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I'm not really sure why Gravy wants to kill Mordru currently. Killing Klarion made sense on a number of levels, but Mordru seems like a decent Chaos Lord if Earth has to have one. Why the immediate plans to kill him other than that he is a potential threat?

Grayven may not be as close to Alan as Paragon is, but he still likes him and wouldn't want a Lord of Chaos to take out a good bit of vengeance out of his hide.

Aside from that, Mordru is considerably more intelligent and focused that Klarion. If he decides to pull something like Klarion's "Adult and Child split", it would in all likelihood result in a far higher body count.

He's also considerably more difficult to deal with due to A) fully aware that Grayven is capable of killing a Lord of Chaos and B) like Grayven mention, is the sort to actually scry before trying to Scry-and-Die someone.


EDIT: Also what everyone else said.
 
I forget if Dr. Niles Caulder is even in this universe, if so Graven could find out Brain's real name by looking up french scientists who worked with him, but died in a tragic accident just prior to the Brain's first appearance. Not that I imagine Graven would care either way, but there are enough facts known about Brain that one could find out who he was if they spent the time and energy required to find out.
 
Probably Grayven not knowing that Savage knows Darkseid. What THAT means is probably being misinterpreted by those expected him to.
Savage: Really? REALLY? I know we have professional secrecy even amongst friends, but you could at least admit to knowing I'm a business associate of your father-


...does Vandal actually know the genuine Grayven? THAT could be interesting...
 
I was re-watching Young Justice a few days a go and I was thinking the same thing, What the hell does the Cave man bring to the table? Does the Light really need Fred Flintstone on it?
 
"If there is anything you wish to get off your chest, Mister Grayven?"
The stare's still there, but there's something… He's disappointed?
Obviously Savage was expecting Grayven to do/say something here. And Grayven does not know what it was. Any guesses from the peanut gallery?

Doees his not knowing how he is supposed to be act going to give away he is not the original Grayven?

FIND OUT NEXT EPISODE!

SAME ZOAT TIME!

SAME ZOAT THREAD!
 
intellectual than hormonally driven.
Thank you, corrected.
I forget if Dr. Niles Caulder is even in this universe, if so Graven could find out Brain's real name by looking up french scientists who worked with him, but died in a tragic accident just prior to the Brain's first appearance. Not that I imagine Graven would care either way, but there are enough facts known about Brain that one could find out who he was if they spent the time and energy required to find out.
Dr Caulder had little or nothing to do with Brain's brainification on Earth 16.
 
Mordru is "a villain in [Grayven's] power range", a vengeful foe of the JSA, and is going to be harder for Grayven to deal with.

It'll be interesting to see if that's true, if they are "in the same power range" that is.

Some versions of Mordru could bitchslap Grayven into oblivion blindfolded, with one hand tied behind his back, and stinking drunk
 
I always assumed Vandal Savage earned his place by being the one who had the idea of The Light in the first place, the one who contacted and managed to convince the others to join and to accept him, if not as the boss, then at least as a first among equals chairman/speaker, the role he clearly occupies in the canon show.

Because the traditional etiquette of supervillain organizations is clear: if you are the one who is allowed to perform the most prestigious role in the group - the menacing expositionary gloating - then you are the one at least nominally in charge.
 
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after dealing with our newest lord of chaos.

Vandal savage: sadly after Mordu's sudden fatal accident we were shrot our magical advisor.

Brain: good news everyone! I found us a replacement!

Enter Trigon.

Grayven: takes daughter and jade and nopes the hell off that reality.
nahh you coul work with trigon just very carefully and be prepared to betray him fast
 
I wonder what Grayven's focus will be? Innovation and Direction?
Iunno... it's not like he gets a paycheck, and redundancy for roles is a good thing, mostly.
So far, Grayven's shtick has been "resource optimization" i.e. making sure pre-existing personnel, knowledge, technology, and resources are used to their fullest potential as well as having overlapping fields of synergy/collaboration so that the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts.

Sure, this sounds simple, but often the simplest sounding tasks prove to be the most difficult.

Don't forget about his connections to Cranius and UnCorp, trying to make transhumanism more mainstream and socially acceptable.

Semi-OT: I'd love it if Cranius allowed Grayven to awaken one or two Un-Men into Un-Gods just to see what'd happen. Cranius is all about throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, and shouldn't be afraid to step outside his comfort zone and embrace new possibilities. To paraphrase Mayuri Tsuchikuro from Bleach, "There is no such thing as perfection. To believe in perfection is to believe there is finite room for growth and evolution, which is tantamount to despair for a true scientist."
...Hold on. If Grayven wants to work with Circe so badly, why doesn't he recruit her himself?
No, I mean into his personal organization, not the Light. Lynne and Jade and that immune to destiny chick certainly aren't full Light members. Circe doesn't need to be either.
Does the Challenger Base currently have any wards or defensive enchantments? The problem with most headquarters is that they rely entirely on technology or entirely on magic, but rarely a combination of the two (see Doctor Doom).

Circe, Jean, Dr. Robbins, and Sunset Shimmer would have a lot of team synergy due to their specialties complimenting each other, with Jade as the "co-dragon" and Miss Aname as the token brute/enforcer.

And Circe could be a surrogate 'cool aunt' for Lynne and possible role model.

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P.S. I'd like it if someone in-universe pointed out that all of Grayven's minions are female.

Wonder Woman: :rage: (glare)
Grayven: "What?"
Wonder Woman: "So you just happen to surround yourself with beautiful women?"
Grayven: "Ahhh, I can see how this might look a little misogynistic, but it just worked out this way. Honest!"
Circe: :ogles: "What's the matter? Feeling jealous?"
Wonder Woman: :rage: :rage: :rage:

OR

Jade: :rage: "What's this I hear about you building a harem?"
Grayven: :eek: "Honey, I can explain!!!"

 
So far, Grayven's shtick has been "resource optimization" i.e. making sure pre-existing personnel, knowledge, technology, and resources are used to their fullest potential as well as having overlapping fields of synergy/collaboration so that the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts.

Sure, this sounds simple, but often the simplest sounding tasks prove to be the most difficult.

Don't forget about his connections to Cranius and UnCorp, trying to make transhumanism more mainstream and socially acceptable.

Semi-OT: I'd love it if Cranius allowed Grayven to awaken one or two Un-Men into Un-Gods just to see what'd happen. Cranius is all about throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, and shouldn't be afraid to step outside his comfort zone and embrace new possibilities. To paraphrase Mayuri Tsuchikuro from Bleach, "There is no such thing as perfection. To believe in perfection is to believe there is finite room for growth and evolution, which is tantamount to despair for a true scientist."


Does the Challenger Base currently have any wards or defensive enchantments? The problem with most headquarters is that they rely entirely on technology or entirely on magic, but rarely a combination of the two (see Doctor Doom).

Circe, Jean, Dr. Robbins, and Sunset Shimmer would have a lot of team synergy due to their specialties complimenting each other, with Jade as the "co-dragon" and Miss Aname as the token brute/enforcer.

And Circe could be a surrogate 'cool aunt' for Lynne and possible role model.

=
P.S. I'd like it if someone in-universe pointed out that all of Grayven's minions are female.

Wonder Woman: :rage: (glare)
Grayven: "What?"
Wonder Woman: "So you just happen to surround yourself with beautiful women?"
Grayven: "Ahhh, I can see how this might look a little misogynistic, but it just worked out this way. Honest!"
Circe: :ogles: "What's the matter? Feeling jealous?"
Wonder Woman: :rage: :rage: :rage:

OR

Jade: :rage: "What's this I hear about you building a harem?"
Grayven: :eek: "Honey, I can explain!!!"


Taking after his father and building his own Female Furies
 
Savage just told me that Ra's and Lex could do his job.
Actually, he said he could do both of their jobs. If you are looking for downsizing, he is a twofer, giving you both the worldwide organization of mooks and intelligence gathering and the economic resources of lex luthor.

On top of that, he said he is subtle enough for those not to be easily detected and linked to him. While lexcorp and the league of shadows are well known to all the heroes
 
Savage just told me that Ra's and Lex could do his job. Unless he just chose not to mention something?

There's definitely something to be said for overlapping skill sets, as well as having a jack of all trades (including the master of none aspect) on a team. Even having them in a managing position (or in charge of a small organization like this) makes some sense. Of course using this defense for Savage 16 is moot since he thought sicing Mongul and Darkseid on Earth were good ideas...
 
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