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Think of the smelting potential
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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EnygmaSoul
Company of Negotiable Virtue
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- In your eyes and in your arms and in your head.
As a native of Louisiana, where the name Hebert was originally introduced to the United States (and where it is still extremely common), I can say without doubt or qualification that it is pronounced in a manner that rhymes with "hey, bear." If I wanted to be all technically phonetic, that would be AI-bair, emphasis on the first syllable. I've researched the name before, due to a specific friend who bears it, and as I recall, it originates with two Old German words, "hari" and "behrt" and means something along the lines of a glorious army. Or illustrious. Or something like that, I just remember it being a hyperbolic superlative. Here in Louisiana, it's largely associated with a Cajun ethnic background.
Edit: It occurs to me that "Ai-bair" with emphasis on the first syllable could be described as "Hey, bear" as if it were pronounced by The Fonz.
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Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
Does this mean you've finished Worm? Or have you just read enough fanfiction to get the gist of the plot? Last time this came up I don't think you had read it.
I think this is a mistake literally everyone makes.
How were you imagining an ICBM being destroyed by the Fortress? I was imagining lasers or freeze rays, which both have huge ranges. The Fortress has forcefields of strength unknown to anyone aside from OL, so they would need to detonate it as close as possible, and any automated defences would have sufficient time to destroy the missiles.
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- madison
don't forget its most potent anti WMD defense, being in close proximity to America. No one who remembers anything about the cold war would detonate a nuke near American territory unless they had no alternative. Best case scenario is the USA rips into you diplomatically and extracts concessions, worst case you trigger an automated system and start WWIII
TotalAbsolutism
That One Guy
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- New Zealand
It feels like you either improperly cut out some stuff here, or added a line space where it needn't be. Right between 'spot.' and 'I', there. It's really bugging me, actually, as I saw several people quote it but not say anything.
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- Australia
So Wildbow was teasing us with the Meaningful Name comic cliché the entire time?
...Why am I even surprised at this point?
Science
If you're reading this, omae wa mo shindeiru.
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- Killeen, TX
There's nothing shameful about doing science or "SCIENCE!".
That's nice. But this is Murkah, where original pronunciations are made up and phonetics don't matter.
Colony 15.3 said:
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- Somewhere!
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- She/Her
WB is Canadian, which means he has much less of an excuse. I'm pretty sure the Quebecois would be really upset at someone calling it Heebert.
Sorry, can't make out your post because of all this FREEDOM I'm seeing.WB is Canadian, which means he has much less of an excuse. I'm pretty sure the Quebecois would be really upset at someone calling it Heebert.
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- Hampden Park
Osmosis only.
Huh, weird. On the width I use it just looks like a natural break. Thank you, corrected.
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- Oblivion
I always forget Zoat only knows the fanon bits of Worm.
But brain damage wouldn't make much sense unless the telepath helping was particularly bad at their job or brute forcing the issue instead of slowly working their way with Fire's help through the subconscious block.
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Well said, especially "A tour de force with breadth, whit and depth." Mr Zoat puts in an amazing effort and he engages well with his audience.
Some other readers may applaud your decision not to read renegade Paul but my view is that you're missing out on more breadth, whit and depth. Part of the additional depth comes from being able to compare and contrast the two SIs.
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You're assuming that there is a block. There isn't. Fire likes what she can do. There is no psychological impediment to her getting stronger. In the comics it took a Dominator Gene Bomb to boost her to the levels we're most familiar with her being.
Edit: And possibly Terrorsmith.
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- Oulu
Hmm... I don't think Fire's unshippable, but there isn't much chemistry.
Of course, we all know Paul will end up with Wonder Woman, and there isn't that much chemistry there, either.
Basically, imagine a robotic stealth fighter on a suicide run rather than a conventional 'missile'... and that's how I'd do it without schizotech.
Of course, we all know Paul will end up with Wonder Woman, and there isn't that much chemistry there, either.
Well. My ridiculously expensive nukes would also be rather SMART. such as, if they're within acceptable range, and about to be intercepted, just blow up already. Depends on detecting point-defense in time, though.
Basically, imagine a robotic stealth fighter on a suicide run rather than a conventional 'missile'... and that's how I'd do it without schizotech.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
And what if the detection and attack radius for anti-missile lasers/freeze rays is larger than the radius of a blast needed to destroy the Fortress by your bomb? I looked up the fireball size of the Tsar Bomba, the detonation of which would be tantamount to the start of WWIII, and the fireball radius was only 6km. Alien space laser turrets would almost certainly have a greater range than that, given that they're used in space and 6km is basically melee range in that environment. I don't imagine Earth has the tech to hide from the sensors in the Green Lantern database either.
As for destroying the Fortress, you'd be better off with ship mounted railgun cannons firing tungsten slugs. Can fire from beyond the horizon, and so lasers/any other energy weapons can't hit the ship, tungsten is fantastically hard to melt, freezing does nothing, and you're not going to start a nuclear war.
Silverias
Seeing is Believing
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- Squiddy Places
I said I'd do it, and I've decided to get onto it. I will not be declaring winners in categories, we're well beyond that at this point. Grayven and OL are far too different.
Ring Aptitude
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Innate properties
Future prospects
Personality Traits
Ring Aptitude
Extremely fine control bolstered by a seemingly limitless well of avarice to draw on thanks to The Ophidian. Has been shown to rely heavily on his ring, letting his sidearm training slip. Has been shown to use fine control when brute force would be more applicable, allowing his construct filaments to be disrupted by more powerful effects. Has shown the ability to instantly usurp a Green Lantern ring, something that Grayven could not do with minutes of effort. Fights with his ring defensively, using a lot of FTL transitions and indirect methods of attack. A big fan of the railgun construct. Uses branding far more often than Grayven. Ring Constructs include Teekl, a literal horde of Praexis demons, and The Late T.O. Morrow, who was assimilated by Truggs before he could die, and then claimed by OL.
Has two rings of seperate colors. This makes him more versatile in effect than original-flavor OL. His baseline seems to run a little higher when it comes to power, but he lacks the fine control that OL seems to demonstrate. Tends to be more direct in his confrontations, trusting his divine resilience, brute strength, and overwhelming martial might to carry him to decisive victories. Has noticeably slower assimilation speed due to lacking best embodiment, but has shown far more willingness to use it. Construct Lanterns include Nabu, Bane, and Sportsmaster
Has an absolutely insanely broad armory, including vertigo generators, psionic chaff grenades, power armor, magical materials, The Sword of the Fallen, a doom fortress that he uses to glaciate the poles of the planet, and the ability to fabricate a catalog of uplifting technologies thanks to his assimilating of Lantern Stewart's ring. Has also shown use of plasma sidearms, X-ionized weaponry, flight belts, and the Danner formula for others. OL also uses "Mageslayer" rounds, and "Spelleater Wards", both based on designs by Sephtian which are immensely effective at absorbing and diffusing arcane energy, leading to very effective anti-magic strategy. Worth noting is the fact that OL still retains his orange lantern, while Grayven was forced to surrender his when he stopped accepting the authority of The JLU
Has many of the same technologies as Orange Lantern, but this is supplemented by the ability to temporarily dose himself with the Garrick Formula. He also has access to a vast array of new god technology through his comrade "Father Box" who allows warp travel through the use of boom tubes. Only has a yellow lantern, hampering his use of orange lighit but making Yellow available to him. Also has a purple death ray.
OL's team includes the entire original team, Rocket, Cornwall Boy, Tula, and Garth. Provisional members include Speedy/Arsenal, Squire, and Troia. OL's Artemis and Robin have been supplied with the Danner formula, making them extremely physically potent. Superboy has had the same treatment, putting him near Superman's level of physical strength, and also carries the blessing of Helios, putting him under constant Yellow sun exposure. Superboy also has a set of Nth metal armor. All of OL's team members can fly thanks to replicated flight belts.
Grayven currently lacks a real team thanks to his "betrayal" of the JLU. His former team had been uplifted into New Gods through his use of Father Box. It also included Match due to his knowledge of Kryptonian physiology, and Celestial Archer due to Grayven's closer ties with The Chinese Government. Grayven is currently nominally affiliated with The Light, likely as an undercover agent. Allies include Sphere, Mr. Tawny, and his newly adopted god-daughter, Lynne, a powerful telepath who was known as "Ace" in another alternate reality.
OL has gone out of his way to foster positive relationships with everyone he possibly can. This includes, Themyscira, Atlantis, The Cadmus creations, and even doing his best to be on good terms with The Guardians. Has already made positive overtures towards The Controllers as well. Specific allies include Io, Sephtian, The Ophidian, Eris, Hera, Hephaestus, Gaea, Swamp Thing, Constantine, and even nominally Lex Luthor.
Grayven has focused more personally, and thus after his betrayal is finding himself without a great deal of allies. He has made connections with China, The New Gods of Apokalips (This is tentative at best, and is more like benign neglect), Bialya, and The Light.
OL lacks many of the augmentations of Grayven, but has a few that could be considered far more powerful. He is intimately linked to the Ophidian, with her own heart acting as his soul. He is immune to being scried, and continues to add nearby magic to his soul through a number of tattoos procured through his connection to John Constantine. He also has extremely effective empathic vision, able to discern the emotional mores of people he looks at. Both OL and Grayven also have an orange light aura that causes those near them to be more willing to act on their desires. Is far more socially adept than Grayven, and can leverage his Empathic vision effectively as a result.
Grayven is a new god. This means beyond his extreme fortitude and strength granted originally by venom buster, he has intense metaphysical weight. He heals through absorbing magic, and can enforce his soul onto others. This also grants him access to Godspeech. With the assistance of Father Box, he is capable of uplifting other people to new godhood, and seems to be some combination of "New God of Conquest" and "New God of Avarice." Is more capable in combat than OL, outside of direct application of a power ring.
OL's future includes seeking out the Controllers and leveraging his knowledge of The Orange Light, and the OCPB to form his own corp. He preaches a form of benevolent self-interest that helps yourself by helping others. Thanks to his link to The Ophidian, as well as his access to The Sword of the Fallen, feels fairly confident he could take down Larfleeze if necessary, but does not want to chance it. Has made inroads with The Guardians and will likely encourage cooperation with the Green Lantern Corp.
Grayven focuses on a more immediate philosophy in regard to the Orange Light. Due to the fact that Grayven and OL started the same, it shares many similarities to OL's philosophy, but Grayven often considers himself the arbiter of what is "best". Grayven's willingness to kill, assimilate, betray, and manipulate has led to him losing a great deal of trust, especially from the other Earth Lanterns. This will likely complicate his plans for his corp. He also does not intend to get all of the Controllers in on his corp, instead seeking out a specific single one. Grayven also has a fiance in "Jade", but future prospects on their relationship are vague.
Personality Traits
OL is the quintessential diplomat. He seeks to get what he wants from you by giving you what you want in return. He makes friends where he goes, often through application of bribery. He also has a certain irreverence for some of the more absurd "Comic book" rules of the universe. Is entirely willing to kill, but has yet to assimilate a truly sapient being on his own yet, and shows extreme reluctance to do so.
Grayven is more of a bully than OL, but still seeks to give people what they want to get what he wants. His methods, however, often ignore morals or ethics. Has shown extremely reckless behavior in the past, including assimilating people, testing Venom Buster on himself, and continuing his charade of being Grayven. Things often come out well for Grayven because he's so damned powerful, and he knows it. This leads to a certain arrogant confidence that OL channels in other ways. Grayven has also shown, before exposure to the anti-life equation, certain personality instabilities involved with his role as "Grayven". This has lead to speculation that his Genre savvy is not quite as effective as OL's, but evidence is scarce.
...Where did he get the costume?
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- Oblivion
Then why did being drunk effect the distance she could project her powers?
I mean I could understand if she had been high on Pot or LSD since those can have some pretty big effects on a persons brain chemistry. But the big thing alcohol does is lower inhibitions and at really high levels interfere with memory formation.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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- A Valid Location
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It was established in the update that her power is tied to proprioception. That's the thing that lets you touch your nose with your eyes shut, which is one of the tests for intoxication that police officers use.Then why did being drunk effect the distance she could project her powers?
I mean I could understand if she had been high on Pot or LSD since those can have some pretty big effects on a persons brain chemistry. But the big thing alcohol does is lower inhibitions and at really high levels interfere with memory formation.
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- Canada
I'd remove this part, it's mostly just adding a bias.
Isn't it more a part of his soul, as in it's attached to it, but it's so powerful that it's all people see when they look at it.
Prince Charon
Just zis guy, you know?
That one ends up in fanfiction sometimes, both from those who believe in it, and those who know it's a myth. I like a version that uses a Royal Navy battlship, and an Irish lighthouse, during or before WWII (and generally some mention of how it's not good for your career to try to order a lighthouse to move).
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- Oblivion
No, Orange Lantern thinks it might be connected to proprioception.
Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
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- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
I'm willing to take the results of a power ring brain scan at face value, barring any contradictory data, especially since the sense of position of parts of one's self relative to one another and sense of force implemented by said parts sounds pretty damn useful for any sort of metakinetic power.
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
As he has a power ring and probably more experience with metahumans and their anatomy than possibly literally anyone, in addition to having evidence that her power is affected by a chemical that changes a variable he thinks causes her power, OL's statement on Fire's method of control of her power should be taken as true barring WoG, or someone in story with more knowledge saying otherwise. In any case, his theory is FAR more supported by the available evidence than any of your explanations.
A possibility, but definitely not a certainty. If it was likely, OL probably would have considered it.
Again, largely unsupported.
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