Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
I dunno, in Paul's main timeline the devil seems more likely to invite the Reach to Earth, given his position in the Light.
With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
- Thread starter Mr Zoat
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- Location
- Oceanside
Surveillance states aren't intrinsically bad. Every first-world nation and then some participates in mass surveillance. It all depends on how they act on any information they obtain.
- Location
- Earth
I disagree. Just because something happens doesn't make it OK.
Also, why does everyone hate Truggs so much? He's great.
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- she/her
The devil getting a favourable reference in British government is hardly unlikely, in this fic.
- Location
- Oceanside
Mass surveillance doesn't just "happen". Every country that has - independently of each other and without it being required by international law - decided to do it has considered it worth investing in.
I don't know why people don't like Truggs. Hopefully that'll change after he saves... like, all the days.
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Yarudazuigu
Frostbyte's overlord.
- Location
- Poland
Mandate Earth doesn't seem to be utterly evil. Also, Mandate!Nabu seems to work swimmingly towards world stability. And you are incensed about something that is our everyday life?!
Look at the CAMERAS EVERYWHERE or idjits with cellphones camera-ing everything and putting it on Twitters or other such nonsense. Even Internet is CENSORED to an extent and TV news are such a parody of not-bullshit-propaganda that I stopped watching it years ago. Once in every while I watch TV News to check ... and it only fuels my rejection.
You are really have weird sense of apopriateness.
That explains it.
You would turn Mandate Earth, where Paul gets laid and is less insane, into ParaPaul Earth that is on fast-track to Darkseid-itits? Really?
- Location
- australia
he's a dick,he set paul up to die horribly via Bane which was only prevented by metaknowladge/him having vital information about someone Bane genuinely LOATHED (that he promptly used as a bargaining tool)memorised instead of stored on his ring by sheer dumb luck,
he set up with the literally baby-murdering light as a FIRST resort on arriving instead of even making even a TOKEN effort to find a group ACTUALLY WILLING to improve the planet/avert the bad future scenario (instead of just endlessly spewing out hollow justifications for an increasingly long list of atrocities)-which he had no excuse for given that SOME knowledge of several of the major active rightous face-punchers survived into the legion's era,
annnnd i dunno if you noticed, the guy's kiiinda a dick >.>
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shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
- Location
- Melbourne, Australia
As a character or as a person? Because he's an aggravating jackarse who is entertaining because he irritates OL so much.
Just because some unknown person on a phone call mentions history, are they more likely to be a 100% genuine actual time-traveler, or a random nutter with a few wires crossed?
So far, this version of OL hasn't seen any evidence of time-travel capability. Even Fate only froze him in time for a short period - or possibly just erased a section of memory. Either way, actual multiple-timeline shenanigans are going to need far more proof than a weirdo on the phone - even if that weirdo somehow managed to shield himself from ring scans.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
I'll see you whenever
Europe has a bit more than three times as many people as the Middle East, so if Mandate Europe is comparable to Prime Middle East then it's a bit more than three times as bad on that front by default.
Also, many millions of people were nuked in Mandate Earth. Like, Zoat mentioned something about how the capital of China was moved to the most important city that wasn't in the eastern part of the country because all the eastern cities were nuked, and Japan was pretty irradiated when Mandate Paul was there in parts three and four.
Granted, we don't know the whole history of Mandate Earth so we don't know if other things would balance it out, but from the looks of things it seems like it's kind of crummy in comparison to YJ Earth.
Truggs needs a power ring so he can be a proper nemesis to Paul. An Orange one, I think.
- Location
- Somewhere out there
I would probably write "While those there" but you could also change the comma to a semicolon or add "but" or "however" after the comma.
If Truggs were to get a power ring I suspect it would be purple. He'd just keep going.
Chained Dreamer
Sleeping God of Imagination
- Location
- Germany
I'm more interested in how Paul is going to resolve his issues with changing time. After all, he always said that he doesn't care about some hypothetical timeline, and the only people he's going to protect are the ones right here and now.
Well guess what Paul.
Alan Scott, Kon, the other Jade and a multitude of other people you like just became hypothetical. The people you care about now are the old chinese lantern, this Jade and some other people not revealed yet.
On top of that, he doesn't even remember the other ones.
Is he going to follow the ideoloy he spouts or will he throw it out the window as soon as it's convinient for him? And if he does, how will that change his relations with the Legion? If he is allowed to change the timeline to get the one he wants, why aren't they allowed to restore the timeline where the Reach conquers Earth?
Well guess what Paul.
Alan Scott, Kon, the other Jade and a multitude of other people you like just became hypothetical. The people you care about now are the old chinese lantern, this Jade and some other people not revealed yet.
On top of that, he doesn't even remember the other ones.
Is he going to follow the ideoloy he spouts or will he throw it out the window as soon as it's convinient for him? And if he does, how will that change his relations with the Legion? If he is allowed to change the timeline to get the one he wants, why aren't they allowed to restore the timeline where the Reach conquers Earth?
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
First of all, he just said you were supposed to know how history was supposed to go, meaning he might have traveled through time at least and secondly, if the issue is memory erasure, how would you know if you'd traveled through time and forgotten the aborted timeline.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
- Location
- In transition
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Because he's stupid. Or a hypocrite. Or both. He's like, "Oh, superheroes failed to stop the Reach in the future", but instead of, like, working to warn the superhero community and upskill them for what is coming like a sensible person would, he just decided to join the supervillains and do the exact same stupid things supervillains do, but in a marginally smarter manner. Ambushing Paul to get his ring was dumb, when he could have gotten on Paul's good side and coordinated their efforts, possibly leading to a ring for himself anyway. And what did ambushing the Team do for Truggs's stated goal of getting humanity ready? Absolutely goddamn nothing. In much the same way Paul is offended by the likes of Captain Cold not sharing their tech, I am offended by Truggs being so bad at what his stated goal is.
IIRC the numbers were decided in-universe anyways, so the ring can probably scan for that on demand.
Also, time travel is not inter-universal travel, so it won't have any effect on this sort of thing and he's still in 16.
The former seems more likely, since Paul didn't notice himself shifting slightly along with the other things in the room.
China has long had a culture of putting the State above the Individual. It's one of the reasons Communism sort-of worked there (Western culture tends to emphasis the Individual over the State, which contributed to a lot of Western Communist governments turning into disguised Kleptocracies, people would gain power then look to their own benefit rather than the State's.)
I can easily see China being a 'surveillance state' even centuries ago, technology just makes it much easier/more effective.
you're assuming Sino-Europe (and Middle East) has simular population levels as RL. Being less advanced/more conservative in both technology and culture, they likely can't support as large of a population.
Plus there nothing saying that Sino-Europe is peaceful, there could be a lot more warfare in their history (unable to colonize large chunks of Asia, the Americas, Australia, and Africa means more fighting over resources/land they can reach),
You do remember what happened when Mind-controlled Hal Jordan tried fighting Guyon? Orange would be the worst choice for Truggs.
Ophidian: "You're trying to use My Light against My Agent? I don't think so."
Temporally shielded in the sense that if this is Paragon Paul who has been altered by this timeline rewrite, the Rind retained some of the data gathered in the original timeline...but on further reflection I suppose it isn't that likely.
You think Chinese avoided the trap of communist governments turning into disguised Kleptocracies. (sucks in breath) Yeah, I have some bad news for you....
But I think the whole discussion about which world is "better" is missing the point. It's not some kind of utilitarian judgement where the happiest world wins.
In comics, you do that kind of thing once, and then you subvert it and have it not work the next time it comes up.
- Location
- Purple Mountain Majesty
Hey guys, not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but has anyone unlocked an alt history play through without having to first run the time twister build? Don't get me wrong, a double-length play through with a randomised mid-point reset is cool, but being able to select which alt timeline I'm going into would be nice.
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
- Location
- In transition
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Don't look at me, I avoided time travel playthroughs like the plague.
- Location
- Hampden Park
Imperial China is ruler by the Emperor and his advisors. Nabu is widely respected, but he isn't a Chinese citizen, let alone a government official.
Oh no, that's just for Scorpion Stare.
It's not an uncommon thing for disgruntled pan-European nationalists to say, particularly after news about Earth Prime's history got around. Also, the SI has dealt with super powered crazy people.
Thank you, corrected.
It let him test the effectiveness of the weapons he had developed.
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Neruz
Rogue Spiderbanana
- Location
- The Land of Fire and Poison
My point is that most of the downsides for the more authoritarian styles of government are founded in corruption, and it's much harder for corruption to take root when there are powerful Order aligned magical entities hanging around and truth-telling magic.
There are still problems; nothing is perfect. But barring some kind of ludicrous 'they were evil all along' secret reveal this alternate reality is probably, on the whole, an improvement over the previous one. At least for the average human being.
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