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What do Catholic attitudes about natural reproduction have to do with WASPS?

... He's got a good point there, since the P in WASP stands for 'Protestant'.

Protestant faiths are varied depending on the denomination. Clark could have been raised in an environment that taught him cloning is bad or come up with that conclusion on his own based on his religious beliefs. Regardless, the idea that Clark Kent is against cloning for moral or religious reasons is not unheard of.
 
To be fair, high-end superheroes running into a hostile power-copying android with no warning of what it can do is pretty much guaranteed to result in a big fight and lots of damage. In a real sense they were some of the worst people to send against it.

Non-powered people with anti-materiel weapons would have been far better, especially if it hadn't had the chance to copy any powers yet.
 
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They're the horses the undead Vikings from New Year rode.
Are they undead horses?

Because that'd be pretty hardcore.
"So, I get to punch jetpack robot Nazis?"
Speaking of bigotry, I'd love it if Impulse got upset over an innocent word that has become a slur or insult in his post-invasion future.

The following scene was inspired by "Zootopia":
Impulse: "Only a speedster can call another speedster the Z-word*."
Robin: "What about OL? He uses the Z-word all the time."
Impulse: "OL singlehandedly started the speedster resistance movement, so he earned honorary Z-word privileges."

*Zipper.
 
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Oh that's right. I'm an Orange Lantern.
XD

I'm not trying to.. do the League down. You're all amazing, what you volunteer to do is amazing.
Is "do X down" a Britishism equivalent to the US "put X down" meaning "insult X"?

Also, theoretically the comma should be a semicolon.

"I wouldn't tell them that you're Clark Kent, it's hardly fair to expect me to spill their secrets."

Semicolon likewise; these are two complete sentences being combined without a conjunction. (Think of a semicolon as being ", and" or ", but" etc.) If you don't care about semicolons, tell me and I'll stop flagging them.

Percussively emphatic
XD XD

Given in Almost all DCverse that Vandel is Biblical Cain. It most likely not Murder or a Sin.
Biblical Cain was marked as a sign that people SHOULDN'T kill him, so it would certainly be a sin.

Are they undead horses?

Because that'd be pretty hardcore.
No, they're alive, though possibly divine because their four legs can each be in two places at once, making it look like they have eight legs.

Catholicism discussion:

In the specific post that started this whole hullabaloo, the mention of Catholicism was EXPLICITLY constructed to describe a SPECIFIC group of people that held the beliefs in question. It carried no assertion that this was the "right" belief or that anyone not holding that belief was "wrong" but was instead a very appropriate answer to the question being discussed, which was asking "who."

The hullabaloo that arose as a result feels very much like an anti-religious knee-jerk reaction. It was a constructive, factual post that was criticized purely on the basis of being religious.
 
Have you bothered searching for Supergirl's ship, on planet or in system with her asleep inside?
He doesn't own a faster than light spacecraft.
Protestant faiths are varied depending on the denomination. Clark could have been raised in an environment that taught him cloning is bad or come up with that conclusion on his own based on his religious beliefs. Regardless, the idea that Clark Kent is against cloning for moral or religious reasons is not unheard of.
Mister Kent was raised Methodist -I think this came up before?- but is not currently practicing the Christian faith in any regular fashion. He is people being treated as products, and that combined with the telomere problem means that he's against reproductive cloning. Cadmus' theft of his genetic material redoubled this belief.

Of course, if someone suggested cloning genetically diverse Kryptonians in an attempt to resurrect the species and proved they were capable of getting it right, he may reconsider.
Are they undead horses?

Because that'd be pretty hardcore.
They eat and poo, so probably not.
Is "do X down" a Britishism equivalent to the US "put X down" meaning "insult X"?
Apparently?
Also, theoretically the comma should be a semicolon.
Semicolon likewise; these are two complete sentences being combined without a conjunction. (Think of a semicolon as being ", and" or ", but" etc.) If you don't care about semicolons, tell me and I'll stop flagging them.
If I'm going to use them; I may as well use them right.
 
Plastic Man: "I wonder what Nazis think of tanning booths."
Guy: o_O "What?"
Plastic Man: "I mean, do they resent the idea of Caucasians darkening their skin? Or do they care more about bloodline purity?"
Guy: "I... damn it, now I'm going to be thinking about this all day..."

"Japanese were considered honorable Arians during WWII, and the most important members of the Nazi party, including Hitler, were not tall white blonde men with blue eyes. Also, they arrested people despite their skin color if they were suspected to be Jewish or from other despised minorities. And no, I don't think your comment was funny." Wonder Woman said glaring at Plastic Man, who visibly flinched.
 
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Having not seen the TV, and having only a scarce understanding of the source material, can someone give the low-down on the reach?

I understand that they had an appearence in season 2, and from in story I know they had a War with the Greenies and Won, and they are expanding in Earths direction.

But technologically, and biologically how do they rate compared to other races?

Are they stronger and tougher than Thanigarians? How is their fleet tech, and how would it rate in that recent demonstation OL put on for the league?
 
Slight incongruity: M'gaan mentions that her Uncle Ma'al was born without telepathy, but during the bit where she infiltrates Belle Reeve she mentions that Ma'al was the one who taught her the trick used to keep Killer Frost unconscious.
 
Having not seen the TV, and having only a scarce understanding of the source material, can someone give the low-down on the reach?

I understand that they had an appearence in season 2, and from in story I know they had a War with the Greenies and Won, and they are expanding in Earths direction.

But technologically, and biologically how do they rate compared to other races?

Are they stronger and tougher than Thanigarians? How is their fleet tech, and how would it rate in that recent demonstation OL put on for the league?

In terms of strength, here's a list of what their average infiltrator unit can do
. The ability to destroy reality (apparently a last resort) and destroy planets are some notable things on that list.

They're vaguely insectoid, biologically, and prefer to infiltrate and corrupt societies, over direct invasions. In-canon, I believe they were going to make Earth docile with chemicals in sodas and energy drinks (and other stuff, too), before simulating a disaster and annexing humanity as slaves. It was kind of boring compared to their plan in the comics.

EDIT: Physically, their power armor would liquefy the Thanagarians. I don't care enough about ships to tell you the difference there, but I would say the Reach has a narrow edge in tech. They were able to fight the G.L.'s, after all. I doubt Thanagar could pull that off.

EDIT EDIT: You know, that's not narrow at all, that's a straight up victory. They're more powerful than Thanagar.
 
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Slight incongruity: M'gaan mentions that her Uncle Ma'al was born without telepathy, but during the bit where she infiltrates Belle Reeve she mentions that Ma'al was the one who taught her the trick used to keep Killer Frost unconscious.
One of Ma'al pets is an animal that stuns its prey like that.[/notanarsepull]
EDIT EDIT: You know, that's not narrow at all, that's a straight up victory. They're more powerful than Thanagar.
Heck yes. Beetles are actually quite uncommon, but the Reach is vast and its armies powerful. Thanagar has only a handful of industrialised planets and a few handfuls of small colonies.
 
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The SI doesn't know.
And Batman?

Having not seen the TV, and having only a scarce understanding of the source material, can someone give the low-down on the reach?

I understand that they had an appearence in season 2, and from in story I know they had a War with the Greenies and Won, and they are expanding in Earths direction.

But technologically, and biologically how do they rate compared to other races?

Are they stronger and tougher than Thanigarians? How is their fleet tech, and how would it rate in that recent demonstation OL put on for the league?
They're strong enough that they have a non-aggression pact with the Guardians (basically, "don't invade anywhere, but if they invite you and you fuck 'em over later, that's fine"). They also frequently bend the terms of the pact without repercussions, though I don't know if that's because of their strength or the Guardians just being dicks. The scarabs (autonomous robots that body-jacks a member of a given species and uses that body to infiltrate that society) are occasionally called the strongest weapons in the universe (as opposed the the Rings, which are the strongest tools).

Due to the pact, they're subtle out of necessity. They use a scarab to help them earn an invitation to interfere with the planet (promising tech, protection, etc), and from there, slowly gain control.
 
Triumph of the Will (part 9)
9th April
17:32 GMT +1


Mister Kent surges upwards, head turning left and right as he looks for an attacker.

Ring, armour.

Compliance.

My power armour manifests around my body, immediately followed by my construct armour.

Mister Kent's right hand goes to his ear. "Batman?"

Ring, scan.

I get a clear image of everything except vault six. Vault six was… Where we're storing the remains of the Einherjar. Theft attempt or did they get up on their own? Not detecting zeta radiation, not detecting… No, check hull integrity in case of scry warded boarders. No, that's fine. No boarding craft. If it was an attack, it would have to be a snatch and grab. Members of the Justice League are monitored a lot of the time when they're out in public, but given that secret identities seem to work I doubt they're monitored full time. Either the identities would be compromised or the Leaguers would notice.

The Light know their identities, but either they wouldn't attack while everyone was here or that attack would be a nuke and it would have gone off by now. Looks like reanimation is the most likely option. We never found out why they fell when the portal closed… Oh, in general terms, their connection to the Norse afterlife got interrupted, but the precise mechanics? Why they showed up in white light in my empathic vision? How they were able to keep functioning when stuck with anti-magic arrows? No idea. At least we were able to get their weapons and armour stored away from them.

Thirty seven unarmed undead Vikings? The League should be able to handle that. It will be interesting to see how intelligent they are when not being directed by the Krieger brothers… Wait. Does that mean that they're back on Earth? Klarion being back would be bad, but the other two are fairly manageable. I checked with Alan and the Spear's mind control effect requires that the user already owns the area it's being used in or the performance of a lengthy ritual to claim ownership. Easy enough when the League are already mind controlled; not quite so easy when they're not.

I generate a railgun, then blink in surprise as the light crawls out at snail's pace. Oh, I'm accelerating. Right. Stooop.

Mister Kent is looking down at me. "We've got an intruder-."

"Vault six. Probably the Einherjar reanimating. Guess we should have tied their big toes together. Should I attend?"

The very faintest suggestion of a frown momentarily graces his brow, but he's used to working with Mister Allen. And Batman, I suppose. "Do you think there's any chance we could talk to them?"

"Should be able to. The ring's automatic translation didn't work last time, but the effect blocking it may have been bound to their armour. And I can just instruct the ring to do an automatic translation based on historical Scandinavian languages. Won't be quite as good, but it should do the job."

"I meant, do you think we can settle this peacefully?"

"Oh. No idea. Assuming they actually are Einherjar and not just something the Nazis created based on the myth, they're supposed to serve as Odin's army against the Ice Giants. How inclined they are to be peaceful depends on whether they feel obliged to return to Valhalla whole or if they can get back by dying in battle again."

"We can probably help them with that."

"Sir? We don't actually know that they would go back to Valhalla if we destroyed them. And remember what I said about the undead being people too?"

"You may have a poi-." He pauses for a moment. "Flash is just outside the vault. The doors look like they're about to give way. Can you get us there?"

"Stand by." I tag him with a filament. No real resistance there. Maybe I should work on some sort of armour for him? "Transition." Our surroundings flicker repeatedly as the sealed doors of the Watchtower's interior force me to stop on four occasions and poke tiny holes through them to carry on. Add interior force fields to the list… I'm not complaining, but it really shouldn't be possible to just-

We appear outside the vault, Mister Allen looking around as the air displaced by our arrival breezes past him.

-do this in a secure location.

"Superman. Orange Lantern."

There's a tremendous clang from the vault door and it bows outwards a little more.

"Can either of you tell what's going on in there?"

"Scan isn't giving me much."

Mister Kent narrows his eyes slightly, then shakes his head. "Remind me again why we lined these storage rooms with lead?"

"In case you were storing radiological materials, probab-." Oh. "Rhetorical, sorry." I raise my hands slightly as another banging impact causes the walls to shudder. "Sonic probes… Oh. No, can't get a good reading through whatever these walls are made of."

Another bang, and I notice that the doors shift back slightly as the pressure is withdrawn from the far side. Not good.

Mister Kent nods, then drops to the ground in front of the door terminal. "I'll try talking to them. Orange Lantern, I'll need you to translate."

"Sir, might I suggest doing that from a little further away? Magic is one of your vulnerabilities."

"I don't think Vikings will be more likely to listen if I'm hiding." He touches his fingertips to the console's scanner, getting a green light. "This is Superman."

There's another bang on the doors as the ring comes up with its best interpretation for 'Superman' in Old Norse. Maybe I should have told it to refer to him as Kal-El instead?

"You're inside our Watchtower. Identify yourselves."

I hear a quiet voice, and several moments pass with no more bangs. Then there's a short burst of untranslatable Norse. Intelligent undead, at least.

"I am Prince Jon Haraldson, Marshall of the Einherjar. Open these doors at once."

Mister Kent looks at me. "Should I call him 'Marshall' or 'Prince'?"

How the heck am I supposed to know? Ring, anything on Viking military organisation?

Data available.

"
Probably Marshall, but the Vikings were pretty informal about that sort of thing. But Marshall implies that he's in charge of the whole thing, all the Einherjar."

Mister Kent nods. "You came here in the service of our enemy, Marshall Haraldson. I'm not too keen on giving you the run of the place."

"His pact with Odin had us fight for him once. If he fell, then his bargain died with him. Our allegiance is to Odin."

"I want your oath that you will conduct yourselves peacefully while you are here."

There's a pause. Again, through the damaged doors I can hear snatches of conversation.

"Do you rule here?"

"Batman is our current chairman, but I can speak for him."

"I will so swear if I may have the same oath from you."

Mister Kent glances at me once more. "Will he keep his word?"

"If he swears by a god he's literally met? I think so. I mean, trust but verify…"

He nods. "I swear by Rao that you will be treated as our guests, unless you violate our hospitality."

"Then in Odin's name I swear that we will behave as your guests. Now open the door!"

Mister Kent presses the door release. The mechanisms clunk, then nothing happens. "Marshall, you've damaged the door mechanism. I'm going to have to force it." He walks out in front of the door. "Flash, Orange Lantern, stand back. Just in case."
 
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17:32 GMT +1



He nods. "I swear by Rao that you will be treated as our guests, unless you violate our hospitality."

"Then in Odin's name I swear that we will behave as your guests. Now open the door!"

Mister Kent presses the door release. The mechanisms clunk, then nothing happens. "Marshall, you've damage the door mechanism. I'm going to have to force it." He walks out in front of the door. "Flash, Orange Lantern, stand back. Just in case."

great they are swearing by two asshole's

so they might actually honor it.

also, behave like 'cross-dressing' Thor, or 'three contests' Thor, Odin and Loki?
 
Huh. Always a pleasant surprise to see this show up early. It'll be interesting to see what the Justice League/OL intend to do with undead (space!(technically!)) vikings.
 
Hah, I'd forgotten about those guys. Looks like the title is a Nazi reference.


Typos:

The Light know their identities, but either they wouldn't attack while everyone was here or that attack would be a nuke and it would have gone off my now.
"by"

I checked with Alan and the Spear's mind control effect requires either than the user own the area its being used in or a lengthy ritual to take ownership.
"it's"

We appear outside the vault, Mister Allen looking around as the air displaces by our arrival breezes past him.
"displaced"

"Marshall, you've damage the door mechanism.
"damaged"
 
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