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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Maxx Crowley said:
So, cite these enemies from the story please? Enough of your making shit up and declaring it the bedrocked truth. Only two things matter, DC canon, and most importantly Word of Zoat. Zoat is the literary God here...and if he didn't write it, or say it in a post, then it DOESN'T EXIST. So...cite these VERY BIG enemies from the business world, in the story, or shut the fuck up about it.
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Please note, "very big" must be a statement that could be made on the scale of the Vega Systems. Paul's kind of beyond any individual planet's ability to reasonably threaten. He can be punished, functionally, only to the degree that he still gives enough of a shit to play along. Also:

uju32 said:
Mother of Mercy
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SirKaid said:
The United States have literally no leverage.
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Thank you both for summarizing why the rest of Pelius's argument is horseshit.
 
parnary said:
He said he stole some fruit and an angel bitched at him for it,
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It is implausible that nobody goes "Stealing fruit and something something annoyed angel. Waaaaitaminute! Don't I remember something like that from sunday school?" Its possible that they are few enough to be dismissed as kooks and conspiracy theorists, however.

"Pineapplegate!"
"Dumbass! The Garden of Eden was a metaphor!"
 
Pinklestia said:
In al cases it was Paul own fault. One because he used the cat as a sacrifice and the other became he ignored his girlfriend when she said "Please stop resurrecting people."
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Wrong on both counts.
He had no way of knowing that Teekl would cease to exist after the spell. Considering he was studying Order, Chaos, and their Lords obsessively, you can't fault him for not expecting it. In fact, even if he considered it, it would be a reasonable expectation that her status as an assimilation should've protected her.
Jade in fact told him that he didn't need to stop. It was only after the Hell incident she told him to stop - and he listened.
Mr Zoat said:
"Do you want me to.. stop resurrecting people? Because we haven't got to the innocent people yet and I'd-."
"No. No, worth doing, but… It isn't going to fix things for me."
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Mr Zoat said:
I nod, then wave my right hand in the direction of the Lazarus Pit. "So..? Should we just..? Get him out, or-?"
"No. I'm not saying 'don't finish', just… Bringing them back from the dead isn't what I needed."
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Oh there was recently a discussion about Atantlean religion, I read Tempest, in which the writer made claims about Atlantean religion.

However, I can only assume that if the writer had an editor, that the writer shared all the drugs with him, because the claims were a godawful mess.

Bad guy kidnapped Poseidon and Neptune because they are the "patrons of Atlantis." So the comic claims the Atlanteans worship both the Greek and Roman gods, uhuh. A problem with this double kidnapping? Poseidon and Neptune merged back together five years ago by this point, so they are the exact same person.

So the comic starts with someone getting kidnapped twice at the same time. Uh huh.

But then the writer has Garth name drop the Dark Gods of Atlantis, who are connected to the Atlantean worship of the elemental trio, which was established to have been the Atlantean religion for at least the last 45 thousand years 6 years ago in 1990. The elemental trio were worshipped before Atlantis fell beneath the waves, you see. Oooookay.

But then Garth's new girlfriend, the Mershark from the Indian ocean, name drops the Vedic gods at every opportunity, which of course really really implies that the mersharks picked up the worship of the Vedic gods sometime during their stay in the Indian ocean.


Who I didn't know about before, so if Tula dies in this story maybe the Indian Mershark can show up. She's funny, despite obviously being in love with Garth, she's exactly as warm and cuddly as you'd expect someone who is half shark. Saying things along the lines of "That is not Tula, idiot. Tula is dead, which makes it pretty damn obvious that's not Tula!" or "You hurt him, Imposter Tula, you're so much chum."

Then it turns out the bad guy plans on turning all atlanteans into his undead slaves, killing Poseidon and Neptune because they'd be starved of worshippers. Because the Amazons don't count for some reason. I can only assume because girls have cooties.

So a comic did establish that the Atlanteans worship Neptune. But it also established that the Atlanteans worship Poseidon, the Atlantean pantheon, and the Vedic pantheon, because of the involvement of strong hallucinogens one would assume.
 
Coda said:
I gotta be honest. I didn't expect this particular argument to have gone on for so long.
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I know right? And no one is even being wrong in an entertaining/interesting way.
uju32 said:
And you seriously think that any of the politicians and corporate businessmen you are mentioning, people with a regard for their own self-interest and those of their constituents, want any conflict with someone who, on live television, plausibly claimed responsibility for a power-ring armed mobile planet making an interstellar housecall to literally terraform another planet?
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This actually is something that various governments would be upset about. Spinning the moon and getting rid of Jupiter's Red Spot (by far the biggest thing that anyone in the story has done so far, but nobody seems to remember?) were done when he wasn't in his right mind. Having a sentient, mobile planet come in to do something is like having a nuclear propelled spacecraft in orbit for exploratory reasons. Sure, it may be for humanitarian reasons, but it's rather threatening if they ever decide to not be so humanitarian.
 
PeliusAnar said:
Did you report to the UN on what you would be doing since they hold the mandate of the Justice League? If you aren't a member of the League who are you accountable to?
You admitted to theft, from God. What did you steal exactly?
There has been a lot of violence and disruption caused by your actions even if it is unintended. You seem to ignore the consequences of what you do, like moving the moon, making eyes, and creating a giant cake. You have been personally named personally in 27 lawsuits ranging from intimidation, terrorism, and being the devil, how do you plan to respond?
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a) no he doesn't, just like the hundreds of other costumed heroes not part of the Justice League (Like Icon before he was inducted into the League). Paul is accountable to Queen Hipoolyta(sp?), and the Controllers/OLC high command.

PeliusAnar said:
There are riots. People take their religion seriously. A number of judges use faith as a foundation for basic moral principles. There would be religious judges who would be inclined to allow a lawsuit. There would be activist judges who are concerned about an out of control super person.
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:facepalm:There are riots over Sports games. And when that happens, they don't take legal action against the Teams whose victory/loss trigger the riots, they just charge the idiots who rioted.

Crimson Doom said:
Or he could just fuck off to, I dunno, China or someplace where they don't care about him not caring about God, give them his uplift efforts, and let capitalism and greed do the rest, because there is no possible way that things like this could alienate the entire planet, and no possible way that the U.S. and others would ignore the fact that because of their stupidity, all the best tech is going to another nation.
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Or Not-Korea (where he protected a peace conference and listened to K-Pop), Vietnam (Orange Light used to clean up environmental damage), or Russia, or England, or Khandac(sp? Mighty Adom's place) (where he's a national hero)

PeliusAnar said:
But Wonder Woman can be evicted. War could be declared on Themiscrya. Unlikely but it is possible. That is leverage.
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:jackiechan::facepalm: Oh yeah, I'd like to see the USA try to invade Themiscrya. Between the Greek Gods, the Amazons themselves and Paul himself (and quite possible Kon, Troia, and Wonder Woman) the invasion force wouldn't even make it to the beach. Remember, the world has seen Paul fight a war, and the US army isn't up to Apokalypian tech standards. And the Justice League isn't going to fight for the US Army, they are disaster relief/law enforcement, not soldiers.

SirKaid said:
or Canada (who don't give a shit about American laws and would goddamn adore any possible means of one upping their arrogant neighbours)
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But we'd try to be humble about it. Or at least say we're sorry. :p:lol

In general I'd like to add 2 things: 1 video and 1 quote


"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
 
Hey @Mr Zoat , I know you're not going to come down on the discussion one way or the other, you have a pretty clear track record in that regard.

I do have to ask though, I'm sure there's a lot of dissociation going on between you and the SI, but is it weird having a bunch of Internet strangers arguing over whether or not a fictional version of you should be banished from the planet for taking a fruit?

What's that like?
 
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The_Letter_K said:
Hey @Mr Zoat , I know you're not going to come down on the discussion one way or the other, you have a pretty clear track record in that regard.

I do have to ask though, I'm sure there's a lot of dissociation going on between you and the SI, but is it weird having a bunch of Internet strangers arguing over whether or not a fictional version of you should be banished from the planet for taking a fruit?

What's that like?
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There's a reason why I refer to the SI as 'the SI' in my posts. I sometimes get a bit confused as to whether people are talking about me or him.

The nature of these forums makes it hard for me to know the exact balance of opinion. I certainly have no objection to people not liking the behaviour of one character or another.

Exactly what the Silver City is playing at will be a part of a later episode. The SI ends up paying a fine of £2.19 for the pomegranate under the 'eye for an eye' doctrine which prohibits compensation for an injury being greater than the value of the injury.
 
I can't speak for my fellow Canucks, but if I were in WTR Canada, I'd be a tad miffed at OL for the ice caps issue. Global Warming would defrost this place, and I could get some great Beach front property, work on my tan...and you know NOT Still be shoveling snow in April. :anger::anger::anger:
 
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