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I think Most Excellent Superbat was mentioned during the world split episode. He's part of the Super Young Team, right?
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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I think Most Excellent Superbat was mentioned during the world split episode. He's part of the Super Young Team, right?
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Dollars to donuts Truggs has either done or will do something that alerts the Legion to what's going on and they show up during the melee.
That said their plan won't work so long as the Savage in the present is protected from timeline changes by his armor.
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I hope Truggs has a plan. Assuming he doesn't have a trap set up (and how would he?), taking OL's ring is going to be difficult, and that's his best shot of preventing this timeline from existing without OL stopping him. On the plus side, since this timeline's OL isn't enlightened, he shouldn't be able to call the ring back like he did last time (a good thing, too; angering Larfleeze this early in the timeline could change everything), and he's less proficient in the orange light in general.
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Yes he is, perhaps you're right (that he was mentioned). I can hardly remember all the characters who have gotten a shout out.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Y'know, I can't help but think that this is a trap.
I mean, Enlightenpaul recognized Time Trapper right before Mandated began, and certainly didn't act like it was Savage - meaning that they were either Savage in disguise, or they deceived Savage into thinking that they were a future version of himself. The Time Trapper not being Savage certainly explained why they panicked upon being recognized - their manipulations of Savage would be ruined if Paul knew the truth...but for what purpose is all of this working towards? Savage's bullshit certainly accelerated the collapse of the altered timeline back into the original, but there has to be something more to this...
I mean, Enlightenpaul recognized Time Trapper right before Mandated began, and certainly didn't act like it was Savage - meaning that they were either Savage in disguise, or they deceived Savage into thinking that they were a future version of himself. The Time Trapper not being Savage certainly explained why they panicked upon being recognized - their manipulations of Savage would be ruined if Paul knew the truth...but for what purpose is all of this working towards? Savage's bullshit certainly accelerated the collapse of the altered timeline back into the original, but there has to be something more to this...
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It's possible that Paul didn't actually recognize Time Trapper through his cloak and was just bullshitting using comic knowledge in hopes of getting a reaction.
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GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Did Paul even realize it was Time Trapper? He seemed a lot more casual about the encounter, more "Oh hey, it's you again!" rather than "I'm going to get you to slip up and reveal your identity!"
I mean, it's worth noting that the Time Trapper's history is something of a multiple choice answer that he'll change to be able to inflict the maximum amount of dickery possible.
Am I the only one hoping Vandal succeeds, at least for a little bit?
I want to see what kind of timeline that would look like.
I want to see what kind of timeline that would look like.
Fluffy
Destroyer of.......most worlds
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probably mostly like the one where he won world war 2
also, end of mostly pointless storyline in sight, Continuation of actual storyline hopefully will be soon.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Star Trek/Legion of Superheroes where Savage is the Emperor of Mankind, with his own squadron of shadow lass troops, pointy eared coluans, and the controllers are kept occupied feuding with the Organians, and he has a pet Q to give him unlimited wishes.
Kerrus
Fractal Insanity
Fucking temporal mechanics.
Okay so my current running theory is that OTL Time Trapper is Mandated Paul, and this entire thing is a closed temporal loop.
From our perspective as the readers, we hadn't seen any indication of Paul ever meeting whoever Time Trapper was supposed to be, and yet he clearly recognized him and appeared to have previously interacted with him. But even though everything in the story is from Paul's perspective, nobody has any indication of that meeting having happened- everyone's just assumed it happened offscreen.
What if, instead, it hadn't happened because we haven't seen it from Paul's perspective yet?
Paul recognizes Time Trapper from a previous meeting. Time Trapper has no recollection of this meeting. He throws Paul back in time. Then he tracks down when the meeting was supposed to occur, figures out nobody's there to meet Paul, and goes and meets him in order to secure his own personal timeline.
Paul gets flung back in time. Now this can go one of two ways. Either he arrives just in time for his timeline to get overwritten by Savage's changes, or he doesn't arrive at all. If it's the latter, this will be important later.
Truggs arrives, timeline goes on, Mandated Paul (Who arrived from Earth Prime and went through all the shenanigans he did in the new timeline) finds out about all this stuff, confronts Savage, and goes back to the night of stone knives to save his timeline along with Truggs. If OTL Paul didn't arrive at the present and get overwritten, he arrives at the same point in time- the Night of Stone Knives, and runs into his alternate timeline self at a plot convenient point to help. Truggs tries to get the original timeline to reassert itself, they all fight Savage, and ultimately the mandated timeline, or at least most of it is averted in some way that Mandated Paul can't recover from. He fucks off into the greater universe, while OTL Paul and Truggs go home via stasis the long way around.
Mandated Paul spends a bunch of time researching temporal technology because his goal is to still get his timeline back. He's functionally ageless thanks to his ring, and eventually assumes the Time Trapper identity, studying the Legion of Superheroes' collapsing timeline and theorizing that the research based on it might be enough to figure out who to re-assume his own timeline.
But when Paul recognizes him from a previous meeting, he realizes that this is the setup for his own timeline, and goes to ensure it works out (because the alternative is a future where Savage wins). This also leads to setup for I assume some kind of plan to save his timeline. Nu-52 never happened in this shard, so it's entirely feasible that with enough energy, a time traveler could shunt a timeline off into a new world line. I assume that's what Time Trapper Paul's goal is here.
Savage is just a patsy for TTPaul's Xanatos gambit to set everything up so the Mandated universe can be split off into his own distinct timeline. All the shit he's up to is leading up to a means to generate enough energy to stabilize the timeline, and that's why Time Trapper was studying the Legion's timeline. Same deal.
Okay so my current running theory is that OTL Time Trapper is Mandated Paul, and this entire thing is a closed temporal loop.
From our perspective as the readers, we hadn't seen any indication of Paul ever meeting whoever Time Trapper was supposed to be, and yet he clearly recognized him and appeared to have previously interacted with him. But even though everything in the story is from Paul's perspective, nobody has any indication of that meeting having happened- everyone's just assumed it happened offscreen.
What if, instead, it hadn't happened because we haven't seen it from Paul's perspective yet?
Paul recognizes Time Trapper from a previous meeting. Time Trapper has no recollection of this meeting. He throws Paul back in time. Then he tracks down when the meeting was supposed to occur, figures out nobody's there to meet Paul, and goes and meets him in order to secure his own personal timeline.
Paul gets flung back in time. Now this can go one of two ways. Either he arrives just in time for his timeline to get overwritten by Savage's changes, or he doesn't arrive at all. If it's the latter, this will be important later.
Truggs arrives, timeline goes on, Mandated Paul (Who arrived from Earth Prime and went through all the shenanigans he did in the new timeline) finds out about all this stuff, confronts Savage, and goes back to the night of stone knives to save his timeline along with Truggs. If OTL Paul didn't arrive at the present and get overwritten, he arrives at the same point in time- the Night of Stone Knives, and runs into his alternate timeline self at a plot convenient point to help. Truggs tries to get the original timeline to reassert itself, they all fight Savage, and ultimately the mandated timeline, or at least most of it is averted in some way that Mandated Paul can't recover from. He fucks off into the greater universe, while OTL Paul and Truggs go home via stasis the long way around.
Mandated Paul spends a bunch of time researching temporal technology because his goal is to still get his timeline back. He's functionally ageless thanks to his ring, and eventually assumes the Time Trapper identity, studying the Legion of Superheroes' collapsing timeline and theorizing that the research based on it might be enough to figure out who to re-assume his own timeline.
But when Paul recognizes him from a previous meeting, he realizes that this is the setup for his own timeline, and goes to ensure it works out (because the alternative is a future where Savage wins). This also leads to setup for I assume some kind of plan to save his timeline. Nu-52 never happened in this shard, so it's entirely feasible that with enough energy, a time traveler could shunt a timeline off into a new world line. I assume that's what Time Trapper Paul's goal is here.
Savage is just a patsy for TTPaul's Xanatos gambit to set everything up so the Mandated universe can be split off into his own distinct timeline. All the shit he's up to is leading up to a means to generate enough energy to stabilize the timeline, and that's why Time Trapper was studying the Legion's timeline. Same deal.
ThrawnCA
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I thought Paul recognized Time Trapper as one of the Controllers he met on Maltus?
Also, considering he's goddamn immortal and has existed since prehistoric times . . . It's always been really pathetic that Savage doesn't already rule the world.
Also, considering he's goddamn immortal and has existed since prehistoric times . . . It's always been really pathetic that Savage doesn't already rule the world.
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I do like all the digs at Enlightened Paul throughout this chapter. This Paul has brought a really fresh new perspective on things and showing how different our Paul is now since his beginnings. Its different from Renegade because the base of him is still there just more human and what we remember of him from the beginning of the story.
Jcc10
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... Please let this be real, this would let us get the best of both worlds, JUST THINK OF THE CROSSOVER MONOTIZTION POTENTIAL!
Jcc10
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Hey, Savage knows this become ruler quick scheme is going to work, it's not like he's going to live forever now is he?
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Savage's only superpower is immortality and, arguably, an incredible ambition tempered only by a tendency to arrogantly overreach himself. So, of course, whenever Savage ends up in a position of power he always gets greedy, doesn't think things through, and ends up spending a few months regenerating when the angry mob of completely normal people inevitably tears him apart. Non superpowered rulers rule only through the will of others, and since Savage seems completely incapable of not pissing off everyone he interacts with over prolonged periods of interaction it's inevitable that someone will end up shoving a knife in his spine to seize power from him at some point or another, or he'll piss off a neighboring power that'll end up taking over the lands he controls (which he'll then justify to himself as being all according to plan since he'll be able to take over the new empire eventually thanks to his immortality, despite the reality being that he got too greedy and fucked up).
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*shrugs* or the Time trapper is a shapeshifter/constantly flicking from disguise to disguise since im pretty sure there's millions to billions of people they've pissed off who are constantly trying to unravel their identity *shrugs* with the gigahitler's/megastalin's worth of planetary/universal genocides they're responsible for by default,they're likely COMPLETELY paranoid of the risk of getting unexisted, either by a past victim or preemptively by someone else out of simple self-preservation.
would make the reaction to OL recognising its current form unusual/odd, but..
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I read that as basically the plot with the fake Chrono from Chrono Trigger. But yes, I hope so, too.
So the thing about having a regeneration factor as good as Savage's is that you can't actually test it you can only say what has failed to kill you. Which means he might actually be able to regenerate from less than a single cell, cause how would he know otherwise, if he'd been less than that he would be dead.
I just mean that it would seem stupidly easy to use the fact that he's immortal as a tool to take over in the distant past. The kind of shit he would be able to pull to get accepted as a ruler who has eternal youth and will just come back to life if you move to kill him . . . The claims he could make about his immortality to bullshit people into going along with his rulership.
Because a lot of the historical figures DC has tried to claim were actually Savage had the people he ruled over being extremely loyal to them and who certainly didn't get overthrown in any popular revolutions.
Because a lot of the historical figures DC has tried to claim were actually Savage had the people he ruled over being extremely loyal to them and who certainly didn't get overthrown in any popular revolutions.
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While one or two of these characters are interesting, and I WOULD very much like to keep this Harmonious One in the original timeline, my overwhelming desire to see Savage smacked down prevents me from wanting more of this timeline.
I also don't know pretty much any of these characters, which makes it hard to care about them.
What I want to know is where the hell did Savage get this amazing time technowhatever and why the FUCK is it so overpowered?
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My understanding is that "The Timetrapper" is a mantle of power that can be obtained by various people (while the original personality remains to an extent)
So Controller-Timetrapper saw an opportunity to take over reality or escape from the vanishing point or something.
So he went back in time, gave Past-Savage the necessary info to make this new reality, and gain UNLIMITED POWER.
So Past-Savage did so, and became Savage-Timetrapper (since the power was just given to him it was ridiculously easy in this case)
But due to time-fuckery Timetrapper was always Timetrapper even when he was Controller-Timetrapper so it retroactively made Controller-Timetrapper become Savage-Timetrapper.
And now Timetrapper redid his history to be outside the vanishing point and about to take over reality.
As for how it happened, maybe OG-Timetrapper left behind his robe that had all his power for everyone who would put it on to Past-Savage (Paradoxes are for other people!!)
As for how much Savage-Timetrapper is Timetrapper maybe the power would make Savage into Timetrapper after a time (so Timetrapper was cool with becoming Savage-Timetrapper) or maybe Timetrapper IS the power and doesn't care who the meat that uses it is.
Finally since Paul recognised Controller-Timetrapper, there is a possibility he might do something to the OG-Timetrapper so maybe Controller-Timetrapper decided to jump meats anyway.
...God this is super confusing
... FUCK TIMETRAVEL!!!
THESSALY: Vandar Adg always was a greedy little shit.
IMMORTAL MAN: Ugh! Tell me about it!
DR. MIST: Oh DEFINITELY!
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