RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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Still really hope she goes to Batman. He's a good dad, and she was the best Batgirl.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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spencer1519
(Verified Heretic)
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I'm here to conquer! ... your heart!
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He was one of those super-powered "I just want to be normal" types...
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It also reminds me of One Punch, where it might've just been that Saitama didn't want to miss a limited time discount that the place was offering, or had a coupon that was about to expire.
He's really casual about the whole hero thing.
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Jokes aside, I feel like I should point out that loving adoption is very close to his take on Conquest. You find someone with pointal who is deprived, and you help them until they are yours. You love and shelter them so that they love and shelter you. They become your family, whole and undivided. Conquest at it's most constructive.
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what, you've never heard the phrase 'Hearts and Minds'?
Grayven here understands that loyalty works best when it goes both ways. @random_npc summed it up pretty well.
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This is rather glossed over, but any idea _why_ the classmate wanted that teacher dead? It could be anything from thinking he/she deserved an A not a B+ to having been physically abused by him. I suppose for a hitman in the making, not caring about that is a useful trait. :/
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I don't know if there is anywhere I can go for this but I'm having a hard time finding particular bits in the story, for instance I'm trying to find the arc where Paul became an amazonian citizen and sang I followed my king, but I just can't find it, I'm assuming that the titles for the arcs are meant to mean something but I just don't understand, what there needs to be is a description of what happens in each arc, not an in depth one but one that we can use to say 'oh, its that part of the story'.
Here you go.
For future reference, here's what you can do. In the search bar, search something like "stood with my king" (an abbreviated lyric from that song) and then in the Posted by Member bar, type in "mr z" (that should be enough) then click on Mr Zoat's tag when it pops up. From there, it should be smooth sailing. Make sure you don't have "Search this thread only" selected. Otherwise you might miss something that's only in Story Only.
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agreed. I'm here because of one of the 3ya recs and I'm so happy I followed it, this story has been really important to me over the last 3 years.
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Now I wanna know how renegade turns out in China verse, or is it so structured that both paragon and renegade do pretty much the same exact thing?
Lone Courier 6
Devilish Fool
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Eh, Grayven took a very specific route of actions specific to the earth he was on, so a Renegade Mandate, would never become Grayven we know and love... (or hate as some of you dislike him for reasons I don't agree with.)
Can't say I approve of his hiring practices. He is taking only a very small number of individuals, surely it would be better to take the sane but unskilled and teach them skill rather than a competent nutjob and hope you can bend their mind into something functional.
Also really hope he was talking about Danner rather than godhood when he said she would be physically enhanced. There are enough mad gods running about as is thank you very much.
Him grabbing the charity case makes sense.
Rather depressing really, someone actually thought that mortal martial arts taken far enough could matter in the face of physical gods.
You mistake different labels for different things. What is conquest but adopting a country? What is adoption but conquering a child?
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A King should always strive to be loved, but if that can't happen, fear will do.
Ugh...I can't think of a more loathsome hero archetype. Every time I see it used I can't help but wonder just what the writer is thinking. Why yes, use people without super powers, living day to day with lifes problems, really wanna hear someone who can fly whine about how much they want to be like us.
It's especially loathsome with someone that has say, Superman level power. Like, "Oh? You want to be helpless?"
"No, I just want to be normal. I don't want to have this burden."
"Like I said, helpless. Burden huh? Yeah, it must suck knowing that you're totally safe at all times. That you can defend your loved ones from anything. It must suck so much for a guy to step out of a dark alley, twitchy and jumpy as all fuck, and all you feel is annoyance at the gun pointed in your face."
This should totally be tagged on a help page or something. I didn't know any of this.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
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Grayven and OL both have a strong interest in helping criminals reform. Grayven is just way more direct with people who he thinks will end up as supervillains.
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That is why I said Renegade instead of Grayven, he wouldn't have become Grayven but I'd still like to know what happens to him. Especially since this slight difference in mindset caused things to change so much in regular earth so with China Earth the changes must be insane.
It's more that you need to pick the right kind of "martial arts". Not the sort where you are really, really skilled; but the sort where you learn to "focus your spiritual energies" and walk through walls or explode people with a punch or whatever. Mr Zoat has stated that that sort of thing exists in the setting, that there are techniques for focusing the soul to create powered effects. Sort of similar to what New Gods themselves do, actually.
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"freelance", probably.
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It can be a burden. If you have superman style abilities then every moment you could be constantly aware of the murder, rape, destruction and so on you could prevent by using your powers. The problem is that it doesn't stop and any time spent on yourself is also time you could be using to save more people.
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And? No, really....so what?
I'm sticking to my if a writer does the "I just want to be normal" whine and cry, they need a good slap.
Almost nothing else will make me lose respect for a character faster. I'll drop the whole book. You want to be normal? Well once your book gets canceled I guess you will be?
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Batman was pretty horrible to Cass tbh. He considered her a smaller version of himself and she messed herself up even further trying to impress him.
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It is a really prolific trope that is overdone, but I'm sympathetic to why it can be done well.
As the audience, it's easy to fantasize about supernatural stuff happening to us or giving us abilities, because escapist narratives allow us to sort of "avoid" our normal lives. It's fun to think "what if I got a power ring?" and imagine ourselves in the shoes of someone like Paul - that's the whole point of a self-insert narrative, sometimes.
A good example of this is the show Charmed. At its core, this is a series about a trio of sisters and their close family who have a destiny to fight evil using their good witch abilities. They discovered their powers in their adult life, so they basically had a long, normal life before they were suddenly thrust into the world of the supernatural and had to ultimately try to navigate the normal life that they once had, while also dealing with the supernatural elements that they had sort of forced upon them. Everything from their careers, their friends, their relationships is tested throughout the series, as they intersect with these supernatural elements.
That struggle is honestly the show's conceit, really: "we didn't sign up for this, but we have a moral obligation, and a literal cosmic destiny, to help others. If we don't embrace it, we'll either die or others will die because we fail." From my description, you might be thinking that they sort of hate that they feel forced into this, but it's more nuanced than that. They are good people, and they love helping defend the innocent from demons and other evil creatures, but they face the sort of "selfish" struggle of just wanting to get their happy ending. It sort of explores those themes of "haven't we done enough? why do we have to give up our own lives to keep up the fight? Are we expected to put ourselves in dangerous situations forever, with nothing in return?" throughout, and it's honestly one of my favorite things about the series.
That struggle is honestly the show's conceit, really: "we didn't sign up for this, but we have a moral obligation, and a literal cosmic destiny, to help others. If we don't embrace it, we'll either die or others will die because we fail." From my description, you might be thinking that they sort of hate that they feel forced into this, but it's more nuanced than that. They are good people, and they love helping defend the innocent from demons and other evil creatures, but they face the sort of "selfish" struggle of just wanting to get their happy ending. It sort of explores those themes of "haven't we done enough? why do we have to give up our own lives to keep up the fight? Are we expected to put ourselves in dangerous situations forever, with nothing in return?" throughout, and it's honestly one of my favorite things about the series.
I use that example to say that if, at some point in the future, Paul starts to question whether or not it's worth it continue going after supervillains or other threats, about what it would be like to give up the ring and all that he can use to help the world, and allow someone else to take the mantle? I think that narrative can be done really well if Zoat approaches it the right way, and builds up to that struggle the right way.
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Not with desire enlightenment.
RichardWhereat
Feanor did nothing wrong.
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This is BatDad, not NewEarthBatman
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