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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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HanEmpire said:
@Mr Zoat: Is having one son and a whole bunch of daughters a thing for the Marrack family? If so how does Robert have a magic-using uncle?
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Obvious answer: they don't know.
Could be that it's unusual but can happen.
Could be magic.
Could be they're twins.
Could be someone's father isn't who they think it is.
Could be something else.
The SI noticed that it was odd but didn't think it was important enough to look into.
 
drvash said:
Is DC-vampirism a viral contagion like in Marvel?
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Offhand vampirism has had three origins in DC comics that I'm aware of.

1) The white wolf route, Cain the first murderer was given the mark of cain for killing Abel by God and spread vampirism.

2) Carnivore, from Supergirl, who was apparently an angel or something similar, he was a native of Heaven who left in a scheme to wrest the universe from God.

3) I believe there's a third version in which vampires were the creation of a demon, but I don't know too much about that.

Also, there's the Russian formula from I...Vampire- The Russians discovered the vector for vampirism and edited out all the weaknesses, although it's never been clear to me that just meant that they didn't need to drink blood and could go sunbathing in Hawaii or if that meant that if you tried to stake and decapitate one of these supervampires you wouldn't have a dead vampire but a lecture "What's the matter with you? Were you raised in a barn? Decapitation is just rude!"

In the comics it was presented as purely a scientific achievement, on the off chance Zoat uses it he'd probably make it alchemical in nature.

There is also Dagon of the Team Titans, a boy who was given a DNA transfusion from the corpse of Dracula, turning him into an artificial vampire.
 
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Silverias said:
So, what do you guys put the odds at a VampOL at?
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Depends on whether you mean this Paul or a Paul.

A vampire Paul is a high probability, since there's a world in which the entire Justice League is comprised of vampires, which is different from the far more famous universe in which Dracula turned Batman into a vampire.

Although I'd want that Paul to be a Red Lantern, because why just be a vampire when you can be a vampire with fiery acidic blood?

In Supergirl there's a universe in which everyone is a werewolf. Hopefully in that world Martian Manhunter grows hair when he transforms because a giant green chihuahua couldn't be a good look for him.
 
Angelform said:
You imply that preventing the death of Lantern Scott is a secondary objective!?
Good sir, that is heresy most vile.
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Obviously, I personally consider it to be a primary objective. Promise!

But the game does not consider it to be a primary quest because it isn't integral to progressing the main storyline. In the most technical sense, and with no offence meant to the guy, saving Alan's life is a sidequest.

*Braces for Cheerleadra-punch*
 
Mr Zoat said:
I take a few hurried steps to catch up. "Pretty well. Based on the performances I've been able to analyse you're the most adaptable Greenie. High DPS, high utility in rescue operations and-."

Tora's head pokes around from the far side of Guy's chest. "DPS? Is that some sort of Justice League code?"

Beatriz falls in on the far side of Tora as we enter the park. "It means 'damage per second'. You mean you've actually worked out how much damage members of the Justice League can inflict?"
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Zig said:
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"Well...it definitely ups his DPS by quite a bit, I'll give it that much. It might be a good idea, if it wasn't totally insane."
 
Avernus said:
"Well...it definitely ups his DPS by quite a bit, I'll give it that much. It might be a good idea, if it wasn't totally insane."
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"Maybe if it deployed a containing bubble first, then set off the nuke, containing the blast and focusing all the damage in one, extremely small area."

Honestly, crumbler arrows would do the same job, probably just as well. But given time, Paul could totally make a useable nuke arrow.
 
Wow, that inspired me to look up Green Arrow's trick arrow list.

Has anyone perused it recently?

Obviously Ollie has a mad scientist on the payroll, since the list ranges from gelatin to anti-missile.
 
mrttao said:
Didn't they just mention that they had to infuse it with magic to make it work?
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It came up a while back, when Captain Marvel was wounded that ring-cloned blood lacks an arcane presence.

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"We have to wake him up. Doctors, were the blood tests alright?"

Mister Yao nods. "I could sense no rejection between the blood taken from Captain Marvel and the donated blood Robin was able to acquire. The sample you cloned, it… It felt wrong. None of my past lives remember encountering such a lack of spiritual substance."

I nod. With time, we could probably set up some sort of mana infusion system for cloned blood samples but that's time we don't have now. "Donor samples it is then."
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jcw3 said:
If she's not eating good and innocent people, who gives a fuck about a condition that probably wasn't her fault?
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I'd care quite a bit if it's made her a sociopath. OL didn't list it among the list of drawbacks, admittedly.
drvash said:
Is DC-vampirism a viral contagion like in Marvel?
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I thought Marvel vampires were created by Odin?

Anyway, in DC, they're definitely magic.

DC vampires have a somewhat troubled continuity - for example, there was a oneshot where Dracula exploded on drinking Superman's blood that was never referenced again - but here's the stuff I remember that's appeared multiple times:
  • Their natural weapons can harm Superman.
  • If they've fed off you, they can control your mind.
  • Aliens taste icky.
  • Shapeshifting.
  • They're harmed by true faith channeled through a holy symbol.
Some versions of DC vampires are Always Chaotic Evil, but many aren't. Looker remained a hero after her transformation, as did Batman. EDIT: I guess you could suggest that it has something to do with the bite-related mind control?

Slayer Anderson said:
I understand the off-putting nature of vampires, but I normally find that I dislike vamps being portrayed as 'always evil/bad/antithetical to life' just about as much as 'cybernetics eat your soul.'
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But like half the point of vampires is that they're monsters that convert you into an evil version of yourself. If they don't actually induce sociopathy, they're usually a metaphor for addiction and temptation at the very least.
Massgamer said:
@Mr Zoat on a different note can the golem bodies be used for other things like simple minded workers?
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They seem pretty expensive.
Hampsterpig said:
"Maybe if it deployed a containing bubble first, then set off the nuke, containing the blast and focusing all the damage in one, extremely small area."

Honestly, crumbler arrows would do the same job, probably just as well. But given time, Paul could totally make a useable nuke arrow.
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Attach a flight belt to one!

(More seriously, you can't build a conventional nuclear device that small, so God only knows how it works.)
 
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MugaSofer said:
But like half the point of vampires is that they're monsters that convert you into an evil version of yourself. If they don't actually induce sociopathy, they're usually a metaphor for addiction and temptation at the very least.
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It really depends on what kind of 'Vampire' you're working with when one talks about this. After all, Our Vampires Are Different.

I mean, some types of vampire are just reanimating a corpse with a demon (ala Buffy), while others are verifiable blood-borne illnesses (ala Being Human).

Some forms of vampirism magnify your inner qualities or put you more closely in touch with your violent nature, while others just give you an allergy to sunlight and garlic.

It really depends on what the author wants vampirism to symbolism in his or her story. Yes, classically, vampires are symbols of temptation and sexuality or addiction to said vices, but the trope has been played with so much over the course of nearly two centuries (more if you count mythologies) that the original interpretation of the fictional condition is only relevant when a creator wants it to be.

I just prefer to see more shades of grey in my fictional monsters/afflictions than outright black/white good/evil statuses. The real world is a complicated mess and I kind of like my fiction to at least attempt verisimilitude.
 
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