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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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yrsillar said:
Alright changelog for the continuing mechanics fixing

Formations:

The horror has been buffed back up to being able to hold C rank techs, in alignment with its in story use
Li Silk guards have been debuffed to requiring C rank stealth to bypass

fixed the double entry for Qi

fixed potency growth on AE and FSS
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@yrsillar Speaking of formations would you be willing to give any sort of indication how difficult it would be to alter the ossuary scouts to be at the same level of cultivation as their creator?

I'd love for Ling Qi to dip into them more but my impression is that the above makes them all but totally useless,* and I'd like some idea of how much effort would be required to fix that and if we could do it without investing a disproportionate amount of time.**

Some general indication of what sort of level of boost could be expected for upgrading any formation would be extemely useful to know as well.

The only other thing I might suggest is some exp from working on any specific formation should go back into the main formations skill.

* I don't really understand the new system but I think this drops them down to E stealth at best vs a green 1? Which is essetially useless vs everyone since perception skill/arts/boosters are ubiquitious.
**Becasue much as I love the asthetic and fit with Ling Qi's new role persuading people to invest much time into them in the AP starved environment is going to be an uphill battle to begin with.
 
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Humbaba said:
I'd love for Ling Qi to dip into them more but my impression is that the above makes them all but totally useless,* and I'd like some idea of how much effort would be required to fix that and if we could do it without investing a disproportionate amount of time.**
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Well, getting an art up a level from late yellow to green takes about 250xp typically, which is about a month's work.

I would say that being able to make green level golems should take at least that much work.
 
[X] Spend the morning with her Mother and Biyu, and meet with Meizhen after

By the way, @yrsillar, after seeing the results, I'd like to put two points into Dodge and keep the rest of my points for later!
 
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Humbaba said:
@yrsillar Speaking of formations would you be willing to give any sort of indication how difficult it would be to alter the ossuary scouts to be at the same level of cultivation as their creator?

I'd love for Ling Qi to dip into them more but my impression is that the above makes them all but totally useless,* and I'd like some idea of how much effort would be required to fix that and if we could do it without investing a disproportionate amount of time.**

Some general indication of what sort of level of boost could be expected for upgrading any formation would be extemely useful to know as well.

The only other thing I might suggest is some exp from working on any specific formation should go back into the main formations skill.

* I don't really understand the new system but I think this drops them down to E stealth at best vs a green 1? Which is essetially useless vs everyone since perception skill/arts/boosters are ubiquitious.
**Becasue much as I love the asthetic and fit with Ling Qi's new role persuading people to invest much time into them in the AP starved environment is going to be an uphill battle to begin with.
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Yeah you got it right. Which is indeed less than helpful against green peers, though it does have use against a majority of the yellow rankers in the inner sect. It would still have at least D which is useful against them.
 
BungieONI said:
I think Meizhen might be his focus. For good or ill.
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Sure, but Meizhen also proved in the tournament that she is hilariously beyond him, and the best way to gain more cultivation resources is to advance in the sect ranking.

Him picking up a softer target that is nonetheless still connected to Meizhen, and possibly the catalyst for most of the year going bad for him is plausible.

(IIRC, yrsillar also mentioned that positive relations with him were shot once the thread picked up Ling Qi origins; so he possibly has a 'reeeee commoners' attitude?)
 
[X] Meet Meizhen first, and see who she wanted to introduce, she would visit mother after

First somewhat divisive vote it appears.
 
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[X] Meet Meizhen first, and see who she wanted to introduce, she would visit mother after
It's possible this is critically important, best we allow for extra time and ensure we're respectful by not making them wait.
 
Erebeal said:
Well, getting an art up a level from late yellow to green takes about 250xp typically, which is about a month's work.

I would say that being able to make green level golems should take at least that much work.
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So maybe 4-5 actions on average? Give or take some omake bonus successes. That could be workable for something to help Ling Qi out with the spymistress part of her duties. If we got it to the point they could start contributing to Ling Qi's efforts (info on challenge targets, helping with identifying/scouting larceny targets etc) it'd be really great.

I'm actually getting some enthusiasm for some omakes again too.
BungieONI said:
Yeah you got it right. Which is indeed less than helpful against green peers, though it does have use against a majority of the yellow rankers in the inner sect. It would still have at least D which is useful against them.
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Thanks for the confirmation. Are there really any yellow rankers in the inner sect who haven't just come in though (via tournament or hidden graduation method) though? Given most people here should have at least a year on us I wouldn't really expect many.
 
Humbaba said:
@yrsillar Speaking of formations would you be willing to give any sort of indication how difficult it would be to alter the ossuary scouts to be at the same level of cultivation as their creator?

I'd love for Ling Qi to dip into them more but my impression is that the above makes them all but totally useless,* and I'd like some idea of how much effort would be required to fix that and if we could do it without investing a disproportionate amount of time.**

Some general indication of what sort of level of boost could be expected for upgrading any formation would be extemely useful to know as well.

The only other thing I might suggest is some exp from working on any specific formation should go back into the main formations skill.

* I don't really understand the new system but I think this drops them down to E stealth at best vs a green 1? Which is essetially useless vs everyone since perception skill/arts/boosters are ubiquitious.
**Becasue much as I love the asthetic and fit with Ling Qi's new role persuading people to invest much time into them in the AP starved environment is going to be an uphill battle to begin with.
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BungieONI said:
Yeah you got it right. Which is indeed less than helpful against green peers, though it does have use against a majority of the yellow rankers in the inner sect. It would still have at least D which is useful against them.
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A good chunk of people on discord are discussing the merits of pushing a Formation training action next turn, and leveling up the Scouts and Silk Guardians opens both of them up to Omake point investment once again.

Pushing the Silk Guardian Formation also gives Ling Qi the possibility of pushing that Formation C into a Security Specialty, which just has disgusting levels of synergy with her existing skillset. Especially regarding the ability for the Scouts to infiltrate places that they really shouldn't be.

I'm honestly looking forward to it :V

Humbaba said:
Thanks for the confirmation. Are there really any yellow rankers in the inner sect who haven't just come in though (via tournament or hidden graduation method)? Given most people here should have at least a year on us I wouldn't really expect many.
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Anyone below Xiulan in rank is a good guess, but if we'd be shooting up the only people who would rank higher than Ling Qi but remain second realm would be the crafters.

Which raises its own concerns, naturally.
 
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[X] Meet Meizhen first, and see who she wanted to introduce, she would visit mother after

BungieONI said:
Pay 40AP to do research one month, pick nothing.
Next month pick up art slip, leave others.
Month after that start training it.
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I don't see how it makes sense at all that it takes a whole month to grab a slip once we already know where it is. It's a completely facetious delay. If you're going to go with a no-pick no-art-pay system, why not just add all seen arts to a library of things we could decide to start to train any given month.
 
EPC 6 seems to look just like EPC 5 as for as I can tell. SCS 7 just has a couple of numerical bonuses and makes the anti-tracking passive permanent. Those two levels seem oddly weak.
 
DeAnno said:
EPC 6 seems to look just like EPC 5 as for as I can tell. SCS 7 just has a couple of numerical bonuses and makes the anti-tracking passive permanent. Those two levels seem oddly weak.
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Yeah, EPC6 doesn't seem to have been done. SCS7 has significant upgrades to OwS - it's persistent and we're less restricted in terms of what shadows we can use.
 
SITB said:
(IIRC, yrsillar also mentioned that positive relations with him were shot once the thread picked up Ling Qi origins; so he possibly has a 'reeeee commoners' attitude?)
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I think yrs was referring to the female commoner start specifically, with us being more likely to meet in a non adversarial manner as a dude. But Cai's first meeting does suggest he has a general contempt for commoners beyond personal issues with either us or Ji Rong.
yrsillar said:
"Lady Cai, might I interject before we begin?" Kang Zihao said cooly, dipping his head respectfully in her direction.

She turned her severe gaze to him, staring him down for a full three count before inclining her head slightly. "You may, what is your objection Kang Zihao?"

"Thank you Lady Cai," he replied, Ling Qi might have even thought him sincere if she didn't know better. "While I can understand an exemption for that one," he glanced pointedly at Ling Qi. "As we all have our seconds. What is THAT doing here?" He asked, disgust in his voice as he pointed Ji Rong.
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BungieONI said:
Yeah you got it right. Which is indeed less than helpful against green peers, though it does have use against a majority of the yellow rankers in the inner sect. It would still have at least D which is useful against them.
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This would be a great way to help GG, to spy on everyone else in the outer sect using our mouses.

Bonus points for pinning this on YR (the only known puppet master), if we get found out.
 
DeAnno said:
[X] Meet Meizhen first, and see who she wanted to introduce, she would visit mother after



I don't see how it makes sense at all that it takes a whole month to grab a slip once we already know where it is. It's a completely facetious delay. If you're going to go with a no-pick no-art-pay system, why not just add all seen arts to a library of things we could decide to start to train any given month.
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That could work to. The salient points I'm interested in are picking up art slips we know about as a free action and acquisition balance so we don't accidentally overload on picking up a bunch of arts all at once or something.

I.e one is basically a reality check and one is a game balance thing.
 
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[X] Meet Meizhen first, and see who she wanted to introduce, she would visit mother after
 
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