Why would he care more about fixing some American shithole than an African shithole? He's originally British, not American, there's no national pride or such involved.
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Hestia&theCourt
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What Norgarth said, plus Paul is generally more interested in fixing the root causes of shitholes and letting them fix themselves.
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Okay, so "dead religion" wasn't code for hipster religion no one had heard of but a religion that pretty much everyone in the Western hemisphere has heard of. I guess the guy was just being an ass.
Dark Druid might be the least of their worries here now though.
Cernunnos is not only a Celtic god, but a Wonder Woman villain, working with The Morrigan, villains of WW's who happens to be a trio of deities.
Like Hades, Cernunnos is a deity of the Underworld, and The Morrigan are death goddesses.
In the WW plot, Cernunnos was possessing people, which might explain the mind control, yes?
Dark Druid might be the least of their worries here now though.
Cernunnos is not only a Celtic god, but a Wonder Woman villain, working with The Morrigan, villains of WW's who happens to be a trio of deities.
Like Hades, Cernunnos is a deity of the Underworld, and The Morrigan are death goddesses.
In the WW plot, Cernunnos was possessing people, which might explain the mind control, yes?
ThrawnCA
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Eh, he's only not a worry if he's not involved. Fighting a Black Lantern sounds a whole lot creepier than fighting a deity.
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- Wishing I was somewhere much colder, I asssume.
Hub City isn't something I think I would be able to just ignore if I had an orange ring. But this update shows exactly why OL needs to do that, at least right now.
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How about all of the worse places? Also, what would you use the ring do do there?
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I meant that I'd have done something because it was right there in front of me, but OL was right to focus on worse places.
Empiricist2
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Simply use transitioning to move all the residents to different cities. Then theres no more problems in Hub City!
People always tie themselves into knots trying to solve a different problem than the one that gets asked. If you simply solve the most literal interpretation of what someone is asking you to do, then nothing can ever go wrong, because you were only doing what they asked.
Hestia&theCourt
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Funny thing is, that might actually work. A major part of the problem in Hub City is the Hub City culture. Move everyone around, and they'll likely adapt to the culture of wherever they moved to rather than try to make Hub City culture work in a city that doesn't tolerate that crap.
Looking at the Cernunnos page you linked, I note that they are linked to the Morris Men, who are in turn linked into that alternate Britain that we just had a Grayven episode dealing with. Hmmm...
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Eh, they worship him, but I doubt they're in direct contact. It's not like Hera's shacking up with Maximilian Zeus, after all, and the less said of Kobra the better.
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To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure who Kobra is supposed to worship, other than their leader that is.
They strife to bring about the kali yuga.
Is that the Hindu kali yuga or the Lord of Chaos and Order kali yuga?
Because when the kali yuga gets mentioned in DC it's usually the lords of chaos and order one.
For example, when the Blue Entity started ranting about starting the kali yuga that was probably more indicative of it being a lord of chaos rather than the Guardians of the Universe imprisoning a Hindu deity billions of years ago after Krona's experiment.
In that storyline, the Blue Entity was the "evil and/or entropy" that Krona brought into the universe with his experiment.
HanEmpire
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You posted in the wrong thread.
Ragnarok101
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And also brought up political bullshit.
Nazi apologist political bullshit, no less.
Hestia&theCourt
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First off, that... doesn't look like apologist to me so much as a quibble about what it was Hitler actually wanted. There's nothing saying that what Hitler wanted was good, or that what he did was good, or... anything. So either I've misunderstood something or you have.
Second off, on the off chance that people will actually change their minds in a political argument, it might help your case more to say why something is bullshit rather than just say that it is.
Third off, is this the place for this discussion? This is only loosely connected to WtR. Might be worth taking it to PM or something. I dunno.
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dangit, AGAIN? *goes to delete post*
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*checks posting history for an indicator of where that post was supposed to go*
...That post wasn't even meant for this site, was it?
ON TOPIC, I think Dark Druid might still be in play despite the dead god in question being part of DC canon. After all, he's originally from the same Rogues Gallery as the Morris Men, who worship said deity.
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I would note, that the last one has paralells to Nekron...
'Alive' is a relative term...
I don't understand the question...
Or where you are coming from.
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That's from Cosmic Odyssey, in which four aspects of the Anti-Life Entity enter the universe, and seek to destroy the universe.
So yes quite the parallel to Nekron there.
Hestia&theCourt
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He's referring to this:
Mirriam-Webster says said:
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Ah, I should've used Obliterated...
Grind (part 16)
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2nd November
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"…really nice people." Alan sounds genuinely chipper, something that's been happening a lot more since he became 'active' again. "I'm not sure what's got Batman so riled up. They're good kids. If we'd been this organised back in the fifties…"
I glance over to where Mr Sage is meditating cross legged on the bonnet of the car used as a getaway vehicle for the man who robbed Mr Hatch.
"I don't think he's riled up, exactly. It's his job, what he does for the Justice League. He makes sure that potential problems are investigated so that he's ready if they become actual problems. If they're not, then great."
"You still in Hub City?"
"At the moment. I'm just taking a look at the getaway car with the Question."
"So… Are you coming home tonight..?"
"Well... Ah, don't wait up, but I'm currently planning to."
"That.. Question guy. Ah… See, there was this one crazy guy back in the sixties, wore a suit and a metal mask. The Question kinda reminded me of him. Is he on the up and up?"
"I think so. I remember the man you're talking about, and I think that if the Question were like him then the murder rate around here would be a good deal higher. And he'd be dead from the retaliation." I look over to him again. No, still not stirring. "He's trying to commune with the car at the moment."
"Is it a… Magic car?"
"No, but it turns out that he's a minor magic user. I haven't seen him do anything beyond basic psychometry, but it's one thing I can't replicate with my rings."
"Good luck with that. I'll see you when-. Oh! That reminds me. How far have you got speaking to the members of the Justice League?"
"Not.. much further. It's something I want to do face to face, and with secret identities and everything it's hard to find time."
"And I get the feeling you're not exactly eager."
"You're right, I'm not." I sigh. "Did you..? I haven't heard you say anything about having a falling out like this in the Justice Society."
"That's because we didn't. I don't know whether that was because we mostly stuck to our own beats or because we mostly had the same moral beliefs, but I honestly can't remember us ever having something like this hanging over us for any length of time. I mean, there was that thing with Sandy… But by the time any of us knew that he was okay… Mentally okay, Wesley had already fixed things."
"It's not really the same thing. Mister Hawkins had gone on a rampage before being contained. Yes, with the benefit of hindsight… Getting him somewhere isolated and checking that he was still crazy might have been a good idea, but I'm not sure how practical it would have been. And that's… Not what happened with Nabu."
"I know. I know. Personally, I'd just try and get it done as quick as possible. Try the people who'll argue the point with you the strongest, get it out of the way."
So… Hawks? Well, no secret identity problem there. "Yeah… You're right. I'll.. try and prioritise it."
"You do that. Okay, you have a good evening."
"Good night, Alan."
I let the phone construct evaporate, then take a few steps towards Mr Sage. The problem with self-taught minor magicians is that while they might get quite good at using their particular abilities, those skills aren't transferable to other parts of the arcane world. If he can do what he claims to be able to do, we could find something jolly useful. If he can't, I can't get someone else in to do it. It's not Ambrose's thing, and brute forcing it high magic style would be inefficient to say the least.
Mr Sage slides off the bonnet and onto his feet with a squeak of the suspension. "We need the key."
"For the car? I can just start it-."
"Without the key, the car is not whole. If it is not whole, then it cannot lead us." He starts pacing. "We need the key."
Ah. He's still in the trance. He's only semi-aware of his surroundings as he tries to do what the echoes in his soul are telling him to. He needs to do things step by step… How vital is the particular key? The thief will have touched it, but only briefly. The car was stolen after all, and we already know who the owner is. The key wasn't recovered, but I can create a replacement easily enough. I can't get the original key, and if he's trying to drive the car then walking the route probably isn't an option.
I fabricate a perfect copy of the key. "Question."
He snags it out of the air with his left hand without looking around, already reaching for the car door. We don't have authorisation to take the car anywhere, but he's already lowering himself into the driving seat and slotting the key into the ignition. For one moment I'm tempted to get into the car beside him, a residue of schematic patterns from before I could fly faster than light at will. Guy you're travelling with gets into a car, you get into the car as well, right?
Mr Sage closes the door and slowly accelerates. I remember from How To Succeed In Evil that driving up to a locked gate and accelerating in low gear is the best way to break it down. Fortunately, Hub City doesn't spend more on its impound gates than it does on anything else. A filament flicks out, unlocks the lock and opens the gate before Mr Sage can reach it.
He doesn't look at me or the gate, just accelerates and turns right when he reaches the road. Okay, this place isn't manned at night… I take a sheet of paper out of subspace, and… I don't have Justice League authority. I'm literally just stealing a car. Okay, accessory to Mr Sage stealing a car… Ah… 'Dear Madam/Sir, borrowing this car as part of an ongoing Justice League investigation, will return if reasonably practical. Yours sincerely, Orange Lantern.' I take an envelope out of subspace as well, put a fifty dollar note inside along with the letter because Hub City and deposit it on the front desk. Then I close the gate, lock it, and take off after Mr Sage.
He's driving… Erratically. Not that I know how he normally drives, but he's weaving-
A woman panics as he drives into the wrong lane ahead of her, and veers towards a wall for a moment before my construct catches the vehicle and deposits it in a nearby lay-by. Mr Sage comes to some sort of sense, getting back into the right lane and driving down… I think he's heading out of Hub City. He's just turned onto the main thoroughfare. Police… He just drove past a squad car and nothing appears to be happening. Oh, he's not speeding. They don't have any sort of car recognition device built into their vehicles. I think I've turned my cynicism up too far.
Empathic vision shows his mental focus as he manages to drive safely. I never actually watched John when he-. Okay, not safely, but he drove through that crossing in one piece and no one crashed. A few damaged brakes -I'll fix those- and he's still driving more or less regularly. I never actually watched John when he was riding the synchronicity wave. I've never seen what happens around him. Maybe this is why John doesn't drive, he just walks or gets a lift. I could ask Mr Chandler-? No, he'll be asleep now.
I send a message to the League and to the team. Just an update. I'm not really expecting to find anything other than an empty room with a few traces of temporary occupancy. That's been the pattern, after all. Still, it doesn't hurt to keep everyone up to date. Like my old manager used to say: any of us could be hit by a car tomorrow.
Mr Sage has left Hub City proper and is driving through what looks like it was some sort of suburban industrial estate. Most of the units are empty, but… He's stopping in a car park and turning off the engine. I transition downwards, appearing just in front of the car.
"Here?" He just stares for a moment, then opens the driver side door and gets out of the vehicle. "Question?"
"I can't hear it." He stares around in apparent confusion. "I can't hear it."
"Nice to know whoever it is has found a way to block you too. I was beginning to think I was being singled out. Shall we do this the old fashioned way?"
22:26 GMT -5
"…really nice people." Alan sounds genuinely chipper, something that's been happening a lot more since he became 'active' again. "I'm not sure what's got Batman so riled up. They're good kids. If we'd been this organised back in the fifties…"
I glance over to where Mr Sage is meditating cross legged on the bonnet of the car used as a getaway vehicle for the man who robbed Mr Hatch.
"I don't think he's riled up, exactly. It's his job, what he does for the Justice League. He makes sure that potential problems are investigated so that he's ready if they become actual problems. If they're not, then great."
"You still in Hub City?"
"At the moment. I'm just taking a look at the getaway car with the Question."
"So… Are you coming home tonight..?"
"Well... Ah, don't wait up, but I'm currently planning to."
"That.. Question guy. Ah… See, there was this one crazy guy back in the sixties, wore a suit and a metal mask. The Question kinda reminded me of him. Is he on the up and up?"
"I think so. I remember the man you're talking about, and I think that if the Question were like him then the murder rate around here would be a good deal higher. And he'd be dead from the retaliation." I look over to him again. No, still not stirring. "He's trying to commune with the car at the moment."
"Is it a… Magic car?"
"No, but it turns out that he's a minor magic user. I haven't seen him do anything beyond basic psychometry, but it's one thing I can't replicate with my rings."
"Good luck with that. I'll see you when-. Oh! That reminds me. How far have you got speaking to the members of the Justice League?"
"Not.. much further. It's something I want to do face to face, and with secret identities and everything it's hard to find time."
"And I get the feeling you're not exactly eager."
"You're right, I'm not." I sigh. "Did you..? I haven't heard you say anything about having a falling out like this in the Justice Society."
"That's because we didn't. I don't know whether that was because we mostly stuck to our own beats or because we mostly had the same moral beliefs, but I honestly can't remember us ever having something like this hanging over us for any length of time. I mean, there was that thing with Sandy… But by the time any of us knew that he was okay… Mentally okay, Wesley had already fixed things."
"It's not really the same thing. Mister Hawkins had gone on a rampage before being contained. Yes, with the benefit of hindsight… Getting him somewhere isolated and checking that he was still crazy might have been a good idea, but I'm not sure how practical it would have been. And that's… Not what happened with Nabu."
"I know. I know. Personally, I'd just try and get it done as quick as possible. Try the people who'll argue the point with you the strongest, get it out of the way."
So… Hawks? Well, no secret identity problem there. "Yeah… You're right. I'll.. try and prioritise it."
"You do that. Okay, you have a good evening."
"Good night, Alan."
I let the phone construct evaporate, then take a few steps towards Mr Sage. The problem with self-taught minor magicians is that while they might get quite good at using their particular abilities, those skills aren't transferable to other parts of the arcane world. If he can do what he claims to be able to do, we could find something jolly useful. If he can't, I can't get someone else in to do it. It's not Ambrose's thing, and brute forcing it high magic style would be inefficient to say the least.
Mr Sage slides off the bonnet and onto his feet with a squeak of the suspension. "We need the key."
"For the car? I can just start it-."
"Without the key, the car is not whole. If it is not whole, then it cannot lead us." He starts pacing. "We need the key."
Ah. He's still in the trance. He's only semi-aware of his surroundings as he tries to do what the echoes in his soul are telling him to. He needs to do things step by step… How vital is the particular key? The thief will have touched it, but only briefly. The car was stolen after all, and we already know who the owner is. The key wasn't recovered, but I can create a replacement easily enough. I can't get the original key, and if he's trying to drive the car then walking the route probably isn't an option.
I fabricate a perfect copy of the key. "Question."
He snags it out of the air with his left hand without looking around, already reaching for the car door. We don't have authorisation to take the car anywhere, but he's already lowering himself into the driving seat and slotting the key into the ignition. For one moment I'm tempted to get into the car beside him, a residue of schematic patterns from before I could fly faster than light at will. Guy you're travelling with gets into a car, you get into the car as well, right?
Mr Sage closes the door and slowly accelerates. I remember from How To Succeed In Evil that driving up to a locked gate and accelerating in low gear is the best way to break it down. Fortunately, Hub City doesn't spend more on its impound gates than it does on anything else. A filament flicks out, unlocks the lock and opens the gate before Mr Sage can reach it.
He doesn't look at me or the gate, just accelerates and turns right when he reaches the road. Okay, this place isn't manned at night… I take a sheet of paper out of subspace, and… I don't have Justice League authority. I'm literally just stealing a car. Okay, accessory to Mr Sage stealing a car… Ah… 'Dear Madam/Sir, borrowing this car as part of an ongoing Justice League investigation, will return if reasonably practical. Yours sincerely, Orange Lantern.' I take an envelope out of subspace as well, put a fifty dollar note inside along with the letter because Hub City and deposit it on the front desk. Then I close the gate, lock it, and take off after Mr Sage.
He's driving… Erratically. Not that I know how he normally drives, but he's weaving-
A woman panics as he drives into the wrong lane ahead of her, and veers towards a wall for a moment before my construct catches the vehicle and deposits it in a nearby lay-by. Mr Sage comes to some sort of sense, getting back into the right lane and driving down… I think he's heading out of Hub City. He's just turned onto the main thoroughfare. Police… He just drove past a squad car and nothing appears to be happening. Oh, he's not speeding. They don't have any sort of car recognition device built into their vehicles. I think I've turned my cynicism up too far.
Empathic vision shows his mental focus as he manages to drive safely. I never actually watched John when he-. Okay, not safely, but he drove through that crossing in one piece and no one crashed. A few damaged brakes -I'll fix those- and he's still driving more or less regularly. I never actually watched John when he was riding the synchronicity wave. I've never seen what happens around him. Maybe this is why John doesn't drive, he just walks or gets a lift. I could ask Mr Chandler-? No, he'll be asleep now.
I send a message to the League and to the team. Just an update. I'm not really expecting to find anything other than an empty room with a few traces of temporary occupancy. That's been the pattern, after all. Still, it doesn't hurt to keep everyone up to date. Like my old manager used to say: any of us could be hit by a car tomorrow.
Mr Sage has left Hub City proper and is driving through what looks like it was some sort of suburban industrial estate. Most of the units are empty, but… He's stopping in a car park and turning off the engine. I transition downwards, appearing just in front of the car.
"Here?" He just stares for a moment, then opens the driver side door and gets out of the vehicle. "Question?"
"I can't hear it." He stares around in apparent confusion. "I can't hear it."
"Nice to know whoever it is has found a way to block you too. I was beginning to think I was being singled out. Shall we do this the old fashioned way?"
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Is this a frequency illusion thing I'm only noticing because of his recent passing, or are you on a Steve Ditko kick? First the Objectivist strip, now this. Seems like there's more obscure Ditko content than usual.
(Took me a minute to remember what the damn thing was called.)
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