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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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There is also the fact that previously all of the Faunus in the world were rounded up and forced to live in a reservation called Menagerie. Now, granted, Faunus aren't forced to stay there anymore, but that's because there was literally a war called the Faunus Rights Revolution. Governmental actions like that were traumatic and horrific enough in reality, let alone on a place like Remnant where you literally have unending swarms of soulless killing machines attracted to negative emotions.

I expect that the treatment of Faunus differs depending on the Kingdom in question. We see Faunus students from Vale and Atlas at the Vytal Festival, which is a major international diplomatic event for the best and brightest, so there's likely not any official stigma in either of those nations.

But enough about that, back to ponies!

Given some time to think about it I am very interested in seeing what turning Sunset Shimmer into a new god might do. She's explicitly a magical prodigy and seems to have ridiculous mystic potential if the whole wings and horn thing in her present Final Form are any indication. As Zatanna and Fate/Zatara are presently somewhat alienated from Grayven this is an excellent boon for him. The question is just going to be how her magic interacts with Earth Magic. By all accounts Equestrian Magic is fundamentally Order/Chaos based in a Harmony/Disharmony sort of way. Thus, if she manages to actually form harmonious social bonds with people she'll go one way, and if she doesn't she'll go the other.

It'll be interesting to see I think.
 
Mr Zoat said:
That's why I asked if Arc of the Revolution accurately covered the background. Because if the whole thing is run off the back of Faunis slave labour death camps that remind him of Apokolips...

Fuck 'em.
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They aren't quite that bad.

Think more 'company towns or workhouses in 19th century Industrial Revolution England/America' than 'Dachau'.

Sure, it's basically indentured servitude, and they are probably abused, but they aren't directly worked to death - it's just more cost efficient not to pay them much or to pay them in company scrip.
 
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Mercenary said:
Like I said.

DO you see what happens Ambush Bug? Do you see what happens, when you punt the SI from its correct reality!?

The goddamn walls are breaking!
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Technically, what's happening with Grayven is the results of the robobug he killed(?) that then vanished while he was holding it. OL's tour of Alts is due to Ambush Bug trying to kick him out of the YJ universe.

Averusblack said:
"Do we get to see Darth Vader get a yellow ring? I want to see Vader get a yellow ring."
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Mr Zoat said:
How dare you not like all the things I like?
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makes me think of this. :D

Mr Zoat said:
Cinder wanted the Maiden's magic, fine. What else she wants, we don't know. The Fang want to stop being second class citizens and their chosen method is violent resistance. Depending on how badly they were provoked, that may or may not be justified. That said, Cinder had to take control of them Ork style before they'd follow her.
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There's also the question of what Cinder's Boss wants (which I suspect is 'nothing good for the people of the 4 kingdoms, human or Faunus')

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That sounds more like they're targeting authority than targeting humans.
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well, in RWBY, most Authority does seem to be humans (partly because they are a clear majority of the population)

On the topic of crossover, I've lost track of the post, but Zoat listed off a list of crossover acronyms a while back, which included DN and MLP:FIM (which we've now seen). The only other one from that list which I can recall, was A:TLA (Avatar: The Last Airbender for those wondering), but there were 2 or 3 others as well.
 
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Thing is, I'm having trouble getting from 'corporate sharp practice' to 'paramilitary organisation with mass popular support'. Blake was a member of this organisation for a significant period of time. The situation would make more sense to me if something dodgy was going on in the background, in one of the setting videos I haven't watched.
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Well, Blake did mention that a few years back there was a turn over in the Fang's leadership (how voluntary that turnover was is unclear), just before they became more militant.
 
Norgarth said:
On the topic of crossover, I've lost track of the post, but Zoat listed off a list of crossover acronyms a while back, which included DN and MLP:FIM (which we've now seen). The only other one from that list which I can recall, was A:TLA (Avatar: The Last Airbender for those wondering), but there were 2 or 3 others as well.
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Kung Fu Panda, Teen Titans, Justice League of America. This is probably not an exhaustive list though.
 
Meh

This episode has been a roller coaster of hit and misses, this one is another miss... but as someone else said a deconstruction doesn't work without the setup, so all I can do is struggle on.

Then again IT COULD be for the best to take a break for a couple of days (weeks) and binge read everything then.

@Mr Zoat I think inactive accounts are removed automatically from the Notable Members list in SB, everyone in there is an active poster, the oldest "last post" in that list is from the 21 of may, and you have not posted in SB since December
 
Empiricist2 said:
Kung Fu Panda, Teen Titans, Justice League of America. This is probably not an exhaustive list though.
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*Nods* and we've seen Teen Titans and a version of Justice League.

hmm, maybe Defector or Suicide Squad take place in the Avatar or Kung Fu Panda realities. Either that or Grayven's gonna be meeting a couple more unusual people soon.

Grayven's team, "The (very) Odd Squad"
 
Vaermina said:
That said given they can mass produce humanoid robots I doubt even that is anything slave-labor related, probably more like not paying them equally for equal work or unfair hiring practices.
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Eh....

*me waggles hand*

Sure, they can mass produce fairly sophisticated robots. But one thing to consider is which costs less? Buying/building a ton of robots(plus maintenance fees) to do whatever labor they need or hiring an equal sized group of unskilled faunus labors at minimum wage?

Mr Zoat said:
That's why I asked if Arc of the Revolution accurately covered the background. Because if the whole thing is run off the back of Faunis slave labour death camps that remind him of Apokolips...

Fuck 'em.
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It is exceedingly unlikely that any sort of Faunus slave labor death camps were a thing.

That sort of thing would drawn Grimm like flies to rotted meat with all of the negative emotions that would be there.

Mr Zoat said:
Thing is, I'm having trouble getting from 'corporate sharp practice' to 'paramilitary organisation with mass popular support'. Blake was a member of this organisation for a significant period of time. The situation would make more sense to me if something dodgy was going on in the background, in one of the setting videos I haven't watched.
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Originally, the White Fang tried for peaceful protests. Blake mentions rallies and boycotts as she's describing things to Sun.

But five years ago, there was a change in leadership and a change in methods.

It's unlikely that they shifted methods on a dime, but that was evidently the turning point.

As for mass popular support, it's hard to say. Sun, at least, doesn't think highly of the Fang.

Blake admittedly, is more willing to defend them, but she was part of it evidently since she was a small child.
 
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That sort of thing would drawn Grimm like flies to rotted meat with all of the negative emotions that would be there.
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In Arc of the Revolution, they use drugs to moderate that effect.
As for mass popular support, it's hard to say. Sun, at least, doesn't think highly of the Fang.
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In a prosperous city, they were able to gather enough interested Faunis to fill a warehouse. That's new people interested in hearing what they have to say, not existing members. You don't go along to a meeting of your country's number one paramilitary organisation because someone cut in line ahead of you at the supermarket.
 
Mr Zoat said:
In Arc of the Revolution, they use drugs to moderate that effect.
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While there was a fair bit of build up, going by the reactions of the Grimm to the stuff that happened at the tail end of season three you'd probably have to drug them so far out of their minds that it would be amazing to get people to move if you stuck them with a cattle prod. Much less run an effective death camp with them.

Gotta hand it to the Grimm, they make it real hard in indulge in mass sadism.

In a prosperous city, they were able to gather enough interested Faunis to fill a warehouse. That's new people interested in hearing what they have to say, not existing members. You don't go along to a meeting of your country's number one paramilitary organisation because someone cut in line ahead of you at the supermarket.
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Okay, that's fair.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Thing is, I'm having trouble getting from 'corporate sharp practice' to 'paramilitary organisation with mass popular support'. Blake was a member of this organisation for a significant period of time. The situation would make more sense to me if something dodgy was going on in the background, in one of the setting videos I haven't watched.
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With Blake you have to remember she was pretty much born into the organization and the left the moment she discovered they were murdering innocent people.


Norgarth said:
On the topic of crossover, I've lost track of the post, but Zoat listed off a list of crossover acronyms a while back, which included DN and MLP:FIM (which we've now seen). The only other one from that list which I can recall, was A:TLA (Avatar: The Last Airbender for those wondering), but there were 2 or 3 others as well.
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Following everything so far I guess that means he will be meeting Azula soon.


Mr Zoat said:
In Arc of the Revolution, they use drugs to moderate that effect.
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No mention of something like that in the actual show or EU however.

In a prosperous city, they were able to gather enough interested Faunis to fill a warehouse. That's new people interested in hearing what they have to say, not existing members. You don't go along to a meeting of your country's number one paramilitary organisation because someone cut in line ahead of you at the supermarket.
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They didn't, there was only about 50 the rest were already members.



Also it didn't fill the warehouse and seems to be mostly teenagers.
 
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I like this new development -- it'd be interesting to explore the links to a brighter, softer setting and those social and metaphysical implications.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Ah, my mistake. Still, I doubt that the Real IRA could get that many people in Londonderry.
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In regards to the White Fang and Faunus labour my understanding was that Schee had Faunhus do the dangerous and unpleasant work for very low wages but they were not at the death camps point.

Mostly because Grimm are drawn to negativity and that would include guards who either have to watch slave labour or actively endorse it which simply won't work. That and while Blake mentions unethical labour practices she doesn't hint at slave labour

The white Fang went genocidal after Cinder black mailed it's leader into working for her and helping her goal of stir up as much chaos as possible.

If you want a reference for how Rwby might work I would recommend Earthscorpion's rebuild posts in Storybuilding - Rebuilding RWBY which provide a realistic model for how remant might function politically.
 
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    When I saw that the nearest café was a Sundollar, I nearly tried to lead Miss Shimmer somewhere else. Fortunately for her, Lynne stopped me with a raised eyebrow. Yeah, okay, my contempt for the place isn't entirely rational… It isn't as if I'm ever going to be in a position where I'm going to need to make use of the services their untaxed switched profits aren't paying for, but when something arouses my ire I tend to stay properly ired up.

    Lynne took the window seat facing the door and I sat down next to her after helping Miss Shimmer into the seat opposite. She's staring moodily at her coffee, as if trying to drink it with her mind.

    "Do you want me to get you a straw?"

    "I don't-." She exhales, looking away from it and me to the view through the window. "I can't do anything! I can't even pick things up with these claw-things-."

    "They're called 'hands'." Lynne picks up her milkshake. "Like this, see?" Miss Shimmer gives her a dejected look, then taps her right fist fingertips-first into the side of her cup. "Oh."

    I raise my left eyebrow. "If you used to have hooves, how did you pick things up? I mean, we could get you a.. sippy cup or something if you used your mouth?"

    "I used my horn."

    I screw up my eyes. How would that work? "Was it prehensile?"

    "No." She scowls at me, trying to work out whether I'm mocking her or not. "My horn was the focus of my magic. Moving things with thaumokinesis is easy." She goes back to staring at her cup. "At least it.. was."

    I frown. "Thaumo-."

    She rolls her eyes. "It means-."

    "I know what it means." I look her over again. The hair.. sort of fits... "This might sound odd, but… Were you a Pony?"

    Her eyes widen. "Yes! Are there other Ponies around here? Do you know another way for me to get home?"

    "I… Sorry, ah…" I shake my head. "I've heard about a lot of different species, but…"

    Lynne looks at me like I've said something weird. Yeah, okay, I'll give her that one. "She's a.. Pony? She doesn't look like a Pony."

    "Equus Sapiens Monocerotos. I'm a Unicorn Pony." She makes a face. "I was, anyway. Stupid Monkey-body."

    Lynne valiantly tries to take this in. "You were an intelligent Pony, and you came through a portal that turned you into a Human?"

    "I didn't know it was going to do that! Now I'm stuck with hand-claws and no magic for Celestia knows how long!"

    !!!

    "Celestia. That would be the big white pony with the suns on her bum, right?"

    "You know her?!"

    "Um. Just.. stories, really." Okay, I'm in a Detective Comics universe. I've met Superman. There's nothing inherently more strange about encountering someone from Wilson. "Do.. you know her?"

    "I-!" And she deflates again. "I was her student."

    !PonyPonyPonyPonyPony!

    "Like Twilight Sparkle?"

    She frowns. "Who?"

    Huh. Divergent timeline, or just an earlier point? Or.. later? Could ask about Princess Luna to establish that? No, she's going to start thinking I know where her home planet is and that I'm just keeping it from her. Um. "I do have some good news, however. As far as I can tell, your magic reserves are still as strong as ever. You just need to learn how to utilise them as a Human."

    She holds up her right hand and manages to slightly uncoil her fingers. "With.. these things?"

    "Human.. magic.. is more…" I wave my right hand as I try and summarise what I know in a way that would make sense to someone-. Somepony from Equestria. "Like… The world has all sorts of arcane systems in it already, so you're working out how to connect your bits to those bits to tweak them into doing what you want."

    Miss Shimmer looks thoughtful. "That sounds a little like how Earth Pony magic works."

    Lynne looks lost. "Earth Pony?"

    Miss Shimmer nods. "Equestria was settled by three migrating tribes of Ponies. Unicorn Ponies, with their horns-" She moves her fist to indicate her forehead. "-that could focus their magics to do all sort of things, Pegasus Ponies, with their wings-"

    Lynne gives her an incredulous look. "Ponies who can fly? Ponies can't fly."

    "-and innate magics that reduced their effective weight so they can fly, as well as manipulate weather, and Earth Ponies, whose magics increased their physical strength and endurance as well as giving them simple instinctive floramantic abilities."

    "Flora-?"

    "They could make plants grow better."

    "Oh."

    I nod. "And Alicorns, who get all that and more." I reach across the table, pick up her cup in my right hand and hold it up to convenient drinking height. She hesitates for a moment, then dips her head and takes a small sip. "You did research into Earth Pony magic?"

    She nods as she swallows. "As much as I could. Canterlot doesn't have farms, but the palace gardeners let me watch them work sometimes. Of course, I.. can't really push my magic out through my hooves anymore." She sighs.

    "Why did you even come through the portal like that?"

    "I…" She looks away. "Sort of… Fell out. With Princess Celestia." She hesitates again and then turns back to me. "The other side of the portal is a magic mirror. It.. showed me myself as an Alicorn. And, well, that seemed like the best goal for my research.. and Celestia wouldn't tell me anything about how you become an Alicorn. I guess I just thought the mirror could help me… Ascend." Another sigh. "And instead it turned me into a Monkey."

    "Ape."

    "What's so good about being an Alicorn?" Lynne shrugs. "If you could use magic anyway…"

    "Alicorns don't age. If I became an Alicorn I'd have all the time in the universe to learn magic, the magics of all three tribes instead of just Unicorn magic. And having the magic of all three tribes makes their magic much stronger." This time it's a huff. "I'd know more if Celestia had actually helped me."

    Lynne looks at me. "So… Like us?"

    Miss Shimmer frowns. "Like us what?"

    "Grayven can do a thing he calls 'Awakening' where he alters you so you can become much more powerful."

    Miss Shimmer looks at me in astonishment. "You can do that?"

    "I can do that to Humans. I've never done it to a Pony before. Your metaphysique is probably quite different."

    "I'm a Human now."

    "Yes, but I assume that you're going to want to go home at some point." Hmm. "Okay, here's what I think we should do. You need a place to stay, people who can understand your language, research materials and, um…" I nod at her right fist. "Physical therapy."

    She looks at her right fist too. "Ye-eah."

    "If you want to sign on with me, I can arrange that."

    She looks a little suspicious. "You'll let me study you?"

    "Hah. I am a fascinating subject. And I can probably find you a few other subjects as well. Iname?"

    A puff of air and Miss Amane is sitting next to Miss Shimmer, who looks around in shock. "Ah! How did you-! Teleportation? No, that wouldn't-."

    Miss Amane smiles beatifically. "Master gave me the power to move at super speed."

    Miss Shimmer starts to smile. "Oh, I'm going to study the hay out of this."
     
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    a stable relationship with a woman he loves
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    Seeing how there hasn't been any screentime with her since he fulfilled his initiation mission of killing and replacing a member of the Light, did so on life TV, got imprisoned, came back from an alternate universe and then got pardoned and how he hasn't managed to mention his new daughter to her I'm actually not so sure as to just how stable their relationship really is.
     
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