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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Twilight666 said:
As for how it happened, maybe OG-Timetrapper left behind his robe that had all his power for everyone who would put it on to Past-Savage (Paradoxes are for other people!!)
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My theory is that the armour and robes keep recreating the Time Trapper as different people because it has a flawed system for protecting the user from changes to their personal timeline. It has a system in place so that when the timeline changes then the armour sets up a stable time loop to give itself an origin before history erases it for not having one. It is flawed because for whatever reason (damage, overload, design oversight, original user commited suicide. timey wimey stuff) it doesn't always give itself back to the same person or recreate them when the timeline changes.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
Controlling the merger.. might work, depending on exactly what the armour does. But part of why it might work is because after.. being violently altered, time is… More accepting of smaller changes. And pretty much anything is smaller than what happened."
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So, possibly we will have a new timeline that involves both!
(and Paul, you being trapped while working on Vandel would've been a good reason to reach out to Your Envoy [Ophidian].)
Gantradies said:
You mean shoot first the last
Or shoot last the f...
Sharding hell I hate time travel
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hance1986 said:
Truggs is going to have to be watched so he doesn't try reinstating the original timeline over the Mandate TL.
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Not from my perspective...I can see that this timeline has its good points, but I can't say I'd rather keep it. I'm not sure how much of that is the world being ruled with a velvet-clad iron fist, how much is the past nuclear holocaust, how much is OL's much reduced power as a Lantern...but I think the first Mandated segment didn't make a good impression on me. The SI is working for people who clearly scare him. He's a small cog in a big machine. He lives in what sounds like an apartment, and they're both having porridge for breakfast - which doesn't really sound like the Lantern who impressed the Young Justice team with his cooking and filled subspace with experimental baguettes. All in all, he comes across as timid - and in this world, that may be with good reason. I think that's why I prefer the previous world.
 
He does usually eat porridge.

Also, regular SI lives in Alan's house. At least the Mandated version has moved out.
 
ThrawnCA said:
Not from my perspective...I can see that this timeline has its good points, but I can't say I'd rather keep it. I'm not sure how much of that is the world being ruled with a velvet-clad iron fist, how much is the past nuclear holocaust, how much is OL's much reduced power as a Lantern...but I think the first Mandated segment didn't make a good impression on me. The SI is working for people who clearly scare him. He's a small cog in a big machine. He lives in what sounds like an apartment, and they're both having porridge for breakfast - which doesn't really sound like the Lantern who impressed the Young Justice team with his cooking and filled subspace with experimental baguettes. All in all, he comes across as timid - and in this world, that may be with good reason. I think that's why I prefer the previous world.
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However unlike mainline WTR, the Earth has a machine and a structure in place to integrate superhumans. Yes the government is undemocratic with an actual Emperor, but nothing has been said about ordinary citizens being oppressed.

Yes, the West seems to have never taken off, but in the original TL the West did and they don't have space fleets or mainstream magic.

And there wasn't a nuclear holocaust, it seems like friction between Japan and China over control of Korea turned a conflict nuclear. That said, it was 90 plus years in the past, and there seems to have been reconciliation. Souma seems to be well respected in the Chinese super functionary circles, and Paul was the first European (white) member of the Heavenly Guardians.

Maybe Paul was a little scared. The Mandate Earth had different expectations of him as a powered individual than YJ Earth would have.

The Heavenly Guardians come off as competent. I mean they broadly are defending Imperial China's interests, but I think Paul reflected in an earlier piece how China is careful not to overly rub their dominance in other countries faces. The Heavenly Guardians help defend the Earth because China is strong enough to let their supers do that.

I would like to see this TL preserved. Savage's fuckery is how this world is related to the original TL, but it does survive after the fact.
 
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hance1986 said:
Truggs is going to have to be watched so he doesn't try reinstating the original timeline over the Mandate TL.
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That is the Chekhov's gun that leads to the original timeline, yes.

But, personally my preference of time lines is the original. I'd like to see some characters, or perhaps even entire populations relocate to the original timeline. It might make an interesting side plot. The more advanced technology, increased use of magic and schizo tech making displaced timeline persons more desirable employees, contrasted to the huge infrastructure drain of a billion more people. Possibly a little aside of how the orange lantern corps is allowed to just move them to a new planet compared to the green's stricter regulations.
 
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Mandated (part 23)
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    • 24th October
    11:44 GMT +3

    I pass through the portal and out into-

    Not sure
    Don't know
    Hopefully, 210 BC

    -a large unlit chamber. Immediately, I dim my environmental shield and drop to the ground. The tomb is.. actually quite well-lit. For a tomb. I remember being taught during my 'cultural acclimatisation' classes that they used slow burning tallow candles in order to keep the place looking like an actual court for as long as possible after the First Emperor's death.

    "Yah know, I've never actually done this before."

    Mister Truggs is standing a couple of terracotta warriors over, and nods companionably to me when I look around. Then he unslings some sort of equipment harness and begins slotting parts together.

    "Done what? Travelled in time?"

    He glances up, a small frown on his face. "Don't take this the wrong way? You're a whole lot easier for me to work with than old-you, but I kinda miss him."

    "Of course you do. He's the me you're used to. It would be strange if you didn't. Were.. the… Were you friends?" He shifts awkwardly as he makes a few final checks on his device. "Rivals?"

    "We, ah… Both kinda want the same things… But we had… Kinda… Our 'red lines were in different p-."

    "You're a supervillain."

    "Technically, just a 'villain'. Hey, can you-" He holds his device up. "-power this up for me? It needs one point two one jigawatts of electrical energy."

    Ring?

    Device function not recognised.

    I narrow my eyes slightly. "I'm going to need an explanation as to what that does. From the self-confessed criminal."

    "It's… Just about the most badly built chroniton destabiliser it's possible to build. Guess Savage figured he didn't need it, with time collapsing anyway. Should keep him from seeing us from the future."

    I nod and create a generator construct. "Is a 'jigawatt' the same as a gigawatt-?"

    "Modern English is my sixth language. Excuse me if pronunciations have changed in the last eight hundred years."

    I plug my construct in, and his device starts to glow purple and aquamarine as our entry portal evaporates. "Eight hundred years?"

    "Yeah. Not my first time travelling in time. First time-" He checks a few things on the device and then nods, apparently satisfied. "-I came back to try an' prevent an alien invasion. Billions of people died so, I didn't think it mattered all that much that I was wiping everyone in that future out when I did it."

    "I don't see anything wrong with preventing an alien invasion." I point at the destabiliser. "Is it working?"

    "We're not back in the future, so I guess so." He sets the device down. "Now we gotta find Savage and Lao."

    Ring, scan? Oh.. dear. "Lao is checking the walls for a way out. Savage isn't here yet. Do we need to turn that off?"

    "If we do Super Savage gets us before we even turn it on."

    "But won't.. your Savage realise that we're using that and just.. not come here?"

    "It doesn't really matter if he does. Lao is the only guy who knows how to program the warriors. Savage has to get here before he dies, or this doesn't work. An' I don't think his equipment is good enough to detect it. And if he doesn't come back?" He shrugs. "I win by default."

    "We're not here to erase my future, Mister Truggs."

    "Ye-ah, we kinda are. See-."

    "No. Everyone I know, everyone I love who.. isn't on Earth Prime is in that future. I can understand you-"

    "It. Won't. Work."

    "-wanting to bring back the version you know. And I'm sorry. There's no moral right here, but I'm the guy with the power ring and I'm not abandoning my future."

    "IT WON'T WORK!" He takes a step back, then turns around, gesticulating with both arms. "Time WILL NOT SUSTAIN your future! The ONLY THING that hat could come up with was some kinda crazy guess-"

    "That's not-"

    "-about taking you-"

    "-what they told me."

    "-out of time. And of course they didn't tell you, you're an Orange Lantern." He pulls out a scroll bearing Jade's seal. "Here."

    I hesitate for a moment, then take it from him and open it.

    "Hello? Is there someone else in here?"

    Oh… This was really the best we could..?

    I feel Truggs pat me on the right shoulder as I stare at the letter. "The hat thought it was the only chance you got."

    "I just…" Well. What is there to say? "I suppose there really isn't any choice. It was just… Wishful thinking."

    Truggs shrugs. "I don't know you, but the other guy was a real terrier when it came to things like this. If you're him-."

    "Hello?" Mr Lao comes around the corner and spots us. He starts slightly, but I can practically see the moment he decides that men who have been buried alive can't be choosers. "Were you part of the digging team?"

    Temporal aperture detected.

    "Mr Lao, I'm very sorry." I attach a filament to Mr Truggs and transition us both to Savage's time portal.

    "Who-?"

    Disintegrate.

    The orange energy bolt hits him in the centre of his chest and spreads outwards, destroying every cell of his body as it does so. That won't guarantee that he's dead permanently, but if throwing him into the sun worked for my Savage I imagine that it will work for now.

    Then Truggs and I walk through the portal.

    Ring, time and date?

    19th October
    09:12 GMT -6

    "You are not Savage."

    Truggs immediately goes over to the machine's control system and begins pressing buttons. I just look up at the purple robed figure staring down at me.

    "I'm not."

    "He failed, then. Just as I remember it."

    "You've probably cost me everything. Even if this was the only way…"

    "It was." The figure reaches into his robes and pulls out a duplicate-. No, the same scroll as the one I'm still carrying. "And I assure you, I hate it just as much as you do." Then he pushes back his hood and I'm not surprised by who I see. "I suppose we're our own worst enemy." He looks away from me. "Mister Truggs, you'll need the chronal suspension system."
     
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    • ...so now the Time Trapper is a future incarnation of Paul. Fantastic. So we go from Malthusian, to Savage, to Paul, and... hm. I'm curious if Paul's going to remember both timelines now or what.
     
    Can someone post a timetravel for dummies version of events for us mere mortals that couldn't track a single dot moving through this whole mess?
     
    Zoat.

    I love your story. I think you're a great writer.

    I enjoy your system of avoiding stating peoples names all the time. Using colored text and context is clever and normally works very well.

    But.

    Mr Zoat said:
    19th October
    09:12 GMT -6

    "You are not Savage."

    Truggs immediately goes over to the machine's control system and begins pressing buttons. I just look up at the purple robed figure staring down at me.

    "I'm not."

    "He failed, then. Just as I remember it."

    "You've probably cost me everything. Even if this was the only way…"

    "It was." The figure reaches into his robes and pulls out a duplicate-. No, the same scroll as the one I'm still carrying. "And I assure you, I hate it just as much as you do." Then he pushes back his hood and I'm not surprised by who I see. "I suppose we're our own worst enemy." He looks away from me. "Mister Truggs, you'll need the chronal suspension system."
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    Can I please get some names here?

    Timetrapper!Paul is talking to Oriental!Paul and Truggs is in there somewhere too. Two of the three people here are essentially the same person. I have no idea who is saying what.
     
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