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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Asked him before, IIRC it basically boiled down to him not liking alterations (other versions of OL sure didn't seem to give a fuck), having to go through a couple of months where he'd be suboptimal due to having to get used to it (I find the potential benefits to outdo that but w/e) and it not being completely safe (which is the point a lot of people are making).
Though I don't see why that last one would be that huge a issue, his ring is capable of making a construct brain which he can use (Paulphidian used it to figure out how to make nth metal), if the construct brain fails then you know it's not the right way to do it, so you just test until you've figured it out.
Although the logic of wanting to be a psychic is sound, there's a bunch of low hanging fruits that should have been picked up anyway, things like improving his brain, it's both safe (remember the korean guy amygdala he healed to human perfection and he got an intelligence boost and was a lot more capable at reading people). You'd think he'd improve his brain if it was that easy. He already has some things that affect correct his flaws when wearing the ring (like perfect memory which he has while wearing the ring, but not without), so it's not like he's opposed to changing how his brain work on a small scale.
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Well, is basicaly that since Renegade went with body upgrades, making Paragon do the same would make the two way too similar.
I made mad science Paul turn himself in Frank Jr in an Omake but that was because he used it as a way to give himself a soul. And because like the Danner Formula, it's alchemy that has both existed for more than a century, is been tested to death and is quite safe.
Plus it did prove helpful when he died as it was easy to revive him.
There is probably a version of Oh El out there that became "Paula" so she might have made some other changes. Probably not, as the Gender reversed universe is suposed to mirror Paragon as much as possible besides the fact everyone is of the opposite gender than the main Paragon timeline.
Fun fact, Paula actually baked a billion chocolate cookies instead of a giant cake. So they nicknamed her Power Cookie.
Oh and unlike Paul she decided to keep supresing her hormones since as Paulafidian she basicaly dated the whole team. So is probably gonna take her a few years until she has any romantic relationships as she has yet to get over the trauma.
Plus it did prove helpful when he died as it was easy to revive him.
There is probably a version of Oh El out there that became "Paula" so she might have made some other changes. Probably not, as the Gender reversed universe is suposed to mirror Paragon as much as possible besides the fact everyone is of the opposite gender than the main Paragon timeline.
Fun fact, Paula actually baked a billion chocolate cookies instead of a giant cake. So they nicknamed her Power Cookie.
Oh and unlike Paul she decided to keep supresing her hormones since as Paulafidian she basicaly dated the whole team. So is probably gonna take her a few years until she has any romantic relationships as she has yet to get over the trauma.
Such a construct brain would be sapient, and therefore he'd be lethally experimenting on people. So, nope.
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Unless he went for the Psymon upgrade it's not like they'd be visible and renegade hardly "went with body upgrades" he just used venom-buster that one time and then shrinked down a bit with his ascension. The only way he went was full mild ass hole.
When did Zoat say that for the Paula thing? Link it.
There's noting sapient about it, he'd just be testing a different hardware and even if you could call that sapience it's not like it'd have any inherent moral value anyway.
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The whole spoiler was a spoiler cause I was talking about Omakes.
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To all of those around here that claim that I'm a bad influence; I'm not a bad influence! Its just that everyone around me gets progressively more evil as time wears on due to no fault of my own!
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Actually, back when Paul was trying to figure out phasing, his ring told him that he could very easily use the Martian style of phasing... it just required running a construct brain to do it. And doing that is the same as enslaving someone to do your bidding. Which Paul doesn't particularly like doing.
That said, there's no reason why not to incorporate a copy of the thinking cap into his power armor.
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Please provide a link, I want to read this.
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Now who might THIS lady be? Because that's some fine exasperation right there!
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Google says it's from Eris's personal blog.
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Nay some of us are just more sensible about picking the time to reveal we're some depraved abomination.
Link for that? But even if it's true he'd be "enslaving" himself (and no it's not an a clone), it's different from running someone else brain as a construct and forcing it to do things.
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She has a blog?
-mad scramble ensues-
Edit: I have found no such blog. Only large amounts of Tumblr nonsense!
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Eris, goddess of chaos and discord, and the villain of a Sinbad animated movie.
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So it's basically your own version of Revenging Angel? [hype intensifies]
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But not all Psychic Solutions need brain surgery. I think the endgame should be a permanent internal version that makes him permanently psychic, but the Thinking Cap only needed physically connected by wires in the first version. And he has run existing technology through the Ring to be streamlined and optimized before. And he can make Orange Construct addons that respond to nervous activity. He could make an Orange Light version of either Psimons implants &/or Thinking Cap Tech to make him Indefinitely Psychic and have them interface with him without needing brain surgery. And if there is a problem, drop the construct. Ophidian made herself Enduring Orange Constructs so she could think/comprehend better, and Grayven did orange nerve constructs to feel his skin, and also the Tentacles. And the Accelerated Perception is basically adding construct brain implants when in use. So he could USE these even now, and see it they would work or not, without brain surgery even being a risk. So these arguments seem flat to me.
Yeah. I remember an old Shadowrun supplement that had things like modifying bones to have bumps/ridges so muscles could attack better and you could use more strength. Or lacing muscles with biotech super strength fibers so a given mass of muscles were more efficient and stronger. Or a custom Bioplastic skin than was more durable, but could change color/texture and harden to deflect attacks, but was semi alive and could heal itself. From GURPS. Stuff where you still look the same if you want, but are better faster tougher stronger.
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Retconned out. No longer permanent.
OL has stated numerously that he doesn't like habitually using things like accelerated perception and omnicognisance because his mind might change into forms that would collapse once the construct ended.
Once the Thinking Cap is refined more, I could see OL using it. But I doubt it will be a part of his regular armament because telekinesis doesn't give him anything he can't currently do, and using telepathy distracts him from doing his Lantern stuff. Plus, M'gann is a very powerful telepath already, so it wouldn't really expand the Team's skillset.
Actively using telepathy also opens him up to telepathic attacks, one of the only things that he can still be considered especially vulnerable to.
Still think this was a dumb move. Poor Ophi-chan got Flowers for Algernon-ed.
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Yeah there was a conversation at some point about structural change that could be done with the body that'd remain permanent and be a vast improvement without needing further ring assisted care. For example strength is mostly about how the muscle are woven so it'd be an obvious upgrade or how lungs could be greatly improved (don't remember the specifics on that one). When you got absolute over your morphology there's quite a few things you can improve far beyond what natural selection can accomplish and yes I'm talking things that wouldn't actually change how he looks.
It's not that the form would collapse, it's that he'd be unable to retain the information that was aquired while doing that.
Your own quote says he can simulate it without actually creating life so clearly creating an interface to simulate what something would be within the rings capabilities. I wonder if he ever did try to aquire more info on martian neuropsysiology.
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That's toon Paul, who ended in the modern version of the world of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" and became a toon by accident. Basicaly falling in a barrel of special ink and not getting killed by it.
Now that's a good fanfic idea...
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He still can't make one that doesn't require brain implants.
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It's more about the options it gives him, there's situations where it would be better, also how would you know that it'd distract him from doing his lantern stuff. Also it's important to note that it has non-combat applications.
Isn't his telepathic defense basically just his ring doing something? It's not even clear if him using telepathy offensively would affect it and if it did bolstering his defense with additional capabilities would be a good thing.
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