Klarion, after John became Lord of Chaos, was also rendered braindead. He was executed by Chinese, remember? And I'll note "completely". If John only had access to the plane of order through the helmet, why would he have put it on in the first place? It caused him problems, a lot of them. Unless he had to connect to order in some way that couldn't be solved by simply taking the helmet off, the scene where he visits Paul makes zero sense.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Seems legit.
Probably best to lean more towards 'trust but verify' than 'benefit of the doubt' but I see no reason for open suspicion. Not like Cardiff!Fate is planning to decapitate the British government…
Shouldn't POL's spell eater have protected him from having his ring zapped?
Apparently it wasn't aimed at him, exactly; so the spell eater didn't help.
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Those are often the same thing...
Empiricist2
Let's play doctor!
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- Baton Rouge
Zoat, are you just fucking with us by including yet another person named John in the story?
Queshire
Wants a pink flamingo for their lawn.
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Well what do you think their parents would name Golden Boy...? Our John strangled his twin in the womb. Presumably something happened to Golden Boy's twin instead so when only one was born, Golden Boy, he'd get the name John instead.
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There's also the JSA member Johnny Thunder though I don't think he's actually shown up in the fic. John is a pretty common name.
NorthSouthGorem
To Walk Down Every Path
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Could someone explain who Golden Boy is?
If I remember correctly when Paul and Alan were talking about his old team Johnny died from having a stroke or something after already have several strokes throughout his twighlight years.
Alternate reality John Constantine's twin brother, whose life doesn't suck.
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The person was know as John Constantine is one of a pair of fraternal twins. The other died in the womb.
Except... Magic.
At various points in his life, John Constantine has caught a glimpse of a shining golden boy. After this happened again while he was in this thirties, he decided to try and find out what the heck was going on. See Hellblazer 39 and 40.
It's not exactly clear what happened, but in Hellblazer we get a brief glimpse of another timeline, one where the John we know died and his brother lived. The golden boy was the brother, who at various points in his life got glimpses of a sickly figure of a boy in the same way our John saw a golden one.
This is made slightly more confusing by the face that they're both called John Constantine, because that's what their father wanted to call his son.
You could have just quoted me, you know.
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He put it on for the power up. Just like Klarion wanted the helmet as a power up.
Since he apparently gave it to someone else, he apparently decided it wasn't worth the trouble.
There, scene makes sense.
I have to ask, are you at all familiar with John Constantine that you find it surprising that he made a poor decision?
And yes, I remember that Klarion was brain dead. Do you? Because Klarion was brain dead because his connection to Chaos was severed, leaving him mostly soulless, hence brain dead.
Which is not what happened to Nabu, Nabu had the order energy drained beyond the point his consciousness could be maintained, but never lost his connection to Order, because as this story has mentioned more than once it's freaking impossible to severe Nabu's connection to Order.
For his connection to be vulnerable to being severed, someone would have to destroy the helmet and Nabu would have to choose to connect with something else as his anchor.
Until that happens, it's impossible in this story for someone to steal his connection to Order.
Since that's literally impossible since Nabu is not capable of choosing to make another anchor, being brain dead, no one is stealing his connection to Order.
Hence whoever has the helmet is a lord of order by proxy.
Hence Paul not knowing if this Lord Fate is lying, because he's not claiming impossible things. Which he would be, if your theory was right.
Grind (part 8)
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- Hampden Park
30th October
20:05 GMT -5
"That guy seemed pretty normal." Artemis shrugs as I look at her. "As super powerful wizards go."
"I will try not to take offence on my queen's behalf."
Artemis winces very faintly. "Right. But is she powerful, like, Lord of Order powerful?"
Kaldur inclines his head slightly. "I do not believe so. But I am also not certain how skilled the new Fate will be without Nabu to guide him."
It's not far to the Salem zeta tube, and the locals walking along the pavements around us are giving us a degree of space. Fate aside, Salem doesn't have a significant superhero or supervillain population. And I know that Nabu didn't interact significantly with the locals.
Kon nudges me with his left elbow. "What did he want to talk to you about?"
"An expanded version of how he got the Helmet."
Kaldur nods. "And do you believe his tale to be credible?"
"Plausible, yes. I'll need to check it out before I say 'credible', of course."
Wallace.. appears to be getting a little annoyed with me. "Oh El, why don't you just tell us what you did with the Helmet?"
"Because I put it in the care of a person, and I want to discuss the matter with them before spreading that information."
Richard tilts his head slightly to the side. "You weren't expecting him, were you?" I nod. "Were you expecting there to be a Fate, or was that a surprise too?"
Ahh-hhh… "I wasn't expecting a Fate. I also wasn't expecting such a helpful attitude, so really that went better than I thought it would. What did you find out?"
"Each of the ar-."
"Ah, hold on, Supes." Wallace raises his right hand.
Kon frowns. "What?"
Wallace looks at me and I nod. "I'm not on the team. Which means that I don't automatically qualify for sharing sensitive information."
"Oh, come on!" Kon frowns at Kaldur and Wallace in turn. "We didn't even get in when we came here without Paul. And John.. Fate seemed pretty friendly. What's the point in keeping something secret if he can just go back and ask them?"
I hold up my hands slightly. "Look, if you want to handle this without me... That's fine. I was just.. trying to be helpful."
"Kid Flash does raise a point which several of us have been considering." Kaldur stops for a moment and stares me in the face. "Do you wish to rejoin the team?"
"Um. I… I'd.. assumed that after Hyde Park the League wouldn't want me to be quite so closely involved with their work. Particularly given how I've already rejected their rules of engagement. A young superhero who doesn't know their own strength is one thing, but everything I did was deliberate."
"I understand that there may be problems, but you did not answer my question. Do you wish to rejoin the team?"
"Yes." A little tension leaves him. And Kon, I notice. "Not that living with Alan isn't fascinating. I now have an encyclopaedic knowledge of forties and fifties superhero trivia, and it's been great-."
"Ah, Oh El?" Wallace looks around. No one in our immediate vicinity, but I can see people further away. "Secret identity?"
"Unfortunately, after the zombie attack… He doesn't exactly have one any more. It's not… Common knowledge, but it is out there. Look, Mister Garrick managed perfectly well for decades without-."
"No, he didn't. He got attacked, Joan got attacked and the companies they worked for got attacked a whole bunch of times because people knew where they'd be. Don't try and pretend it doesn't happen."
"Okay, I'll.. talk to him about improving his home security."
"And what about his family?"
"I don't think that any of Alan's old enemies are still active. Except Solomon Grundy, and he hasn't been seen for.. nearly two years? And anyway-" I shake my head. "-people don't go after the extended families of police officers."
Artemis winces. "They do in Gotham. Did, anyway. I don't think it happens so much these days, but it definitely happened." Richard nods.
"Alan's mostly been practising healing, but-" I raise my hands. "-okay, I'll mention it to him, see what he wants to do. But… Going back to the original question." I nod. "I would like to rejoin the team. I just didn't want to create ructions between you and the-" Kon gives my left shoulder a playful shove. "-League. So… What's the process?"
"It-." / "You need to talk to Batman."
Kaldur looks at Wallace in surprise. He makes a shrugging gesture with his hands. "What? Look, having Oh El back would be great. It's not like I want to try walking along a river bed for five hours. But he-."
He checks around us again, and I give it a quick ring scan as well. No listening devices I can detect, and at this point we're away from areas people usually go outside of work hours.
"Assassinated a member of the Justice League. He just said himself that the League might have a problem with him coming back."
Kon gives his head a small shake. "Batman was fine about him helping us fight Eliminations Inc."
Richard shakes his head. "Him coming back on the team means that he gets access to Justice League information. And authorisation. And it means that League members who aren't okay with him being back are expected to start teaching him again."
"Green.. Arrow…" Artemis looks uncomfortable as she says it. "Said he was fine with teaching him. I got the impression a lot of the League feel like that."
"I know Mom does."
Kaldur nods. "But in the League, decisions must be near-unanimous."
"Okay, I'll make an appointment with Batman. And not just appear in the Batcave this time. In the meantime, if there's anything you want me to help with… That's fine, no need for a full explanation."
Another nod from Kaldur, accompanied by a small smile. "Those of us who are not attending school tomorrow were going to follow up on some of these leads." Him, me, Canis, Roy, Garth, Tula and Zatanna… Maybe. "It would make things easier if you were with us."
"As long as it doesn't involve a fingertip search of the bottom of a major river again."
"No. Since we have a better idea of what the artefacts stolen can be used for, we are able to considerably narrow our search parameters. Though the search will still most likely be exhaustive."
I nod as Kon pulls open the door leading to the zeta tube.
"Sounds… More fun than today."
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"That guy seemed pretty normal." Artemis shrugs as I look at her. "As super powerful wizards go."
"I will try not to take offence on my queen's behalf."
Artemis winces very faintly. "Right. But is she powerful, like, Lord of Order powerful?"
Kaldur inclines his head slightly. "I do not believe so. But I am also not certain how skilled the new Fate will be without Nabu to guide him."
It's not far to the Salem zeta tube, and the locals walking along the pavements around us are giving us a degree of space. Fate aside, Salem doesn't have a significant superhero or supervillain population. And I know that Nabu didn't interact significantly with the locals.
Kon nudges me with his left elbow. "What did he want to talk to you about?"
"An expanded version of how he got the Helmet."
Kaldur nods. "And do you believe his tale to be credible?"
"Plausible, yes. I'll need to check it out before I say 'credible', of course."
Wallace.. appears to be getting a little annoyed with me. "Oh El, why don't you just tell us what you did with the Helmet?"
"Because I put it in the care of a person, and I want to discuss the matter with them before spreading that information."
Richard tilts his head slightly to the side. "You weren't expecting him, were you?" I nod. "Were you expecting there to be a Fate, or was that a surprise too?"
Ahh-hhh… "I wasn't expecting a Fate. I also wasn't expecting such a helpful attitude, so really that went better than I thought it would. What did you find out?"
"Each of the ar-."
"Ah, hold on, Supes." Wallace raises his right hand.
Kon frowns. "What?"
Wallace looks at me and I nod. "I'm not on the team. Which means that I don't automatically qualify for sharing sensitive information."
"Oh, come on!" Kon frowns at Kaldur and Wallace in turn. "We didn't even get in when we came here without Paul. And John.. Fate seemed pretty friendly. What's the point in keeping something secret if he can just go back and ask them?"
I hold up my hands slightly. "Look, if you want to handle this without me... That's fine. I was just.. trying to be helpful."
"Kid Flash does raise a point which several of us have been considering." Kaldur stops for a moment and stares me in the face. "Do you wish to rejoin the team?"
"Um. I… I'd.. assumed that after Hyde Park the League wouldn't want me to be quite so closely involved with their work. Particularly given how I've already rejected their rules of engagement. A young superhero who doesn't know their own strength is one thing, but everything I did was deliberate."
"I understand that there may be problems, but you did not answer my question. Do you wish to rejoin the team?"
"Yes." A little tension leaves him. And Kon, I notice. "Not that living with Alan isn't fascinating. I now have an encyclopaedic knowledge of forties and fifties superhero trivia, and it's been great-."
"Ah, Oh El?" Wallace looks around. No one in our immediate vicinity, but I can see people further away. "Secret identity?"
"Unfortunately, after the zombie attack… He doesn't exactly have one any more. It's not… Common knowledge, but it is out there. Look, Mister Garrick managed perfectly well for decades without-."
"No, he didn't. He got attacked, Joan got attacked and the companies they worked for got attacked a whole bunch of times because people knew where they'd be. Don't try and pretend it doesn't happen."
"Okay, I'll.. talk to him about improving his home security."
"And what about his family?"
"I don't think that any of Alan's old enemies are still active. Except Solomon Grundy, and he hasn't been seen for.. nearly two years? And anyway-" I shake my head. "-people don't go after the extended families of police officers."
Artemis winces. "They do in Gotham. Did, anyway. I don't think it happens so much these days, but it definitely happened." Richard nods.
"Alan's mostly been practising healing, but-" I raise my hands. "-okay, I'll mention it to him, see what he wants to do. But… Going back to the original question." I nod. "I would like to rejoin the team. I just didn't want to create ructions between you and the-" Kon gives my left shoulder a playful shove. "-League. So… What's the process?"
"It-." / "You need to talk to Batman."
Kaldur looks at Wallace in surprise. He makes a shrugging gesture with his hands. "What? Look, having Oh El back would be great. It's not like I want to try walking along a river bed for five hours. But he-."
He checks around us again, and I give it a quick ring scan as well. No listening devices I can detect, and at this point we're away from areas people usually go outside of work hours.
"Assassinated a member of the Justice League. He just said himself that the League might have a problem with him coming back."
Kon gives his head a small shake. "Batman was fine about him helping us fight Eliminations Inc."
Richard shakes his head. "Him coming back on the team means that he gets access to Justice League information. And authorisation. And it means that League members who aren't okay with him being back are expected to start teaching him again."
"Green.. Arrow…" Artemis looks uncomfortable as she says it. "Said he was fine with teaching him. I got the impression a lot of the League feel like that."
"I know Mom does."
Kaldur nods. "But in the League, decisions must be near-unanimous."
"Okay, I'll make an appointment with Batman. And not just appear in the Batcave this time. In the meantime, if there's anything you want me to help with… That's fine, no need for a full explanation."
Another nod from Kaldur, accompanied by a small smile. "Those of us who are not attending school tomorrow were going to follow up on some of these leads." Him, me, Canis, Roy, Garth, Tula and Zatanna… Maybe. "It would make things easier if you were with us."
"As long as it doesn't involve a fingertip search of the bottom of a major river again."
"No. Since we have a better idea of what the artefacts stolen can be used for, we are able to considerably narrow our search parameters. Though the search will still most likely be exhaustive."
I nod as Kon pulls open the door leading to the zeta tube.
"Sounds… More fun than today."
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Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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Richard?
Kid
happens
search?
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Amazing that none of the team, Kalder and Kon especially, have had the thought that they can be their own team, with their own authority...and OL is just the guy that can make that happen. Yeah, I know Robin isn't at the...Nightwing (Don't tell me what to do Bruce) stage yet, and Wally has a good relationship with Barry...but still, the option really is there.
TheLurker
Random Omnipotent Lazy-As-Fuck Being
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? Okay I get Kon, but from what I remember Kaldur holds a deep amount of respect for aquaman. The guy is literally his king.
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Thank you, corrected.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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I don't think they're at that point yet. They're not skilled enough, experienced enough, or established enough yet to make that leap.
Also, it's not like they need to burn that bridge yet. Batman hasn't said no, for one. If Batman says yes, then why burn that bridge?
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