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Mr Mannheim was not unduly troubled.
Keyword being "unduly", of course.

Methinks he's still plenty troubled... or at least aggravated.
Whale just moved to Freeland.
Funny.

Though unless Dr. Linda Martin is psychiatrist to Lucifer Morningstar, and Barry Allen has a friend named Cisco Ramon who named the majority of his rogues, I don't think WTR Tobias is a physically fit black albino who got the gift longevity thanks to some super-serum.
 
So, thinking more about what could have survived Krypton's destruction and how it/they could have done so:
1) They had STL ships, according to Kara. Those could be loaded either with suspended animation people, with embrios and exo-wombs, with digitized minds or with cultural artifacts.

2) They had Phantom Zone projectors. At least some people could escape into the Phantom Zone.

3) They had at least some knowledge of magic, there existences Kryptonian hell and, I assume, other kryptonian subtle realms. Maybe some people escaped there.

Hmm, who is the god in charge of kryptonian afterlife? And what religion is Kara a follower of? Because it occurs to me that, as the last Kryptonian of the house of El (Kal-El isn't kryptonian culturally enough, I think), she could probably petition Rao (gods aren't demons, they don't need worshippers or souls to power them, and Rao, as the sun god should still be alive) for a mass resurrection. And it would be very nice, in a symmetric way, that Grayven, the self-styled and self-made god resurrects kryptonians through purely materialistic means, while Paul, who is far less divinity oriented, arranges for a divine miracle of resurrection. All it would require is probably Kara / OL building a shrine to Rao / unearthing whatever holy relics survived the destruction of Krypton, and making some sacrifices.

2 Similarly the Ghost AI of Jor-El tried playing with portals, he failed, but there is an extradimensional city called Infinite City that has portals that kidnap people from all over the place, to a city with advanced technology and magic where Kryptonese is the official language, where the AI of Jor-El runs the place, with his clone son Kal-El, aka the Warden, in the comics.

Rao isn't just the sun god, he's the creator of the kryptonian people and supposedly the universe according to Kryptonian mythology. He got upgraded over the years ala Ra.

The only god of death I'm aware of is Cythonna, the Kryptonian goddess of ice, fear, darkness, and death, who was banished by Rao and his children to the void between existinces, where the unforgiving dead go to her, that is until her banishment ended after Krypton's destruction.

Ironically, Cythonna made the Kryptonians athiests, she cooled their spirituality, although if that was universally effective depends on the iteration.

In the New Krypton storyline the priesthood was still quite the political power, for example.

Ahriman, admittedly not the most reliable source, claimed that Rao abandoned Krypton and colonized Earth, fathering the gods of Earth. When Superman asked if he had been telling the truth the godly UN, consisting of ZOAT- Zeus, Odin, Ale, and Toth, he got a very angry answer.

If Rao did abandon his planet, he might have taken an entourage.....
 
It's an interesting character trait that Paul so often tries to make a point by quoting a piece of mediocre pop culture ephemera, but sometimes I wish it was more apparent that it makes other characters think less of him for doing so.

DEFENDERS: Briefvoice, why would it make characters think less of him? Don't be stupid! Are you prejudiced against people using references from popular media or something?

BRIEFVOICE: The reason it should make characters think less of him is that it shows a paucity of awareness/experience with real world situations and history. When you have to quote a television program to talk about something, it indicates you don't really have any experience with it/haven't considered it in a context as it might apply to the real world and are having to fall back on fictional examples.

Still remembering that one time he tried to use Avatar the Last Airbender as a morality reference in a conversation with Luthor, and my eyes never rolled so far back.

Yeah, it makes the SI look very geeky and can/should make (some) people cringe, but:
1) Those, who don't know SI's true age, expect him to lack that much life experience anyway.
2) Even people considered to be wise can have a habit of using convenient examples from mythology, religion, legends and classical works. Ultimately, pop culture is simply less prestigious equivalent of that.
 
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I will be massively disappointed in the so far sensible progression of the storyline if once in orbit the moon base doesn't ping that buried sunstone battleship in Texas.
"buried in"

You fool!

Texas is a Sunstone Stateship!

Why do you think that it's called "The Lone Star State"?

The whole of Texas is just a huge ship Steven F. Austin(secretly the Kryptonian Al-Amo) terraformed in order to protect it from the Science Council's Common Sense Spaceship Control Legislation.

It's why Texas is the best State of the whole Union.
 
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Both, really. Just about the only thing we know about him is that he was massively pissed off with the science council due to their isolationism. So putting it where they couldn't find it makes sense to me. What other reason do you think is more likely?
But if that was the case don't you think Zod would have reactivated it during one of his attempted takeovers?

Taking that into account more likely to me would be either a part of his command staff mutinying after he was taken in or someone on the science council being sneaky and hiding away the warship by remote just in case.
 
"It's still not safe. It could kill them if they swallowed it or breathed it in, and a kryptonite laser or plasma weapon would still be fairly lethal."
I don't see how a kryptonite plasma weapon makes sense. Plasma is an ionized gas, and gases can't have crsytal structures. Unless kryponite is actually a molecule instead of an ionic compound, krptonite plasma would be just as dangerous as any other type. And if it is a molecule, I don't see how it would remain as one when it's superheated like that.
"Yes, and the League in general? I mean, I haven't wanted to pry, but I also don't want to give away anything I'm not supposed to."

I hear a quiet laugh from Kal-El. "I think what Orange Lantern's trying to ask is whether you know who I am when I put my glasses back on."

"Could be awkward if she didn't."

That gets a chuckle from Ms Lane as well. "Yes, I know about his amazing double life as a mild-mannered reporter."
I could have sworn that the SI knew that Lois knew Superman's identity. I'm gonna check the story only.
"I was thinking more along the lines of 'orbital battle fortress', actually. But I leave that up to the Kryptonian contingent."
Fuck yes, I've wanted the SI to do this since he came back to Earth.

Although I'm wondering what the plan is for it. Using an AI made by another species, especially when you have little ability to verify that it will behave how you want, is an odd choice for something to be used for orbital defense of your only planet. If the AI isn't going to be trusted, and we haven't seen much evidence of existing weapons or functional space sensors, I'm not seeing the motivation for using this particular moon for the orbital defense station. For research, yes, but not orbital defense.
Across the entire planet, it isn't. Out of all the times Lois has seen him hurt, it is.
That's a little confusing. Maybe change Superman's line from "It isn't common" to something like "It isn't much of a problem". Lois directly says here that Kryptonite isn't that hard to get, which really doesn't make sense if Superman is saying that it itsnt common. However, Superman is pretty experienced, and I imagine most of the time he can either avoid the kryptonite, remove it from the field in some way, or just finish the fight before he gets sufficiently depowered for it to matter.
 
I don't see how a kryptonite plasma weapon makes sense. Plasma is an ionized gas, and gases can't have crsytal structures. Unless kryponite is actually a molecule instead of an ionic compound, krptonite plasma would be just as dangerous as any other type. And if it is a molecule, I don't see how it would remain as one when it's superheated like that.

I could have sworn that the SI knew that Lois knew Superman's identity. I'm gonna check the story only.

Fuck yes, I've wanted the SI to do this since he came back to Earth.

Although I'm wondering what the plan is for it. Using an AI made by another species, especially when you have little ability to verify that it will behave how you want, is an odd choice for something to be used for orbital defense of your only planet. If the AI isn't going to be trusted, and we haven't seen much evidence of existing weapons or functional space sensors, I'm not seeing the motivation for using this particular moon for the orbital defense station. For research, yes, but not orbital defense.

That's a little confusing. Maybe change Superman's line from "It isn't common" to something like "It isn't much of a problem". Lois directly says here that Kryptonite isn't that hard to get, which really doesn't make sense if Superman is saying that it itsnt common. However, Superman is pretty experienced, and I imagine most of the time he can either avoid the kryptonite, remove it from the field in some way, or just finish the fight before he gets sufficiently depowered for it to matter.

Kryptonite is radioactive, emitting some sort of exotic radiation, so it basically has to be an isotope at the very least. Honestly, I would be inclined to say it's not normal matter at all, because whatever it's emitting isn't alpha or beta particles, or gamma rays. It (probably) can't emit something it doesn't have, so it's probably made up of additional exotic comic book particles in addition to protons, neutrons and electrons. How that works or what that looks like... who knows. But there's a bunch of extra element's sitting around in comic book land.
 
But if that was the case don't you think Zod would have reactivated it during one of his attempted takeovers?

Taking that into account more likely to me would be either a part of his command staff mutinying after he was taken in or someone on the science council being sneaky and hiding away the warship by remote just in case.
There are two people called 'Dru-Zod'. One was the Admiral of the Kryptonian Stellar Navy, the other was a General in the Self Defence Force. I think it was mentioned during one of Grayven's chats with Karsta Wor-Ul.

Here we go.

Admiral Dru-Zod sent his ship away after the science council took power and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.
 
Kryptonite is radioactive, emitting some sort of exotic radiation, so it basically has to be an isotope at the very least. Honestly, I would be inclined to say it's not normal matter at all, because whatever it's emitting isn't alpha or beta particles, or gamma rays. It (probably) can't emit something it doesn't have, so it's probably made up of additional exotic comic book particles in addition to protons, neutrons and electrons. How that works or what that looks like... who knows. But there's a bunch of extra element's sitting around in comic book land.
The way that I've gathered that Kryptonian solar charging works is that it is extremely selective to the exact nature of the bandwidths of light coming in. Something about the spectral lines of stars specifically makes Kryptonians stronger or weaker, because otherwise Superman could be depowered by a "red sun" through ordinary incandescent lightbulbs. Kryptonite releases some band of light, including some ionizing radiation that makes it carcinogenic to humans, that disrupts Kryptonian solar cells and causes them to die and also harm the host. Gold kryptonite apparently just kills said cells without otherwise harming the Kryptonian.

Well, that's the most sense I can make of what I'm fairly sure is something that the authors never really thought through in terms of science.
"Kryptonite isn't very common. Even on Earth, high-strength plasma weapons are more likely to be a threat to you. So… No, I don't think so. Why do you ask?"
Looking through the Converse for the encounter with the Kryptonian base, Kryptonite isn't common.
"If you-? Um…" Kryptonite tends to.. break down at extreme temperatures explosively, and you get a blast of radiation before it denatures
Also, Kryptonite isn't a protein for it to make any sense. It can't denature. Ionize, or something, but denature refers to proteins or other biological molecules.
 
I don't see how a kryptonite plasma weapon makes sense. Plasma is an ionized gas, and gases can't have crsytal structures. Unless kryponite is actually a molecule instead of an ionic compound, krptonite plasma would be just as dangerous as any other type. And if it is a molecule, I don't see how it would remain as one when it's superheated like that.
Let me enlighten you!
1) Plasma crystals are an actual thing. Essentially, when you seed plasma with dust, the dust particles will gather charge, and start to interact with each other in a way that is similar to how atoms in a crystal interact with each other. This can be used to simulate crystal behaviors and chemistry at macroscopic scales.

2) Complex molecules in in "cold" (non-fusion) plasma are actually not that rare. There's even a whole field of plasma chemistry that uses this to produce complex molecules that would be hard to obtain otherwise.

//Speaking of exotic chemistry. @Mr Zoat there's something that Dr Snart might be interested in: cryochemistry.

Also, plasma is not gas, it's plasma. The big difference is existence of collective behaviors, where plasma behaves as a whole, not as a number of separate particles. As it was taught to me: "think of solid bodies as caste society - everyone is where they appeared and no one can move anywhere; liquids are feudal kingdom - there's no far-reaching order, local movement is possible, but in general the volume remains the same; gases are pure capitalistic society - everyone is out for themselves, and everyone is free. Plasma, then, is communism - transcending pure capitalism where everyone is a part of the whole, influencing everyone else with their high energy. Thus, obviously, plasma is the best state of matter".

2 Similarly the Ghost AI of Jor-El tried playing with portals, he failed, but there is an extradimensional city called Infinite City that has portals that kidnap people from all over the place, to a city with advanced technology and magic where Kryptonese is the official language, where the AI of Jor-El runs the place, with his clone son Kal-El, aka the Warden, in the comics.

Rao isn't just the sun god, he's the creator of the kryptonian people and supposedly the universe according to Kryptonian mythology. He got upgraded over the years ala Ra.

The only god of death I'm aware of is Cythonna, the Kryptonian goddess of ice, fear, darkness, and death, who was banished by Rao and his children to the void between existinces, where the unforgiving dead go to her, that is until her banishment ended after Krypton's destruction.

Ironically, Cythonna made the Kryptonians athiests, she cooled their spirituality, although if that was universally effective depends on the iteration.

In the New Krypton storyline the priesthood was still quite the political power, for example.

Ahriman, admittedly not the most reliable source, claimed that Rao abandoned Krypton and colonized Earth, fathering the gods of Earth. When Superman asked if he had been telling the truth the godly UN, consisting of ZOAT- Zeus, Odin, Ale, and Toth, he got a very angry answer.

If Rao did abandon his planet, he might have taken an entourage.....
So, Rao might be a stand-in for the Presence, and Silver City frowns on resurrection. That's bad. Still, mass resurrection of a breeding population of Kryptonians would be a nice continuation of Paul's resurrection research.
 
Looking through the Converse for the encounter with the Kryptonian base, Kryptonite isn't common.
Yes. Lois is focusing on her experience, not a unbiased assessment of world kryptonite levels.
Also, Kryptonite isn't a protein for it to make any sense. It can't denature. Ionize, or something, but denature refers to proteins or other biological molecules.
Denature can just mean 'take away or alter the natural qualities of'.
Let me enlighten you!
1) Plasma crystals are an actual thing. Essentially, when you seed plasma with dust, the dust particles will gather charge, and start to interact with each other in a way that is similar to how atoms in a crystal interact with each other. This can be used to simulate crystal behaviors and chemistry at macroscopic scales.

2) Complex molecules in in "cold" (non-fusion) plasma are actually not that rare. There's even a whole field of plasma chemistry that uses this to produce complex molecules that would be hard to obtain otherwise.
WOOOOOOOOOO!
 
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The only god of death I'm aware of is Cythonna, the Kryptonian goddess of ice, fear, darkness, and death, who was banished by Rao and his children to the void between existinces,

Wow, reading through that link that's some major racist psuedo-justification vibes there. It reads like the "mythological" excuse a more primative society comes up with to justify a recent genocide.

Poor Cythonna and her ice babies.:sad:
 
Plasma crystals IN SPACE! (Russian experiments onboard of ISS):

The commentary is definitely sensationalist (and in Russian) and at least in parts VERY questionable (and at 4:00 they show how a DNA-like plasma crystal is created by cryogenically cooling plasma, which I haven't heard about, but could in principle be done, if they talk about neutral component...), but you can see some nice crystalline structures forming in plasma.

At the most basic it works like this: you drop dust into plasma. Dust particles get charged. Depending on their size, material, structure, etc, they get charged in a different way. Charged dust particles interact with each other through the medium of plasma itself (which has special magnetic and electric properties). At the most basic, they repel each other. Because the volume of plasma is limited, and, if you create a magnetic trap, they can't leave it, they self-organize into a crystal-like macroscopic structure. Then, manipulating them and the plasma with magnetic fields becomes possible.

In technobabble / sci-fi land that would be how I would organize a plasma-based lifeform.
 
The way that I've gathered that Kryptonian solar charging works is that it is extremely selective to the exact nature of the bandwidths of light coming in. Something about the spectral lines of stars specifically makes Kryptonians stronger or weaker, because otherwise Superman could be depowered by a "red sun" through ordinary incandescent lightbulbs. Kryptonite releases some band of light, including some ionizing radiation that makes it carcinogenic to humans, that disrupts Kryptonian solar cells and causes them to die and also harm the host. Gold kryptonite apparently just kills said cells without otherwise harming the Kryptonian.

Well, that's the most sense I can make of what I'm fairly sure is something that the authors never really thought through in terms of science.

Looking through the Converse for the encounter with the Kryptonian base, Kryptonite isn't common.

Also, Kryptonite isn't a protein for it to make any sense. It can't denature. Ionize, or something, but denature refers to proteins or other biological molecules.

Kryptonians have been known to adapt to Kryptonite as a power source. The prime Superman before his death and merging with New Earth Superman, Pre-Crisis Kryptonite Man, and all Kryptonians from Earth 3 ala Ultraman are all examples.

So yes it must release energy similar to sunlight, at least as far as kryptonian bodies are concerned.


That is how they are resurrected in DC 1 Million, the third Hour Man transported Krypton from before the explosion and brought it to the 865th century. Almost being the New God of Time has its perks, I guess. Metron asked him to become a New God, he decided to go back in time and date Snapper's ex-wife.

There's also Brainiac's Kandor City filled with kryptonians.

Sometime between now and the 30th century someone unshrinks them and they colonize a New Krypton kind of planet around a red sun. The Legion of superheroes tried to stick Supergirl on that planet, but they caved to the puppy dog eyes.
 
There are two people called 'Dru-Zod'. One was the Admiral of the Kryptonian Stellar Navy, the other was a General in the Self Defence Force. I think it was mentioned during one of Grayven's chats with Karsta Wor-Ul.

Here we go.

Admiral Dru-Zod sent his ship away after the science council took power and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.
Huh.

On a side note I think the page in that link is suffering shrinkage. :lol
 
I wonder whether Paragon would have offered Harold euthanasia? I doubt that he's morally opposed to it, but I'm not sure that he would offer it if it wasn't the outcome he wanted.

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I know Zoat has commented on it already, but not having a concise series of events like the usual plotted episode is really rough for this one. Trying to tie a series of unrelated events to some sort of theme is really jarring, because that's not one of this story's strong points. A nice experiment, I guess, but this one just fails really hard.
 
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