With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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I gather that the problem is that building an elevated home is expensive, and so people end up saving money in the present despite the high likelihood of their home being wrecked in the future.
Bangladesh at least has the excuse of being poor. Richer countries ought to be able to just mandate it be done and if necessary pay for it.
Bangladesh at least has the excuse of being poor. Richer countries ought to be able to just mandate it be done and if necessary pay for it.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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Not that expensive. So long as you prepare for the natural disasters ahead of building, you save a shitload of money from the rebuild and loss of life.
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This part REALLY rubs me the wrong way. It just feels so utterly condescending and arrogant.
Like, there is absolutely nothing he could learn from anyone else and the only reason he cares at all about what other people think is so that he can "correct" their thought processes.
I just... where is this coming from? The ring is about avarice, greed, getting what you want. Does that somehow translate into having a god complex and seeing everyone else as literally wrong and deficient if they don't think like him or have different goals?
Somewhere along the space arc it feels like paragon paul went off the rails somewhere. I think some people were guessing it was around when he started using the avarice dimension to jump everywhere.
Or maybe he's always been that condescending and arrogant and it just didn't register till these last few months, I dunno...
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I think in this case that only means "when you decide to let some order lich take your friend hostage and you do nothing", not "in general".
Also, next generation simply because he is immortal.
Sure, but it's short term thinking in action; the up-front cost is now, the disaster is sometime in the indefinite future.
Which is why it's the sort of thing that has to be mandated by law (like in that article I linked), or a lot of people simply won't do it. Humans are just too prone to short term thinking to expect anything else.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
He pretty much always felt the Leagues acceptance was monstrous, and has gone down saying that if something like it ever happened again he would politically destroy the league and salt the earth where it stood. So no, nothing about this attitude is new.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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To him, it's so ridiculously obvious that they should have stopped Zatara from putting on the Helmet/not put him on the League/fucking explained what they were thinking to Zatanna that there is no way to talk about it without sounding condescending. It's like trying to explain to a full-grown adult who is sound of mind and yet throwing their own feces at random passersby why they shouldn't do that: it basically turns into "I know you know better than this, I shouldn't even have to explain this, it's so obvious". And yet the adult keeps throwing the feces and you don't understand why.
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Thank you, corrected.
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- Canada
Supes speech sounds like it's more geared toward young heroes who are in awe of him, not exactly the best approach for OL, but I can why he'd be used to talking this way.
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Trying to say his own name, or have a mindreader take his name from his mind, or be magiked into saying his own name, causes those involved to black out rather painfully if i remember correctly.
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I think it's more complicated than that.
It seemed to me that his thought processes were that if Paul had gone to Batman or Wonder Woman instead of going maverick a solution in which Nabu was removed from Zatara might have been achieved without attacking Nabu at all.
So he had no problem with the goal- Freeing Zatara, it was the execution that bothered him.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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I believe that Zoat said they were unrelated. I also believe HH said she would look into it for him, but that may have been about her looking intp how to get the SI back to earth prime (I cant really remember).
.IronSun.
I don't descriminate, I hate all of you equally.
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I remember something about everyone demanding why the levies in Louisiana weren't adequately maintained when Katrina rolled through, and it turned out later that ludicrous amounts of Federal aid got diverted into building a park with a statue in the middle. Corruption, greed and stupidity is the name of the game.
You know the whole Red Son seat belt thing always really rankles me. I understand that it's supposed to be a silly over exaggeration of a situation, for the purposes of illustrating a point, but it completely misses the point of why people wear seat belts.
Even assuming that Superman had personally interfered in enough car accidents to make people feel safe not wearing seat belts, wouldn't matter. People already feel safe not wearing seat belts, that's why there are laws about wearing them. You wouldn't stop wearing it unless those laws were revoked, which wouldn't happen unless the Russian Government suddenly thought the best use of Superman's incredibly valuable time was saving people from preventable automotive fatalities.
Even assuming that Superman had personally interfered in enough car accidents to make people feel safe not wearing seat belts, wouldn't matter. People already feel safe not wearing seat belts, that's why there are laws about wearing them. You wouldn't stop wearing it unless those laws were revoked, which wouldn't happen unless the Russian Government suddenly thought the best use of Superman's incredibly valuable time was saving people from preventable automotive fatalities.
And, perhaps more relevantly, the costs of those two things are not inextricably linked to the same people. Someone might have a house built, then sell it, and it will be the subsequent owner who has to pay for the reconstruction (as it's unlikely any insurance company will insure against water damage for houses built on a flood plain). The chance to save money upfront and potentially dump the resulting future costs on someone - anyone - else can be a strong lure.
This is why government money use needs to be upfront, transparent at all stages, and monitored by both official and multiple unofficial, unaffiliated sources. Any official source could be corrupted. Even the recruitment process for that source could be corrupted. There needs to be enough oversight of different kinds that fooling all of them would be more hassle and expense than any monetary gain from diverting the funds in the first place.
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If you're a typical human being? Yes. Humans naturally want to believe we're right, and sadly we're all too capable of failing to give due consideration to, ignoring or even outright denying facts that don't align with our worldview. Now to give Paul his due, he's very smart and he's been right about a lot of things, but that can lead to overconfidence which has its own dangers - even if you're not plugged into a feedback loop of mind-altering avarice that's constantly suggesting what you want is all that matters, reality be damned.
tldr, my take is Paul's less immune to the Ring's influence than he wants to believe he is.
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Well yeah; the place is massively corrupt. And whatever people are willing to put with nature doesn't care; a levee will collapse according to the laws of physics, not according to the wishes of whoever wants the maintenance money for themselves.
You look across the world and when you find major disasters, corruption is often at the root of making them into a major disaster. Money is diverted, safety regulations and building codes go unenforced; and then thanks to that any time things go wrong the effects are hugely increased. Instead of an earthquake causing some damaged buildings you get thousands killed in multiple building collapses because the building codes were never enforced thanks to money crossing the right palms.
The Bushranger
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Paul: "Letting Nabu bodyjack Zatara is wrong." < true
Paul: "I must work to right this right now." < possibly true
Paul: "Anyone who is/was not working to right this right now is in the wrong and that wrongness must be countered/corrected" < probably not true but logically consistent especially when viewed through an Orange lens.
Paul has Orange Enlightenment. This does mean that the Ring hasn't driven him barking mad like Larfleeze...but it doesn't mean he's not mad. He's just the functional kind of mad that gets things done.
But he's still mad.
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I mean... Yes? He is want. Defined by it. And what he wants is for the world to work a certain way. For his own brand of rationality and ethics to be that way. He thinks his way is right, therefore he wants other people to follow it. Because anything else is wrong. Really, what Paul accomplished with averting orange light madness wasn't really averting it as diverting it. Instead of wanting everything and everyone to be his, he wants everyone and everything to be like him, thus his by proxy.
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I mean, is it really madness if you're perfectly capable of being rational and consistent? Paul isn't mad, he has a blue/orange morality. He's at least as sane as the average person, its just that he has different fundamental values than the average person.
If you think of him as a normal person of course his behavior is going to seem strange, but think of it this way; basically any alien that isn't a DC rubber forehead alien is probably also going to have fundamentally different values, too. So if you call Paul crazy, you'd also call almost everyone else in the universe crazy as well.
If you're saying "everyone but me is insane", the insane one is you.
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