With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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TheLurker
Random Omnipotent Lazy-As-Fuck Being
- Location
- The space beyond the stars
Except he's comparing him to his past interactions with Renegade.
The Chosen One
Yes, THAT One.
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- The Pedant Gallery
I thought they were rather on the same page as of shortly after Scott entered the story and Batman confronted the Renegade about not always having been Grayven; that the metaphysics are a little wonky, sure, but it'd be much better for everyone involved if they just went along with it, wink wink please don't tell Dad.
Not to mention that New God culture and philosophy in this story explicitly identifies people by their soul and abilities more than their ontological status or origin. Scott can make that joke because as far as he's concerned, at the end of the day, the "real" Grayven is, by definition, whoever is the coolest and best Grayven.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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- Australia
Scott Free looks looks at Earth-16's original Grayven in shock and then back at me and says "Brother, can you explain why there's another Grayven here?"
"Well, first-"/"He's not your brother, I am!"
Scott looks over at Grayven with amused contempt, "I'm sorry, but I've made my choice."
Dakkan Sall
Random Encounter
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- On the world map
"here. That means"
"sign language"
I imagine that everyone involved would probably look at the two Grayvens for about a minute, and decide that paul is the less embarrassing one to be associated with.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
I can't decide whether I prefer the New Goddess faceoff, or Cassandra 
she's be able
she'd be able
In point of fact;
In point of fact:
where she was
she's be able
she'd be able
In point of fact;
In point of fact:
- Location
- Norway
I can see that these two are quickly becoming the best of frieeeeends.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
Actually, at this point I think he sort of is? His metaphysique is genuinely New God of Conquest, and Darkseid is happy to acknowledge him despite surely having learned a fair bit of his origins from Father Box. Admittedly, there is still another Grayven running around whom Darkseid actually sired. But in several significant respects, the Renegade has actually become a second Grayven.
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- she/her
The true graduation is knowing when to drop out.
- Location
- Oblivion
The question you might want to ask is whether Darkseid is actually acknowledging Paulven or whether he's just playing at doing so as part of some much larger plot.
Dakkan Sall
Random Encounter
- Location
- On the world map
You mean... there's actually a chance that it isn't part of a larger plot?The question you might want to ask is whether Darkseid is actually acknowledging Paulven or whether he's just playing at doing so as part of some much larger plot.
Huh. Mind blown.
I thought Paulven was a Grayven from a universe where Darkseid was about to win, and, seeing that he was about to be lacking in anything to Conquer, threw himself into the Bleed as a Hail Mary. He's reborn into a normal life in a magicless universe, so is stripped of his Divine Soul. Eventually, he is ROB'd to the YJ-verse, where, through a series of chance events, he reclaims his actual identity and regains his Divinity.
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- US
I think WoZ is that Renegade just had a really shitty day before getting brought to the YJ verse, and the effects spiraled from there due to the orange light.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
That's his cover story. Since it's visually indistinguishable from the truth, anyone who could see through it is likely either a non-threat or an acceptable target.
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GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
That's his cover story. The reality is probably that he's Grayven Prime, and his perfectly ordinary dad is Darkseid Prime.
I've been under the impression that he always has suspected that. But the point was made early on that since Grayven being the officially recognized viceroy of Earth keeps Apokoliptians from intervening there it's in everybody's best interests to go along with the pretense regardless of what they believe.
Which is why various incidents happened on Paragon 16 that didn't happen Renegade side.
- Location
- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
You could argue that at this point there isn't a difference, due to how...Aligned, for a lack of a better word, he is with the Anti-life.The question you might want to ask is whether Darkseid is actually acknowledging Paulven or whether he's just playing at doing so as part of some much larger plot.
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- Bay Area
I believe Zoat's said that the concept he's a New God of is not actually Conquest. It was built off a structure meant to be the New God of Conquest's soul, and so it's still close, but it went a different direction.
nmWarden
Webcomic Glutton
- Location
- Texas
I have a strong suspicion that this was hidden behind a spoiler when it was revealed. Would you mind hiding it?
At any rate there's quite bit of invisitext godspeech in this update; I'll highlight it for those who have trouble with it in pale blue.
Also, missing full stop here in red: "human thing here. That means no maiming."
I sense a slight personality conflict going on, here.
Also, missing full stop here in red: "human thing here. That means no maiming."
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- australia
They aren't mutually exclusive-
Getting haphazardly soul-fused with a suicidal god DOES count as "part of a REALLY shitty day" by most metrics...
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
- Location
- Australia
Or so powerful that they're not a target.
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