Game of the Year: A Naruto Quest

There's a lot to unpack with Mariko, and Daisuke will never be able to do it alone or without Naruto protagonist bullshit or getting Mariko to see a god damn therapist.
But...her entire family are the Goddamn Therapists of the Village!

[X] Ino does not look happy. She needs you now. Go find her before she gets too far away.

One quick pow wow with the new team isn't going to smooth things over and this seems more urgent. If my best friend that I knew for life basically powered walked away close to losing it, I would do my damnedest to comfort them. Kiba is neutral to us and Mariko is going to be a long ass work in progress that I hope Kuerinai actually helps with and seems the most likely to do so compared to Asuma and Gai.
 
[X] You may not like one of them, but you have a team now. You should make the best of it. Go find Kiba and Mariko, and have lunch.

Ino's a big girl. She doesn't need babysitting.
 
[X] You may not like one of them, but you have a team now. You should make the best of it. Go find Kiba and Mariko, and have lunch.

This... actually makes me really happy. This is probably the most interesting team set up possible. I think the inherent conflict in Daisuke and Mariko having to work together is much more engaging that having Daisuke just tossed with a couple of his besties. Besides, being able to work with people you don't like is a basic life skill. If Daisuke and Mariko can't learn to handle that, they really have no business being ninja.
 
Well, in canon I'm pretty sure Sakura hated Naruto, and going by her hitting him repeatedly throughout the early episodes, she likely did that too in the Academy at some point, possibly even tried to beat him up with chakra enhanced blows or whatever. Yes, he was basically harassing her, but clearly no one in the entire Academy thought to tell him that (or even considered it wrong apparently).

So having Mariko and Daisuke together despite their clear animosity doesn't seem too out there, all things considered. I'm sure the QM would have mentioned if she did anything particular malicious or noteworthy to Daisuke in the past 7 years, so we can reasonably conclude that she hasn't done anything like that. Yes, she hates him, and he dislikes her, but that's pretty much Team 7's initial feelings towards each other, minus the love triangle and condensed into 2 people instead of 3.

Freaking out over this is natural, plenty of others do, but treating this an actual, serious life-threatening thing is an overreaction, I think. They're kids. They do stupid things. I'm sure someone in the academy has tried to put stuff in their classmate's drink that turned out to be mildly poisonous as a prank; heck, there are real life stories of "jokes" turned deadly. If nothing else, it's entirely possible to be promoted quickly and leave the team.
This. So much this.

Compared to canon Team 7, Daisuke is obviously in the Sasuke position as the attractive and skilled RotY, Mariko is Naruto the underdog who's jealous of that skill and popularity, and Kiba's the Sakura who's there to provide a third perspective and keep the hot-head from blowing everything up.

...Sadly, this comparison creates some unfortunate implications in the long-run... Though Kairi might not mind revising her OTP, I imagine.

Huh, maybe Daisuke can gift Ino a scroll for his Mastered Endless Sword technique? That way she'll have one of his Original Jutsu to help offset any worries of their friendship drifting away.
We've been over this though: giving away Jutsu, especially self-created ones, to your friends is not acceptable in Shinobi culture. These are techniques meant for yourself, your blood, and your direct pupils. You don't pass on techniques to your friends because that devalues those techniques and makes yourself less unique.

Check out Katsuragi's omake "Great Teacher Daisuke" for this exact scenario, and why this kind of thing is not done. Cripes, I bet the reason why GTD wasn't made canon was because it ends with Ino being made to keep the Scroll - it likely would have canonically ended with Daisuke burning the damned thing because that's what he's supposed to do. It's his technique, his creation, and a major part of his combat style. Passing that to anyone is not how Shinobi operate.

She's a friend. She's not our disciple, nor is she blood-related. Handing her one of our Original Jutsu - one we're likely going to make extensive use of - is a terrible idea.

It's just not done.

Hell, it might even be a slap in the face - like we're insinuating that since we can't be there with Ino, we think she needs one of our jutsu that we created in our stead. Like she wasn't strong enough on her own, and needed something of us to make it as a ninja.

And yet the Hyuuga specifically train to be able to use all tenketsu. They only need accuracy when they're aiming for the tenketsu. When you just want to kill someone or don't care about tenketsu, you really don't need the same accuracy to hit an important organ.

Plus, you forget that the foot is apparently the hardest place to utilize the tenketsu, yet people do it for Tree/Water/Sand/etc... walking and shit. Utilizing other tenketsu isn't that hard in comparison.

Really, this is the last I'll say on this, because we clearly have differences of opinion.
I believe it's more that using the hands is easier because all ninja use their hands to mold chakra. Therefore, emitting chakra from the hands is made ridiculously easy because it's what they teach literal children.

And their control has to be impeccable because they need to expel chakra without wasting it. It's a limited resource in battle, after all. So they try to be economical and as efficient as possible because it's a resource to be managed. And the strength to be wasteful with their chakra only comes from years and years of growth and practice as they hone their bodies and spirits to provide the necessary reserves.

So, they train to be ultra fast and precise from the start. Because while they're learning, they need to conserve their chakra and refine their control. To make it as tight and lethal as possible for what little they use while they're young and learning.

And where is it easiest to control just emissions?

The hands and fingers - the very instruments the human body uses to point and direct with.

The style is birthed in the fundamentals they need to be able to train for those emissions. They learn with the hands first because it's easier to develop precision, control and efficiency. Then as the Gentle Fist practitioner gets stronger and more skilled, they are able to emit from other tenketsu, and target opponents in alternative ways than short bursts.

I mean, it's bound to be easier to introduce chakra into a foreign body (with it's own chakra system!) and shred it once you actually know how to be hit the precise targets upon an opponent's body to inject your chakra to set off the cascade necessary to force an opponents organs to shred themselves... right?

The Gentle Fist just builds up to it - a progression as the practitioner gets more familiar with the concepts and methodology of controlling chakra as it's expelled from the body and using it for a variety of purposes in combat. They're dedication to being subtle only accompanies their profession as shinobi - as assassins.

And as to the foot thing - I don't think that the feet are the hardest part to utilize tenketsu in general: just that the precision and control inherent to Gentle Fist are really hard when using the imprecise and awkward foot.. I mean, if you've gotten used to using your hands to do really delicate work, could you easily master doing the same tasks with your feet?

Imagine asking a surgeon to operate on a patient using their feet. No hands allowed.

Compared to that, Tree/Water/Sand/etc Walking must be ridiculously simple - you're using your entire foot, and you don't need to do anything precise or truly complicated.
 
[X] Ino does not look happy. She needs you now. Go find her before she gets too far away.

I think we are blowing this drama way out of proportion. Daisuke it smart, stoic and mature enough to deal with Mariko in a way that doesn't impact the team to drastically.

Mental
Intelligence: Superhuman (1450/2000) (Reward XP Invested: 380)
Willpower: Superhuman (1300/2000) (Rewad XP Invested: 270)
Wits: Superhuman (1360/2000) (Reward XP Invested: 570)

Furthermore, the canon chunin-exams are just 6 months away. We just have to point out to Ino, that with our talent and competency we are not going to be long on these genin teams.
Even if the infamous exam doesn't work out for us, it will be a short episode either way.

Regarding Kurenai, same point as above, I don't expect to be long on a team with her to make worldchanging differences.
Pro:
She will push our skill with Gen-jutsu further
She will help expand our Gen-jutsu repertoire
She can teach us all necessary general skills (e.g. Supplementary-ninjutsu; control exercises)
In the anime, she can travel through surfaces and sense others by their chakra.
Maybe she can help with our senseroy skills

Contra:
I don't expect significant progress in the nin-jutsu department (e.g. elements)

Side-note:
Ken- and Taijutsu is covered by independent training or Gai
 
[X] You may not like one of them, but you have a team now. You should make the best of it. Go find Kiba and Mariko, and have lunch.

I wonder how long it will take untill Mariko becomes Best Girl. :p
 
I wonder how long it will take untill Mariko becomes Best Girl. :p
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Kakashi in chapter 18: And it is said that the bottom of the foot is the most difficult area to gather chakra.

That does not mean people bother gathering chakra elsewhere.
Mmm, yeah you're right, forgot about that. Was going off Neji v Kidōmaru where he was shocked Neji could use all his other tenketsu too.


And yet the Hyuuga specifically train to be able to use all tenketsu. They only need accuracy when they're aiming for the tenketsu. When you just want to kill someone or don't care about tenketsu, you really don't need the same accuracy to hit an important organ.

Plus, you forget that the foot is apparently the hardest place to utilize the tenketsu, yet people do it for Tree/Water/Sand/etc... walking and shit. Utilizing other tenketsu isn't that hard in comparison.

Really, this is the last I'll say on this, because we clearly have differences of opinion.
I mean, you still care about accuracy in terms of hitting your opponent. You have additional speed, reach, and dexterity when using your hands - so why wouldn't you focus on using them whenever possible? If you ever were in a position to use a lock or throw you could hit them with a jyuken strike instead, so why bother?

But yeah, fair enough, I'll drop it.
 
@Vesvius I would like to put thirty exp into taijutsu to bring it up to the next level. While putting the remainder of my experience into strength. With this Taijutsu takes another step towards being a valued part of our arsenal again. We can also now focus more on the physical attributes as well as work towards getting the Blend of styles perk. Which should allow us to more closely tie our ken and taijutsu skills together. Making them both rise when in combat.

Priorities for me at the moment are in the order as follows.

1: Raising Our physical attributes up to superhuman.
2: Getting the perk that ties our tai and kenjutsu more closely together.
3:Raising our willpower to pinnacle.
4: Getting Taijutsu up to the same rank as genjutsu.

Anyone with an interest in the more physical side of combat that is not interested in pouring exp into skills we wont use for a while please keep what I have said in mind.
 
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[X] You may not like one of them, but you have a team now. You should make the best of it. Go find Kiba and Mariko, and have lunch.

Time to buck up buddy. Sometimes you are going to have shitty coworkers and you gotta work with them. Oh god, what if we fail final test and get tossed in the genin pool?
 
[X] You may not like one of them, but you have a team now. You should make the best of it. Go find Kiba and Mariko, and have lunch.
 
[X] You may not like one of them, but you have a team now. You should make the best of it. Go find Kiba and Mariko, and have lunch.

Kiba at least does not deserve to be in the middle of that.
 
@Vesvius Is you stat system relative? Like is being the pinnacle mean you are the pinnacle for your age, or in general?

Because it would be really silly if a Genin had the same endurance, as say, Gai.

The MC has, what? 1 pinnacle and 5 superhuman stats? Is he going for the Gara Kage route? Is he going to be Hokage by 15?

With those mental stats, is he better than Shikamaru? How about the Jounin commander? Help me out here.

What do the stats and numbers mean, in practice?
 
Wasn't Kurenai Hinata's mentor in canon? It's sort of strange to not see them in the same team.
Oh and:
[X] Ino does not look happy. She needs you now. Go find her before she gets too far away.
 
[X] Ino does not look happy. She needs you now. Go find her before she gets too far away.

Whatever. At least we lucked out with learning genjutsu (actual genjutsu to use, not overall skill with them). Taijutsu with Gai if we can get some free time up to Elite. Ninjutsu would be our weak point but hey, at least we don't get drain out of chakra so quickly. Reserves and skill with chakra manipulation is kinda weak so...

Also Maybe just maybe we get lucky and do something Kurenai doesn't expect on top of a FRESH off the academy genin with Elite Jounin Genjutsu.
 
I don't mind Kurenai. Sure, she got beaten by Itachi, but...so did literally everyone else he ever faced. Sasuke won because he literally died while trying to take a dive.

He punted Orochimaru so hard that Orochimaru developed A man crush obsession for him. To put it another way, Orochimaru chose to invade Konoha instead of trying to face Itachi again.
Nah uh. Itachi didn't beat Gai! They drew!
But...her entire family are the Goddamn Therapists of the Village!

[X] Ino does not look happy. She needs you now. Go find her before she gets too far away.

One quick pow wow with the new team isn't going to smooth things over and this seems more urgent. If my best friend that I knew for life basically powered walked away close to losing it, I would do my damnedest to comfort them. Kiba is neutral to us and Mariko is going to be a long ass work in progress that I hope Kuerinai actually helps with and seems the most likely to do so compared to Asuma and Gai.
And we know how bad the village therapy is when the goddamn therapy family fails to therapy their own members.:lol
 
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@Vesvius Is you stat system relative? Like is being the pinnacle mean you are the pinnacle for your age, or in general?

Because it would be really silly if a Genin had the same endurance, as say, Gai.

The MC has, what? 1 pinnacle and 5 superhuman stats? Is he going for the Gara Kage route? Is he going to be Hokage by 15?

With those mental stats, is he better than Shikamaru? How about the Jounin commander? Help me out here.

What do the stats and numbers mean, in practice?
I believe he's already answered these questions before, either here or in the Discord. In order: Yes. Yes. Pretty much. Probably not. No. Likely not. Definitely not. Will probably never be directly answered beyond what's been threadmarked already.
 
Good lord. Enough salt in this thread to keep beef over winter.

[X] You may not like one of them, but you have a team now. You should make the best of it. Go find Kiba and Mariko, and have lunch.
 
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@Vesvius should we expect a rework of the rules (or a simple nerf)? I recall you said something along these, since Daisuke was making progress too fast for your liking.
 
I feel like our priority should be Ino.

As long as we stay nice and polite (mature) on the team the dynamics should be Kurenai's problem.
 
[X] Ino does not look happy. She needs you now. Go find her before she gets too far away.

Eh, I am on the fence about this or going to lunch with the new team. On one hand we have been focusing Ino pretty hard, on the other it's pretty coldblooded to just ignore your best friend's freakout and move on. Guess I'll go this way.

Also Team 7 gets 2 special eyes? How is that fair? Split those eyes up!

Naruto better develop some Kyuubi eyes or something just to fit in on his team.
 
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