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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Crimson Doom said:
I mean, I never saw that implication. Narnia was more "okay, you've learned what you can from this place; now go learn what you can from the real world so that you can learn from the place I have for you after that", and the rest were usually "I miss my family and/or certain real-world amenities like working toilets more than I want to be here and be magic" from what I saw. My interpretation after the fact was always about where home was, and what that meant for the characters. But then, we have established that your fiction world was very different from mine, so perhaps I've simply been reading the wrong stories to be able to understand firsthand what you saw.
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Well I never read Narnia, had never really heard of it until the films jumped on the Lord of the Rings train. Also, for me...the very LAST place I ever wanted to go was home.

Sometimes during the summer I would get to stay with my aunt. She was, and still is I suppose, a wonderful woman. Just the total opposite of what I was used to, and I suppose yes she did spoil me a little but....the best part was, that I could just sleep at night. No getting hauled out to bars for hours and hours, no being left all alone at home wondering if she was dead, no listening to the house be smashed to pieces, no raging Dad beating the shit out of Mom, no Mom doing everything she could to provoke a fight with someone she couldn't fight, no listening to Dad whimper and groan because Mom literally ran him over with a truck.

No wondering if this was it, if the man who is supposed to be my Father is going to come in my room and kill me. Listening to him growl and mutter under his breath and GROWL like a god damn animal while he stands in my doorway staring at me. Room is too small, I don't have a window, and I can't get out, and I can't stop him because I'm too little.

Like I said...helpless.

I'd always call home, pleading to stay with my aunt Bev for longer. One time my parents actually asked "Don't you want to come home? Don't you miss us?"

No. No I don't. I'd be very happy if I never saw you again.

So I guess different tropes just come across different to me.

Small Edit: Kind of like our story here. If I woke up in a comic universe with a good set of super powers or something like a power ring? Fuck no, I ain't coming home. Hell, it's the one thing I think my Dad would actually agree on. "Hanging out with Superman boy? Well fuck, keep your ass there, because it's a better world then here. I'll catch you in next issue yeah?"
 
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Norgarth said:
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Thank you, corrected.
jcw3 said:
Here you go.

For future reference, here's what you can do. In the search bar, search something like "stood with my king" (an abbreviated lyric from that song) and then in the Posted by Member bar, type in "mr z" (that should be enough) then click on Mr Zoat's tag when it pops up. From there, it should be smooth sailing. Make sure you don't have "Search this thread only" selected. Otherwise you might miss something that's only in Story Only.
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Or go to Google, advanced search, limited to the Story Only thread. That's what I do when I want to find something.
Avernus said:
Typos: "taken" "your" "freelance", probably.
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Thank you, corrected.
 
parnary said:
Grayven is much better than bad sex fantasy Paul.

Please can we have everyone in China-Earth die and get back to a plot that will matter past next week?
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Dude...the mods have literally cracked like 4 or 5 people for this already. Come on now.


Iron Roby said:
Out of curiosity, what are those differences you think you have noticed?
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I hope I don't get in trouble for this.

With Male authors it always seems like there is a steady trend up. More adventure, more treasure, more awesome, more fun. There always seems to be a feeling of "Just show me what's over that horizon" Or I'm going to build that ship, that robot, that super suit. I'm going to figure this out, or invent that.

With Female authors it always seems like everything tend down. Like okay, we did that, but it's time to settle down. I used to do that, but I don't anymore. I have to get a wife, I need to marry that love interest, I've got a family now. If spurned to action again, it's never for the fun of it, but always because he's been wronged, been hurt or had everything taken away.

Typically I read mostly MaleXMale work and whoo boy...these girls just don't get it. Can't tell you how many times Guy A meets Guy B at like...crazy sexy place, and Guy B is just this sex god of dancing and outfits and OH MY GOD JUST SO HOT. But by the end? "OH you don't need to do all that dressing up and super sex stuff that just blew my mind and attracted me in the first place. It's time for us to just sit in sweat pants (this is mentioned a LOT. What is with sweat pants?) with a little house and a white picket fence and blah blah. Personally, I think this is a bit of wishful thinking in their own lives.

Because let me tell you. I got a boyfriend who is doing all that? Oh yeah he's keeping it up, and I am too.

To say nothing of the "Don't give me gifts and jewelry and shit! I'm a man! Pizza and beer!" (Again, this is almost word for word)

God damn it lady, you know nothing! We like romance and sweet stuff too! Especially us gay ones!
 
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Maxx Crowley said:
I wasn't talking about being a superhero, I was talking about people who whine about having superpowers. Like "Oh man, last night was just the worst. A guy broke into my house and shot me in the face with a shotgun. It was so annoying!"

Gee...yeah that's terrible. Why, if only you were "normal"...then you'd be dead.

Also, keep in mind that I'm not talking about people who legitimately have uncontrollable, destructive powers like sweating acid or killing everything you touch. Those I could understand the persons problems.

But having someone with perfectly functional, controllable abilities whine and cry about it literally enrages me. I mean, take away all the galactic god super threats and kryptonite and all that and ask yourself. In a normal, everyday world, when is Superman EVER going to be a victim?

I'm not talking about him ruling the world, or any super-dickery. Just a person with Superman level powers dealing with day to day life. When are they ever going to be in a situation where there is NOTHING they can do?

Hell, I'd create a supervillain that does just that. Heroes that cry about how they want to be normal? Make them normal, then show them just how bad a wish that was.

I'll never understand why so much fantasy/empowered fiction seems to jerk off "normalcy"

Finally, I do not associate with anything "Charmed" related.
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Imagine a setup where someone with those powers keeps losing everything.

That guy who broke in, well, in the process he did shoot up your family before trying to off you as well.

Someone burns down your house with everything in it, well, to bad for you. You're now homeless and needing to deal with everything else there.

Then there's the people who would be demanding that you use the powers after a few things like that...hell, look at the messes that pop up every time some hero in a comic tries to quit...

But having superpowers is all well and good until you realize that everyone and everything you care about doesn't have it as well.
 
SotF said:
Imagine a setup where someone with those powers keeps losing everything.

That guy who broke in, well, in the process he did shoot up your family before trying to off you as well.

Someone burns down your house with everything in it, well, to bad for you. You're now homeless and needing to deal with everything else there.

Then there's the people who would be demanding that you use the powers after a few things like that...hell, look at the messes that pop up every time some hero in a comic tries to quit...

But having superpowers is all well and good until you realize that everyone and everything you care about doesn't have it as well.
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But if they didn't have them then I guess they died too?

Granted, the situation you described sucks, but as I consider being alive better then being dead (especially if you're healthy) I still don't see this as a reason to be like "I hate having these super powers!! NORMAL!!!"
 
ThrawnCA said:
all sort
all sorts
What do you want.
What do you want?
practicing
practising
move it with your father
move in with your father
easily see then
easily see them
confused without anyone else
confused with anyone else
it's plasticity
its plasticity
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Thank you, corrected.
iamnuff said:
Is that an new rule? Because he sure didn't have it when he turned Amane into Murder-Flash.
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A complete sociopath wouldn't have been bothered by the murder of her parents, other than by how it inconvenienced her.
Crimson Doom said:
Hold on, you guys have a different name for "Trouble" across the pond?
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The War of Southern Irish Aggression?
Crimson Doom said:
I mean, I never saw that implication. Narnia was more "okay, you've learned what you can from this place; now go learn what you can from the real world so that you can learn from the place I have for you after that", and the rest were usually "I miss my family and/or certain real-world amenities like working toilets more than I want to be here and be magic" from what I saw. My interpretation after the fact was always about where home was, and what that meant for the characters. But then, we have established that your fiction world was very different from mine, so perhaps I've simply been reading the wrong stories to be able to understand firsthand what you saw.
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In 'The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe' they spent decades in Narnia before going home and being rejuvenated.
 
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Maxx Crowley said:
But if they didn't have them then I guess they died too?

Granted, the situation you described sucks, but as I consider being alive better then being dead (especially if you're healthy) I still don't see this as a reason to be like "I hate having these super powers!! NORMAL!!!"
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Survivors Guilt if nothing else.

Then there's things like you're pretty much invulnerable, you're on a plane that crashes and you're buried in the rubble with the bodies of the dead until someone, eventually, comes along and gets you out.

Oh, and along with that, it also reveals you have powers to every psycho and nutjob in the universe.

Heroes wonder about why you aren't trying to help people, thinking you might be a potential villain.

Villains both think the reverse and the "join or else" crowd gets involved. If the universe is anything like Marvel, well, if anyone suggests you might be some form of Mutant...

Once it starts, what are you going to do to get a job or insurance for things.

Wishing you were just normal so that you could just deal with the normal things rather than the mess you've ended up in is a pretty sane thing
 
SotF said:
Wishing you were just normal so that you could just deal with the normal things rather than the mess you've ended up in is a pretty sane thing
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I feel like the difference comes from whether normal life for the individual comes from a place of safety or of danger. For most people, normality is safety: it asks little of them and shields them from more than mild discomfort. So suddenly getting superpowers and having everyone pressure you to use them on their behalf feels more dangerous than normality. But for someone like Maxx, who is a victim of normality and "champions" thereof, whose childhood was fraught with danger... well, if you're in danger either way, you might as well keep the superpowers, y'know?
 
I suspect that in many cases having superpowers would be frustrating if they are narrow in application. I mean, OL has the advantage that with a power ring he can make a real difference in all sorts of ways; sure he's frustrated at how little use superpowers get beyond supervillainy and Righteous Face Punching, but he at least has the catharsis of being able to work on fixing the problem.

It would be pretty frustrating to have the same attitude while just having for example your basic flying brick powers, and be stuck Face Punching to maintain the status quo because that's about all you can do.
 
Avernus said:
It would be pretty frustrating to have the same attitude while just having for example your basic flying brick powers, and be stuck Face Punching to maintain the status quo because that's about all you can do.
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I mean, yes and no I suppose. A flying brick could still affect a lot of change, just not as quickly. Unless they got a device like a Mother box or Power ring.

People tend to forget that Superman was just as much a science hero at times. Then John Q. Public started going "Science bad!" and that changed. Plus the fact that writers will tie themselves in knots trying to come up with reasons for Superman to continue to maintain the status quo.
 
Avernus said:
I suspect that in many cases having superpowers would be frustrating if they are narrow in application. I mean, OL has the advantage that with a power ring he can make a real difference in all sorts of ways; sure he's frustrated at how little use superpowers get beyond supervillainy and Righteous Face Punching, but he at least has the catharsis of being able to work on fixing the problem.

It would be pretty frustrating to have the same attitude while just having for example your basic flying brick powers, and be stuck Face Punching to maintain the status quo because that's about all you can do.
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Yes, I've toyed with alt.Pauls who get less convenient powers.

Like an alt.Paul with Captain Action's ring. So superhuman senses, superstrength, weather control, and flight ala Storm's carrying winds method. Not weak at all, but if Paul wanted to go science hero he'd have to work on it with that ring.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
With Male authors it always seems like there is a steady trend up. More adventure, more treasure, more awesome, more fun. There always seems to be a feeling of "Just show me what's over that horizon" Or I'm going to build that ship, that robot, that super suit. I'm going to figure this out, or invent that.
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On the side of bad, though, in many works this can quickly become an effortless power fantasy wank ride with no real narrative tension.

Maxx Crowley said:
But if they didn't have them then I guess they died too?
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In some cases, the situation became like that in the first place, because the bad guys found out (thanks to a plot device) that you had superpowers.
 
Iron Roby said:
On the side of bad, though, in many works this can quickly become an effortless power fantasy wank ride with no real narrative tension.
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And on the other flipside, you can have entire chapters filled with things like taking out the trash, doing the dishes, talking about little Timmy's science project...about 5 chapters after you tossed an evil warlord into a volcano...and then tossed all your magical equipment into it as well because "I don't need this anymore."

Seriously, I read that.

Besides, I was just stating my observations. Though I'm sure my feelings are clear.

Iron Roby said:
In some cases, the situation became like that in the first place, because the bad guys found out (thanks to a plot device) that you had superpowers.
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Shit happens? Guess you'll just have to get some sweet sweet revenge.

....except someone will undoubtedly pull the "But if you kill him, you'll be just like him!"

Nevermind all those mooks you already destroyed to get there.
 
Avernus said:
I suspect that in many cases having superpowers would be frustrating if they are narrow in application. I mean, OL has the advantage that with a power ring he can make a real difference in all sorts of ways; sure he's frustrated at how little use superpowers get beyond supervillainy and Righteous Face Punching, but he at least has the catharsis of being able to work on fixing the problem.

It would be pretty frustrating to have the same attitude while just having for example your basic flying brick powers, and be stuck Face Punching to maintain the status quo because that's about all you can do.
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Even pure Face Punching powers can be translated into something more, when you know how to apply them to gather other resources, both material and social.

For example, punch enough villains in the face to become a symbol like Superman. Then use the fame and prestige to organize and protect a team of people with skills more useful to fix the roots of the issues you face, not just the symptoms you punch. Or find a partner like Bruce Wayne or Ted Kord with a lot of resources, but no muscle of your class. If it's acceptable to basically rob the villains, then do so. More antiheroic routes involve just finding a place you can't make worse and taking it over by force, like Teth Adom.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
Shit happens? Guess you'll just have to get some sweet sweet revenge.
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Won't bring your loved ones back. Granted, that's not actually a reason to not take revenge, because the purpose is usually punishment and satisfaction, not resurrection, but I can see how people might prefer to not have found themselves in the situation in the first place.

Maxx Crowley said:
....except someone will undoubtedly pull the "But if you kill him, you'll be just like him!"
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The obvious inaneness of that phrase has always irritated me. Even something like "You might end up on a path to one day become like him!" would be better. Even if it's often a fallacy, at least slipper slope is still a superior argument to a glaringly false direct comparison.
 
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Iron Roby said:
Won't bring your loved ones back.
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See? See? Lazarus pit research!

Iron Roby said:
The obvious inaneness of that phrase has always irritated me. Even something like "You might end up on a path to one day become like him!" would be better. Even if its often a fallacy, at least slipper slope is still a superior argument to a glaringly false direct comparison.
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The fact that it always comes after said hero has utterly slaughtered their way to the villain is what always gets me. Okay, so kill THIS guy is bad...but the 500 generic henchmen I've killed already is just a freebie right?
 
Dannering little miss Persuader would be more traditional, but with an atomic axe that can cut through anything including gravity, the Garrick formula would be a lot more useful.

Although cutting gravity isn't even the weirdest bits of DC science I've been exposed to lately.

Emoto's theory of empathic water is true in DC. Paul could market his own brand of bottled water. Greedwater, now with 100% extra greed!

And Batman Odyssey reveals the Earth is hollow. And filled with the Greys, dinosaurs, dinosaur people, wizards, genetically engineered Egyptian deities who keep the source of the Lazarus Pits, neanderthals, telepathic cyclops, gnomes, trolls, riding bats, their own internet, and Bat-Man the neanderthal and Primus the raptor wonder.

Because apparently Skartaris isn't weird enough for Neil Adams.

Well either that or all the drugs Batman has been exposed to left him in quite the mushroom samba.
 
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