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Why would the OLC as a whole care about Earth politicians?

Because OL doesn't want to take actions that alienate him from all his friends and the government can make things difficult and/or annoying for OL and his friends. If all they want to do is have a discussion that will be uncomfortable for OL then politicians can easily make it more costly to refuse them than to comply.

Unless you're a complete psychopath or decide to not interact with the society of the planet at all, you're going to have to comply with reasonable requests from the politicians of said planet no matter how powerful you are.
 
Probably not, but I imagine that Paul would be upset if the OLC couldn't be there to help protect Earth, if some bad thing happened there that needed a Corps to step in to defend them. All, or at least, most of the people he wants to protect are there. Unofficially, I'm sure that they'd probably still step in to defend such an intergalactic threat, but we know political affiliations do effect the GLC. I could see something like that as important to Drox.

The GLC cares about political desires of a planet because the Guardians care about that. Because the GLC are supposed to be galactic police.

The Controllers don't give a shit about a backwater pre-common spaceflight civilization that the Illustres of the OLC called dibs on. They equally don't give a shit about he opinions, stupid opinions even, of one or a few counties on the planet. The OLC as it is now and in the foreseeable future is a military organization.

Edit: The SI is the practical leader of the OLC. He's recruited almost all of the members and saved quite a few as well. They will do what he says. Thats part of the reason Dox sent Paul back to earth. Everybody that was recruited thought the SI was the true leader of the OLC.

@Mr Zoat Has there been any off screen meetings between the SI, four Controllers (is one of these Hinon?), and Dox as the seven seated council that the SI suggested? (Dox has two seats cause Navy commander and Army General?)
 
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Pursuant (part 5)
19th October
09:02 -8 GMT


The detective in charge of the crime scene raises her hand as she sees me flying towards them. "Orange Lantern, down here!"

A quick scan, and I transition downward. "You rang?"

"Yeah." She stares at my faceplate for a moment, so I send my power armour back into subspace. "Got something I think might be right up your alley." She walks towards a nearby warehouse which is teeming with scene-of-crime officers. "Not that I want to sound ungrateful, but my chief put a call in to the Justice League."

"The Justice League has just over twenty members and worldwide responsibilities. In the event that whatever happened here is as significant as you think, I'll forward-" We pass through the doorway leading to the interior. "-my report-."

I stop. Then I float back a metre. Oh dear.

From outside, all I can see is the interior of a warehouse. A few offices and rows of shelves with moveable ladders and space for forklift trucks to move between them. But as I pass the threshold…

"Yeah, clever isn't it? It even lets you see me standing in here."

Ring?

Processing.

What I'm looking at now is a bloodbath. I'd say… Approximately thirty bodies, mostly young adults, piled haphazardly in the centre of the room. Blood and gore and other signs of battle damage cover the interior. As I scan faces and genetics the ring shows me matches with recent missing person reports. Remains… Recent, but not immediate. The level of damage they've taken is literally extraordinary. Directed energy weapons, turned up far too high for unarmoured targets.

"We think they were having raves here. See the walls?"

Sound deadening equipment. Surprisingly sophisticated if that's all that was going on. Though where you get raves

I take a couple of rune stones out of a pouch and float it over to the nearest corpse pile. Low response for residual magic, and the second one detects residual demonic energy.

"What's that mean?"

"Demon. Either a summoning or Devil Jizz. And from the lack of obvious ritual signs I'm going to assume the latter. Though I'll contact a magician and ask them to confirm."

"You think someone got a bad batch and went on a killing spree?"

"It.. does happen. But.. no. The majority of injuries read as phased particle weapons. Jizzers who go monster generally use their muscles or acid or fire." I look up, then shine a light on the words written in blood upon the far wall. "And generally don't write insults in their victims' blood."

One of the scene of crime officers takes a photograph of the writing. 'SUBHUMAN SPECIES TRAITORS' isn't a slogan that lends itself to readily being linked to an existing organisation. If it said 'race' rather than 'species' that would suggest neo-Nazis, but as it is…

"Who uses phased particle weapons?"

"Dozens of star-faring species. On Earth? I've used them a couple of times, I think Russia's Future Weapons program has one, but it's the size of a house. Apart from that… Um."

"What?"

"With some older reports, our ability to precisely identify what weapons were used wasn't as good as it is now. There was a group of assassins that the Justice Society ran into a couple of times who might have used them, but I couldn't say for certain. And they were strictly for-pay killers; they didn't bother writing ideological insults in their victims' blood."

"Who were they?"

"They were called Eliminations, Inc, but… As far as I know, they haven't been active for at least forty years. This doesn't match their MO."

"So, aliens. Why would aliens want to kill a group of partying drug-users?"

"When I scanned this warehouse from outside I didn't detect anything unusual. Light refraction camouflage plus power ring baffles plus phased particle weapons brings the list of probable perpetrators down… But none of the species who regularly use both live anywhere near here. And none of them would care about humans being 'impure'."

Alert.


Genetic patterns dance before my eyes. Just outside an area that looks like it's been burned with white phosphorus, a tiny blood sample that doesn't match the bodies piled in the centre of the room. Some of the patterns… Those aren't naturally occurring. I've seen some of them in Nylor Truggs, but as far as I can tell this isn't him. Lex might have tried using Truggs' DNA to 'upgrade' someone, but he and Satanus are allies. Lex.. can be speciesist, but he hasn't ever taken a pop at Ms Lane except to draw Kal-El out. Did he lose control of someone? It's not inconceivable that he managed to make man-portable phased particle weapons… No, it doesn't fit. He's not this reckless, not after situations like this blew up in his face early in Kal-El's career.

Which means that either these genes come from whoever it was who developed them in the first place for Truggs to inherit them, or… We've got at least one more time traveller.

"What? You found something?"

"Yes. Exotic DNA." I take a scraping from the floor and wave my rune stones at it. Could be contaminated, but… No reaction. "Not from the victims."

"Exotic like alien?"

"No, like engineered. Mostly human, so not a purpose built bio-engineered killing machine. A scientifically augmented human. Enhanced strength, endurance, regeneration and sensory acuity."

"How much enhanced strength?"

"About twenty percent over what you'd expect from their muscle mass."

"So not super-enhanced, then."

"No. The way Truggs put it, the enhancements were designed to stay in the population after a civilisation collapse. They're designed to be inherited, not to be the most powerful they could be. But I'm more concerned about the technology base that could create those enhancements and phased particle beams."

"Why?"

"Because it's from the future."

"What?"

"Assuming Truggs wasn't lying, some time in the not too distant future Earth gets invaded by aliens and loses. Eventually they leave, and the surviving humans are set back to industrial age levels of technology until they get conquered by the Thanagarians. I don't really know the timelines-."

"Earth gets conquered and-. That happens, what?!"

"Obviously we're going to try to prevent it, but that was the timeline he lived through. The point is, I don't know the exact schedule of events and so I can't really suggest who these people could be." I shake my head. "I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful, and I will certainly forward this to Batman."

"So… We can't do anything? They just get away?"

"If they are time travellers, I doubt that they've done this for fun. It's more likely that a pattern will become apparent." Sadly. "I'm going to go and talk to Abra Kadabra and see if he remembers anything about them. I'll keep you apprised."

I turn away to-.

"What do we do if we find them?"

"Back away, call me. Failing that, shoot them with the biggest gun you have. Repeatedly."
 
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Because OL doesn't want to take actions that alienate him from all his friends and the government can make things difficult and/or annoying for OL and his friends. If all they want to do is have a discussion that will be uncomfortable for OL then politicians can easily make it more costly to refuse them than to comply.

Unless you're a complete psychopath or decide to not interact with the society of the planet at all, you're going to have to comply with reasonable requests from the politicians of said planet no matter how powerful you are.
Reasonable requests perhaps but OL has no obligation to respond to unreasonable requests and the politicians aren't petty / stupid enough to cause trouble for the justice league (and public defenders of the whole world) just to annoy OL.
 
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You're gonna need to provide some citation on that one, because I don't see any reason why Drox would care about political structures that don't span at least one planet. His goals primarily seem to be solidifying his authority in the OLC (hence sending Paul home) and dealing with the Reach, neither of which have anything to do with a small president of a small country on a small world, especially since said president won't even be in power after a decade. Now, I'm not an expert on Drox, so maybe I'm missing something, but as far as I'm able to tell, Drox would only care about Earth politics if they somehow affected the war against the Reach.

This is the specific point that I was talking about. He probably wouldn't care about those things, unless those policies DID impact the war against the Reach (or some other large intergalactic threat that could arise). IE, the entire plot of the second season. Imagine an OLC that also can't intervene in the affairs of Earth without political backlash (losing specific allies, or harming other relationships that are important to the OLC), while Paul has to deal with being unable to intervene on Earth officially. That's an interesting quandary. The specific scenario of the second season is likely to be butterflied away, but it works as an example of the type of thing that would matter.

But none of this is even important to discuss because there's thousands of updates and millions of words before any of that happens, so why bother talking about it.
 
They both worked on test tissue samples, but he never tried them on a living creature.
Aww, really? Because the combination seems rather...overpowered. Blockbuster isn't quite Danner, but Renegade was able to casually punch through a tree. And Big Flinders showed high resistance to typical disabling techniques, so vertigo inducers are potentially ineffective. And the SI can synthesise Garrick formula with higher purity than any superhero has ever used before. Bouldering up obviously isn't something for the masses, but it could produce some exceptionally powerful law enforcement with judiciously selected candidates.

(And yes, two of those examples were Venom Buster, not just Blockbuster, but a) it's a difference of degree and b) Venom Buster could easily be compatible with Garrick too.)

a good Green Lantern I smile.
a good Green Lantern. I smile.

the other's forearm

practise this

meant no offence

Did your father practice
Did your father practise

Alternatively,

for me to be sure

The experiments I've seen in Atlantis have far more protections than we're using here.
How wise of them...

Would Nyssa be speaking American English here?
 
A. No, saying he stole something from God is, in fact, a big leap from saying he stole some fruit and an angel was weird and B. This is talk show host, not 60 minutes. She was chosen because she was a low brow soft core interviewer.
He said he stole an apple, that's a crime. A miniscule crime that absolutely no one will care about, because no one knows what jurisdiction it happened in. But a crime, none the less.
Ok, I know emotions may rising and hearts worn on sleeves, but this is getting into hyperbole. Humans are really, really good at making connections and finding the pattern. So good in fact that the usual problem is finding patterns that aren't there (faces in clouds and on mars) or connections that are interesting, but ultimately untrue (conspiracy theories), not missing an elementary 'this plus this implied that' deduction.

Anyone who thinks about it for two seconds is going to come to the conclusion that the fruit and angel was sent down from heaven to make OL repent stealing has is connected to the divine, and probably one of those special fruits originating in the Garden of Eden mentioned in the bible. I mean the logic train is so freaking short it might as well be one of those short busses ridden by disabled children. Step one, angels don't appear much anymore. And when they did, it was for religious shit of import, like 'See this cute little baby in a manger I am flapping my wings around? Yeah, he's important' or 'Congratulations, you've been chosen to spread the word of God.' Even if this was exactly what OL was implying, that he took some random unimportant apple off a street vendors stand in between Heroing gigs, I don't think hardly anyone would actually believe it, because it goes against their impulse to find a connection between the two events, and because it doesn't fit the pattern they have for Angelic visitations.

And if you want to know why God would care about a fruit, well he has a book out. Maybe check it out and see it if has anything about fruit god? I mean even if you don't like reading because 'words words words, ugh' it is right there in the beginning. Now maybe OL could have stolen some New Testament fruit, which you never learned about because you never got that far into the book, but first chapter fruit? That is some scholarship even the most 'everything I need to know about my religion, I learned from a bored housewife in sunday school as a child' type of christian has access to.

That leads you to a few likely culprits. The Fruit of Knowledge of Good & Evil, the Fruit of Life, or some other fruit with special properties from the Garden that was never mentioned by name, and useful in making an Anti-Demon weapon . Perhaps there was a Fruit of Purity or Cleanliness? Just because the interviewer didn't ask the question out loud doesn't mean people aren't making assumptions. They may not hit 100% accuracy, but will certainly come a lot closer than 'yeah, the angel wanted to be repent for taking this totally innocuous fruit I stole, it was a complete non sequitur to me and the angel was just being weird.'

Ironically, an angel confronting OL about it seems like it would protect Paul against the actual sincerely devout religious, because it is a sign God decided to deal with this himself. Once that happens, going after Paul yourself for this can make it look like you don't approve of God's handling of the situation, and are stepping in to 'correct' his oversight. And if they do get involved, OL can even truthfully say that the angel thought he used the fruit to a Good purpose, the only problem was he took it without asking.

You keep ignoring all the points about A. There being nothing anyone outside of Themiscrya can do to impede him without him retaliating x100, and B. There's nothing they can legally do to personally attack him at all. He's not a citizen of anywhere but themiscrya, who, frankly, the US needs more than they need the US. There is no government on Earth that can touch him, legally or otherwise.
Ok, with this and other comments you are starting to get all kinds of ridiculous here. It is like you are a five year old and Paul is your father. You are getting into territory where if Paul did act like with a fraction of the extreme things you are suggesting, Paul would be both acting against his agedas (which may not even be possible for him), and putting himself on the 'to do' lists of the Guardians of the 'Universe' and the Justice League. For a really miniscule gain. The scenarios you propose are even more insane than those of the poster you are responding to by an order of magnitude.

I mean, your and @PeliusAnar's posts, taken together, read like a how to manual for how two sides could escalate Earth 16 straight into WW3, of everyone is an idiot. Except... Paul isn't one. He would be the one to blink first. Because in this OL vs the leaders of Absolutely All the Abrahamic Faiths and Nations, they may not have leverage against him personally, but they do have hostages to use against him. He sincerely want to make the world better. And some point along this path you have plotted for him, he has to decide what leads to the greater good for the greater number of people, him being able to positively influence the majority of the nations of the world to adopt policies he supports in the long term, or him being reduced to guiding singular nations to become the DC version of Latveria? A bright shining utopia for a small percentage of the world's population, while the rest of the world sees him as a cross between a serpentine tempter and a global economic destabilizer they want nothing to do with.

... look, I know this is DC and not Marvel, but the same rule of "friends don't let friends make the Hulk angry" applies.
I'm gonna admit it, I laughed.

Don't you dare fridge Fatty and Mr Tubbs and their siblings.
I had a problem with the 'Yeah, I lost all the Praxis Demons, oops!' line also.
For all the reasons already mentioned, and because it as Zoat going against the central theme of the story, what is there was a SI, who know about all the common superhero tropes, knew they were stupid, and didn't do that. The Praxis were a self replicating von-neumann horde. All you have to do to NOT lose them all if they run into something that can destroy them, is keep one or two in reserve to replenish the ranks. He added them, didn't like the implications of them being used intelligently, and did the 'oops, lost the power up' trope to revert the status quo. In a byline no less. It was a bit insulting to read actually.
 
Any guess on this detective's name? Or any identifying features?

As always with situations like this what we're seeing could be a distraction. Or a trap. So any information on who this detective could be in DC canon could be a clue.
 
We could actually be getting lucky, and the victims are those who are in league with the Reach.
I mean, at this point the reach would have to be insane to go anywhere near the Earth. Its way outside their territory, and It's the home planet of a founder of the biggest anti-Reach organization in existence. Not to mention, said founder is Agent Orange, acting conscious for the Ophidian, who's demonstrated the ability to casually move planets and control Qwa Energy.

If they even tried to go near the Earth the Reach would probably lose several planets within a few minutes. As in, completely lose.
 
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If it is time travelers and not a bunch of clones or something, then it's probably Legion era Earth Firsters. Despite the Legion's existence and the United Planets being a semi-utopia, there's a lot of racist, speciest nasties running around 30th and 31st Century Earth. Given we haven't seen a payoff yet for the Persuader showing up, and a few Legionnaires as well, I think it's fairly likely. Heck, Paul didn't even twig to it, despite running into Chameleon.
 
Considering that it was a group of Devil Jizz users who were killed, I'm wagering that the time traveller comes from a future where Earth loses to Hell and becomes overrun by demons. In that vein, calling anyone who consorts with Hell a traitor to their entire species is completely correct.
 
Ok, I know emotions may rising and hearts worn on sleeves, but this is getting into hyperbole. Humans are really, really good at making connections and finding the pattern. So good in fact that the usual problem is finding patterns that aren't there (faces in clouds and on mars) or connections that are interesting, but ultimately untrue (conspiracy theories), not missing an elementary 'this plus this implied that' deduction.

Anyone who thinks about it for two seconds is going to come to the conclusion that the fruit and angel was sent down from heaven to make OL repent stealing has is connected to the divine, and probably one of those special fruits originating in the Garden of Eden mentioned in the bible. I mean the logic train is so freaking short it might as well be one of those short busses ridden by disabled children. Step one, angels don't appear much anymore. And when they did, it was for religious shit of import, like 'See this cute little baby in a manger I am flapping my wings around? Yeah, he's important' or 'Congratulations, you've been chosen to spread the word of God.' Even if this was exactly what OL was implying, that he took some random unimportant apple off a street vendors stand in between Heroing gigs, I don't think hardly anyone would actually believe it, because it goes against their impulse to find a connection between the two events, and because it doesn't fit the pattern they have for Angelic visitations.

And if you want to know why God would care about a fruit, well he has a book out. Maybe check it out and see it if has anything about fruit god? I mean even if you don't like reading because 'words words words, ugh' it is right there in the beginning. Now maybe OL could have stolen some New Testament fruit, which you never learned about because you never got that far into the book, but first chapter fruit? That is some scholarship even the most 'everything I need to know about my religion, I learned from a bored housewife in sunday school as a child' type of christian has access to.

That leads you to a few likely culprits. The Fruit of Knowledge of Good & Evil, the Fruit of Life, or some other fruit with special properties from the Garden that was never mentioned by name, and useful in making an Anti-Demon weapon . Perhaps there was a Fruit of Purity or Cleanliness? Just because the interviewer didn't ask the question out loud doesn't mean people aren't making assumptions. They may not hit 100% accuracy, but will certainly come a lot closer than 'yeah, the angel wanted to be repent for taking this totally innocuous fruit I stole, it was a complete non sequitur to me and the angel was just being weird.'

Ironically, an angel confronting OL about it seems like it would protect Paul against the actual sincerely devout religious, because it is a sign God decided to deal with this himself. Once that happens, going after Paul yourself for this can make it look like you don't approve of God's handling of the situation, and are stepping in to 'correct' his oversight. And if they do get involved, OL can even truthfully say that the angel thought he used the fruit to a Good purpose, the only problem was he took it without asking.
What I was responding to here, was Pelius saying;
PeliusAnar said:
It doesn't matter now if the lawsuits have no merit, his public appearance of squeaky clean has been heavily tarnished. He admitted to a crime on television.
No, what he admitted to was stealing an apple. For something to be a crime, it has to be in a jurisdiction where there's a law against it. Something is stealing whether or not there's a law against it, but that doesn't always make it a crime. Now, yes, being Malum En Se, theft is generally one of those things that all countries have laws against. However, in the western world, the theft of something that costs less than a dollar, is generally not followed up on unless there's a hell of a slow day, or it's the US and the person is black. It is not something that would tarnish his reputation, and it's certainly not something that would tarnish his reputation of being the man who helped save the worlds children, fought a titan, killed 'Satan', and made New York a cake.

It doesn't matter if people could link it to the Apple of Knowledge. They generally wouldn't.

I mean, at this point the reach would have to be insane to go anywhere near the Earth. Its way outside their territory, and It's the home planet of a founder of the biggest anti-Reach organization in existence. Not to mention, said founder is Agent Orange, acting conscious for the Ophidian, who's demonstrated the ability to casually move planets and control Qwa Energy.

If they even tried to go near the Earth the Reach would probably lose several planets within a few minutes. As in, completely lose.
It's suspected that they could already be here. They might not be, but could be. Also, these are time travelers, and not all time travelers come from a period of history where OL has been a part of their history. So, they could be responding to events that might not come to pass anymore. In the same way that if we had time travel, some people might try to kill Hitler, or those who collaborated with him, thus preventing shit.

But what I said was more of an out there guess, rather than anything.. serious.
 
Were the party-goers the ones using the demon jizz?

If so it kinda looks like whoever did this did so as an attack on the forces of hell. Or the closest they could find at any rate. Specifically it looks like whoever did this did so because they feel those who use the demon jizz have betrayed their humanity. Possibly spurred on by the whole angel business from before, but the futuristic DNA and weaponry kinda confuses things.

Did Zoat completely drop that earlier plotline with the time travelers when he re-wrote those entries, or is this him introducing it in a different way?
 
You're gonna need to provide some citation on that one, because I don't see any reason why Drox would care about political structures that don't span at least one planet. His goals primarily seem to be solidifying his authority in the OLC (hence sending Paul home) and dealing with the Reach, neither of which have anything to do with a small president of a small country on a small world, especially since said president won't even be in power after a decade. Now, I'm not an expert on Drox, so maybe I'm missing something, but as far as I'm able to tell, Drox would only care about Earth politics if they somehow affected the war against the Reach.

I'm not a LEGION expert by any means, but generally Dox didn't go where he wasn't wanted. If a planet didn't want LEGION protection, it didn't get LEGION protection.

While the Controllers certainly wouldn't care about the consent of those protected and served, since their foreign policy is based on mind control and genocide, Dox has a bit more respect for free will.

How much of that courtesy he'd extend to a leader of part of a world, I don't know.

Aww, really? Because the combination seems rather...overpowered. Blockbuster isn't quite Danner, but Renegade was able to casually punch through a tree.

You're underestimating the blockbuster formula there. Blockbuster is stronger than Superboy, that's made obvious by the fact that Blockbuster was shown fighting Superboy and Kaldur at the same time, and Superboy and Miss Martian in YJ. He lost that first fight by having a roof collapsed over him, and lost the second from friendly fire with Apokaliptic weaponry. If he was just Superboy's equal, they wouldn't need to both outnumber him and cheat to defeat him.

Could this be the Sheeda? The future "humans" who basically become the Fair Folk?

Doubtful. The Sheeda are part arachnid genetically. In the comics it's never made clear whether they are very modified descendents of humanity, or the successors of humanity evolved from bugs.

I figure bug people DNA would have been noticed by Paul.
 
What I was responding to here, was Pelius saying;

No, what he admitted to was stealing an apple. For something to be a crime, it has to be in a jurisdiction where there's a law against it. Something is stealing whether or not there's a law against it, but that doesn't make it a crime. Now, yes, being Malum En Se, theft is generally one of those things that all countries have laws against. However, in the western world, the theft of something that costs less than a dollar, is generally not followed up on unless there's a hell of a slow day, or it's the US and the person is black. It is not something that would tarnish his reputation, and it's certainly not something that would tarnish his reputation of being the man who helped save the worlds children, fought a titan, killed 'Satan', and made New York a cake.

It doesn't matter if people could link it to the Apple of Knowledge. They generally wouldn't.
On top of that, not to contradict you, but theft isn't literally Malum En Se. Pretty much all countries prosecute it, but there are definitely situations where theft (taking something from someone else without their permission) is right. Many of those aren't referred to as theft (police siezing property for instance), but aside from those there are definitely situations where theft is morally ambiguous or good; remember that scene from Aladdin, where he steals a fruit and then gives it to a orphan? Things like that.

So, a world-renowned superhero saying "I stole a pomegranate" probably isn't going to turn heads. If they make the connection to the Garden of Eden then yes, maybe, but otherwise the reaction of basically any reasonable person is probably going to be "He stole a fruit? Wait, isn't this the guy that killed Satan? Eh, whatever, it was probably for a good reason."

Also, a thing to remember: This is DC, there are a fuckton of people running around with silly costumes. If people were really focused on OL then they might pay a bit more attention to what he's doing, but in DC "Earth gets invaded by aliens every other week" Entertainment its just another case of "Which crazy guy wearing his underwear on the outside is on TV today?".
 
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