DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
Could turn into a contest of Sun Liling hunting Ling Qi again though.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Could turn into a contest of Sun Liling hunting Ling Qi again though.
Going 'Shen Hu totally choose to get mauled by a cyan+ entity and Ling Qi should respect his choice' is a really weird take???
Shen Hu explicitly went to protect the mortals both because it was the right thing to do, and because he didn't want to involve himself in the high level stuff. Moreover, both Shen Hu and Ling Qi treated the dream as real and thought that death has meaning (and indeed we saw Shen Hu wounds in the waking world).
Ling Qi choosing the boon while being fully aware that she might have killed Shen Hu with her choice (or was complicit in his death) is the thing that rattled her, with the excuse of 'well I have only known him for a couple of days' while knowing full well that it was bunk.
Like, I don't think you grasp how Ling Qi felt during this entire event?
BungieONI
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*glances at most recent demerit Ling Qi got, and how Sun also got a similar harrowing personal experience*
I'm not sure. I expect her to challenge for sure, but after Meizhen beat her and seeing actual hard proof such defeats can affect cultivation in the King of the Forest I've begun to theorize that she may be facing cultivation issues. There's also the whole... "way" (finger quotes) the challenges are set up, they don't feed her cultivation as well as the outer sect did. She'll probably be doing a lot more exploring to make up for that.
*shrug* We could, and probably would, but it's not exactly certain she wouldn't challenge Ling Qi anyway. We don't know a whole lot about her skillset, but we do know she's pretty good at the whole hunting thing which has some overlap with Ling Qi's stealth portfolio and she doesn't know for sure what Ling Qi would pick. Also it's not exactly impossible to bait Ling Qi into a specific challenge type.
Basically treat it as the idea she doesn't know what we know, and from her view point might have a chance in theory. That in theory is why we can't rule her out.
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[X] Disciples 802-814
deadcrystal
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I suspect it's a case that you can be an asshole with the contest and choose something really obscure that no-one but you has a chance at.
It's just that if you do, then people will know you do that and stop challenging you.
And if you don't get challenges that's a major source of points gone, and good fucking luck progressing up the ranks with no points.
Again though we don't choose from anything we want.
We choose from options provided by the Sect official that is presumably curated to be reasonable.
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I'm really rather sure it's not like that. Challenge selection is governed by rule 6 "6. Upon acceptance of a challenge, the disciple of superior rank will be given a choice of challenge types to pick from by the Official or Elder providing oversight to the challenge." and the officials have no reason to offer inane challenges irrelevant to the values of the sect and the needs of the Empire.
BungieONI
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I'll point out that we get a selection of challenges from the Official or Elder. We don't get free reign to pick willy nilly.
Well with that in mind, combat's probably always on the list, along with a few skills, presumably ones both disciples have so that there's a competition. So if Liling challenged us, stealth would probably be on the list, but not music unless it turns out she knows how to play an instrument.
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[x] Disciples 815-825
Any of them is a rank up, so why push it further than that ?
i'll point out that this bracket, having the 2nd floor access reward, implies that it's expecting you to be Green 2.
Yeah, we can punch up, but we have already been shown that a Green 2 can easily demolish us.
Any of them is a rank up, so why push it further than that ?
i'll point out that this bracket, having the 2nd floor access reward, implies that it's expecting you to be Green 2.
Yeah, we can punch up, but we have already been shown that a Green 2 can easily demolish us.
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Heavenly Body
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[X] Disciples 802-814
Need a buffer in case we can't challenge one month for some reason or another.
Need a buffer in case we can't challenge one month for some reason or another.
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
Looking at the structure of this, btw:
[] Disciples 815-825: Includes Du Feng, 825, so effectively 10 extra
[] Disciples 802-814: Includes CRX and Sun Liling, so effectively 11 extra
If we wanted to make a really ambitious write in, it would probably look something like:
[] Disciples 789-799: This would be 11, but 795 we already saw CRX challenge and beat and he can't be challenged again, so it's more like 10.
[] Disciples 815-825: Includes Du Feng, 825, so effectively 10 extra
[] Disciples 802-814: Includes CRX and Sun Liling, so effectively 11 extra
If we wanted to make a really ambitious write in, it would probably look something like:
[] Disciples 789-799: This would be 11, but 795 we already saw CRX challenge and beat and he can't be challenged again, so it's more like 10.
Arkeus
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Why are you talking about grading?
Ling Qi is getting the experience to talk to the King and the problems/boons that go with it. Shen Hu is getting the experience of defending a village of mortals and the problems/boons that go with it. I don't think there needs to be any kind of 'grade' there. Do you think that Zeqing or Xiulan tribulation actually had them being 'rewarded' rather than 'It pushes you to get stronger or die'?
If Ling Qi asks to spare Shen Hu, that does mean that his own experience will be short changed because it would be on a lower level of difficulty, and thus he will learn less from it.
I completely agree that Ling Qi didn't feel like that, I just think it's hypocritical as fuck.
Shen Hu went into the dream because he felt he was stagnating and wanting to get back into doing difficult and life threatening things. He flat out said it. He then decided to protect mortals because he thought that no matter what this action couldn't be wrong. Once he failed, he was grateful for the experience because it's explicitly the kind of thing he expects to do once he goes back home.
I agree on what thing rattled Ling Qi, I just think it's extremely selfish of her to not realise that it would go against Shen Hu's own desire. If it was Xiulan in Shen Hu's place, can you imagine how pissed she would be if Ling Qi had asked to save her and stolen her own tribulation away?
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Anyway, about the challenges, I am a bit disappointed by the inability to do research on 785-800. 800-825 bracket only gives us +20YSS/month, which is nice, but ultimately not worth the 2AP we spend on the research itself even assuming we won.
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[X] Disciples 802-814
Shoot for the highest imo.
Unless we can research even higher, then I'd vote for that.
Shoot for the highest imo.
Unless we can research even higher, then I'd vote for that.
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Two things I'd note here: 1) we can't really challenge that often without them getting repetitive and boring and killing the pacing, and 2) it makes no sense to challenge regularly like that because our power doesn't increase evenly. Rather, it increases in fits and starts as we attain key breakpoints. We should be challenging when we have gotten significantly stronger and can thus target a meaningfully higher rank.
That being said, a fair argument could be made that if Renxiang was only prepared to challenge 15 ranks up, this could be sign to us about what is reasonable at this stage. Also, in a couple of months we'll be Appraisal with significant art upgrades, making us substantially more powerful and ready to push up higher. Leaving off the bigger jumps until then would not be unreasonable.
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Combat is not actually always on the list. The sect wants to promote the crafters, and as such in case a crafter wants to challenge somebody from a combat track, the crafter would have no cance of victory. As such, in case of crosstrack challenge, things get creative, as shown by the Cai challenge. We got WoG in regards to that.
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I think we gotta go high.
[X] Disciples 802-814
[X] Disciples 802-814
Yes. They are rewards. The tribulations are ordeals that are specifically designed such that defeating them provides you with significant gains in power. Just getting into fights might be educational, but it's not the same, and the risk/reward calculations have to be made accounting for that.
[X] Disciples 802-814
BungieONI
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What Arkeus is badly explaining is the concept of "I am taking a risk to get stronger, don't fuck with it Ling Qi because wouldn't you hate it if I fucked with your chance"?
From that view Ling Qi's regrets are hypocritical because they deprive Shen Hu of his agency in making the choice(i.e fucking with his chance) to enter the dream by blameshifting the issue onto herself.
And them entering the dream together was that decision.
Acting as if they shouldn't help each other out at all later on once they're in there would, I think, be highly questionable.
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[X] Disciples 802-814
BungieONI
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It is, if some time into it Shen Hu didn't go and make another choice to split up. After which point from my perspective and reading of Shen Hu he was taking his own safety into his own hands instead of the joined hands of the team.
E: and yes I know this is basically goalpost shifting but I was an idiot who misspoke on my first post. Like, I see this regret thing she has as a variation of the Hero trying to carry every burden and every consequence on their shoulders instead of letting the people carry them and essentially invalidating other character's ability to affect their own path. That old sausage.
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