride/Arrogance, and similar to Gryzmon Verge's current personality.
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A thing to note is diagonally digivolving isn't simply becoming a stronger champion, but more like becoming a stronger variant of what you already are.
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So stronger variant of a champion, doesn't that mean only Devimon's have diagonal digivolution? I mean most of the Black variants are either Virus versions of the original digimon, Black Digitron induced, or in the case of BlackGuilmon line, just more feral versions of Guilmon?
I mean there really are no other champions I can name, that has stronger champion variants.
So why is diagonal digivolution named as such if only Devimons can access it.
It might as well be called icification if there's only one species capable of it.
Does using digimentals to digivolve into stronger champions count as diagonal digivolution?
So if there any other champions with stronger champion variants?
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drexal15
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@Zwart Jaeger
As a note, the corruption from Ardat is not a *Dark* type thing. It focuses on enhancing his personal wants. (I.e. lusts)
Though there is another example (albeit in the ultimate class) in Monzaemon becoming WaruMonzeamon.
However I'll point out that with digimental it's possibke to have that diagonal type evolution as well.
As a note, the corruption from Ardat is not a *Dark* type thing. It focuses on enhancing his personal wants. (I.e. lusts)
I don't know what to tell you man. It's what's canon to the overall series. Not much to do about it.
Though there is another example (albeit in the ultimate class) in Monzaemon becoming WaruMonzeamon.
However I'll point out that with digimental it's possibke to have that diagonal type evolution as well.
Elemental variants of most digimon exist I'm pretty sure. Just that sliding into them is hard.
The whole thing here is incomprehensible unfortunately.
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Fair enough, and I suppose Omegamon Zwart can be considered a Diagonal Digivolution considering the straight upgrade he got.
Here's the summary Ardat's shard pushes him towards desires, Luna and Thresh working for the Count would enrage him, Luna and Thresh are champions, Digimon can only digivolve into Champions through training and/or loading digimons, Verge hates The Count and Repulsa, Verge knows Repulsa is a sadistic digimon, so Verge assumes the worst, which can be worsened if Auger and the Spiderboys are dead.
So wrath can be transformed into a desire to inflict cruelty against the Count and Repulsa.
Compassion and Devotion are directed at Luna and Thresh, and so would only fuel Verge's Wrath at the Count and Lunamon.
That is basically my justification for how Verge could possess Cruelty and Callousness.
There's also some versions that don't involve an actual change in power, such as Angemon -> Devimon.
I guess Pidmon -> Devimon would be diagonal though.
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Angemon to Devimon is a slide digivolution, though the Pidmon to Angemon is a diagonal digivolution.
So it seems like the Hosts has the short end of the stick in terms of diagonal digivolution, Pidmon can diagonal digivolve into Angemon who is roughly equal to Devimon, meanwhile the Gloaming has Devimon able to diagonal digivolve into IceDevimon, which is stronger than Angemon.
I can't recall any elemental variants aside from IceDevimon, and the Aegiochusmon variants, MarineDevimon doesn't count since he is an ultimate evolution, unless MarineDevimon is similar to IceDevimon and is stronger than NeoDevimon.