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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Cereal_Lurker said:
Also, I think it was mentioned that that N-th metal couldn't be held in subspace this way (it was in the comments so I didn't look for a quote). I was thinking about the space needed for the weapons since this fix was made... could a fix be that he only brought one N-th metal cutlass (which was passed to Komand'r, and he used the Sword of the Fallen? Perhaps flat out lying to her about it being N-th metal instead as its properties were similar enough for their purposes?
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I think it was also mentioned in comments that N-th metal on Thanagar is pieces of the corpses of old demons on Thanagar (might be misremembering that), so this fix might not even be that much of a lie?
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If I remember right, N-th metal and powerful arcane objects (sword, ace, etc.) can be stored in subspace, but take a lot of power to move to and from. Hence the equipment harness when expecting combat.
 
RichardWhereat said:
That's not Martial Arts, that's punchy kicky flippy, self defence for pacifists.

If you're facing a normie and you've got super strength, and are much faster, then the best martial art is using a full strength punch, to plaster the wall behind your ̶v̶i̶c̶t̶i̶m̶ opponent with their brains.
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Well of course, but I did specify non-lethal for that bit, if I didn't care about lethality then sure, brain-plaster away, it makes a lovely shade of mottled pink, red and grey with a slightly raised texture.
 
If you want non-lethal, then aim at their elbow. And then put a tourniquet on them, and a blanket around their shoulders for shock.
 
So wait, I'm getting my timelines crossed.

I know Gravyen mentioned that he could Danner or Garrick his Jade, but has Paul mentioned the same? Because he kind of skipped over that option here.

Also, damn Jade is boring. I really don't like her with Paul. I haven't really liked her since the renegade one dumped Grayven - she's too irrational for a Paul, I suspect.
 
I, too, was surprised that he didn't offer Danner/Garrick at least as an aside (perhaps indirectly alluded to as "augmentations" or something).

Overall, this went better than I expected. Paul has grown up quite a bit, and it's good to see him in a situation that's actually out of his depth for a change but still see him do his level best to deal with it.

I think this might be the first time in her life that Jade has felt out of her depth to this extent.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I might end up regretting asking, but 'who?'

Experimental attacks are something you do after the squishy people are somewhere safe.

Napalm is less hot that cold guns are cold, and some Demons were flat out ignoring those.

That last point is actually discussed in the next episode.

Nope. Herakles murdered them all himself when she tried to leave him, then paid enough bards to sing a different version that it stuck.

Jason Todd came back wrong after Superboy Prime punched the universe. The Pit actually fixed him.
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...what a DICK.
Heracules, I mean

Whoever it was who suggested he make limited contact with parallax actually May have a point, if his sensitivity to non-orange emotions is as numbed as I'm worrying it might be-
It's easy to blame the high casualty rate of the GLC on "poor training" ( though to be fair the lantern running basic seems to be perfectly compitant)or their rings being intentionally crippled in an environment where anyone attackimg them WILL be slinging lethal force,

But.. well.... the traditional recruitment criteria...
Fearless sentients...
I'm not even thinking the "no resistance to magically/artificially induced fear"thing , but simply because they had a predisposition towards recklessness, and their rings/green attunement weakened their attunement to the yellow even more, and they be likely to take more and more risks with planning/tactics over time, untill...
"Grayven" got himself anti-life'd when His impulsiveness came home to roost- if Paul keeps being this caviler as his first response to ... this kind of thing....

What I could see happening in the long term is consequences for OTHER people if OL can't keep himself in check-if this reminder to start listening to that little voice of self-doubt again doesn't stick...
The kind of thing you literally CANNONT fix, regardless of how much knowledge you have, or the power/assets at your disposal
if Satunus has, say, targeted one of the team/jade ONLY, warded the location they were being kept with their strongest defences and spent every moment it took Paul to find them torturing them with the aim of driving them irrecoverably insane, well....

That's how I/the charicter I fiddle around with in the occasional RGG would deal with a captured opponent if resurrection is available and they've mashed ALL of his beserk/brutal pragmatism buttons-no time crunch, stick them in a box with their limbs and teeth removed and 40-80 years of life support and eject them into deep space, or do things the messy way- resurrection isn't worth JACK if the person you're trying to save is either a drooling vegetable from trauma or irrecoverably psychotic....
Or just killed them in a way that obliterated their soul...
 
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Gantradies said:
resurrection isn't worth JACK if the person you're trying to save is either a drooling vegetable from trauma or irrecoverably psychotic....
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Eh... This is DC. Paul has thus far avoided messing with time travel, but it's still an option. Go back to before whoever was captured and save them then works around your "make resurrection pointless" plans. If he's sufficiently motivated, well... His ring is literally fueled by Want.
 
Jack Stargazer said:
So wait, I'm getting my timelines crossed.

I know Gravyen mentioned that he could Danner or Garrick his Jade, but has Paul mentioned the same? Because he kind of skipped over that option here.

Also, damn Jade is boring. I really don't like her with Paul. I haven't really liked her since the renegade one dumped Grayven - she's too irrational for a Paul, I suspect.
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Eh, her sister is dannered and they're close enough to go for a run every morning. I don't know if she realizes it without someone spelling it out though.
 
uju32 said:
There's supposed to be a Scarab still floating around on Earth.
Reverse-engineer the thing, and hand it over.
Implicate Order Annihilation will handle even demonic intervention.
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I'm not aware of any in character reason for the SI to give his girlfriend a mind control device made by the species he wants to go to war with. Yes, we know that it had its AI changed, but the SI can't confirm that with certainty, given the Reach know how to defend against Lantern scans. IIRC, Zoat has said that the SI is likely to destroy the the Blue Scarab as soon as he knows about it.

And we also know out of context that it isn't particularly hard for the Reach to reboot the scarab to make it return to normal. That's a liability as soon as the Reach get good information on the SI.
 
Kinda seems like the beginning of the end for the relationship with Jade, but honestly I cannot judge her too harshly, OL has a pretty fundamentally inhuman world view, plus she is only 20, which on whole is more casual dating territory then forever life partner.
 
kjyl said:
Kinda seems like the beginning of the end for the relationship with Jade, but honestly I cannot judge her too harshly, OL has a pretty fundamentally inhuman world view, plus she is only 20, which on whole is more casual dating territory then forever life partner.
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Maybe. Jade is getting to experience what OL is like up close. It's not quite what he was like from a distance so she's revaluating if it's worth pursuing romantically. I could see her going either way honestly. There are more cons than she could see, but the pros are still pretty hefty.
 
kjyl said:
Kinda seems like the beginning of the end for the relationship with Jade, but honestly I cannot judge her too harshly, OL has a pretty fundamentally inhuman world view, plus she is only 20, which on whole is more casual dating territory then forever life partner.
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And forever may well mean forever. Has OL shared his view that he's probably not susceptible to dying of old age anymore? Because that would be an issue, with the two big options being "also become immortal" or "eventually grow old and die while he remains young forever." It's a pretty heavy subject, if she starts thinking long-term relationship.

Clearly the best ship is OL/Spiderqueen. Fighting the Reach, or taking over hell? She has a fleet of ships she can lend as support. Biological enhancement? She would be totally on board. Immortality? Sure! And we already know they're "compatible." ;)
 
I'm just amused that Paragon is speedrunning screwing up this relationship relative to Renegade. Kinda guessed there'd be issues after him immediately jumping to high levels of Violet text and crazy protective after one night.

...honestly, he's acting weirder in that area than the person directly exposed to the Star Sapphire, which is kind of hilarious out of universe. It's a first relationship. He has no idea what he's doing, and first relationships don't tend to last even before you factor in the other issues. All those of you who want him to end up with someone else (which I... kinda am) may be glad if this crashes and burns it gave him the experience to not screw up the next one the same way.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
"That.. they could probably be used to make another Ace for.. when I have to fight Angels. And.. that the people he was looking after looked like they were starting to recover a bit, so that's… Still not the point." I take a.. slightly wary step towards her. She doesn't back away. "I tried to deal with the way you were feeling in a rational way rather than an empathic way. I can't.. exactly relate to how you feel, as the only person I felt guilty about killing got better-."
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That wasn't actually rational to a sane human, and the fact that Paul thinks it was is part of the problem. OTOH, it 's pretty stereotypical for a woman to discuss her feelings about something with her man, and the man to treat it as a problem to be solved, rather than her wanting sympathy, because that's the way each sex tends to deal with things like that, stereotypically.

Mr Zoat said:
She half-turns away. "I don't know how to deal with a guy who says he'll do anything for me and actually can."
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Yeah, that's got to be pretty damn jarring.
 
Honestly I would say this relationship was kind of doomed from the start given Paul has spent pretty much their whole time together more or less trying to change her into someone else.
 
Prince Charon said:
I don't think he sees it that way (which is a bit of a problem), and he'd be pretty disturbed by the suggestion (which isn't).
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OL's whole thing is enlightened self-interest. He's pretty much always been pushing people to be the best them they can be, while still being them. He can't quite get his head around someone willing to accept being less than they could be. And with his empathic ability, he can see when people are lying to themselves.

Jade is clinging to aspects of herself that she sees as essential, due to her rather screwed up life. He sees that as deliberately crippling herself, which it sort of is, but is her choice.

Does make the relationship a no go though.
 
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Prince Charon said:
That wasn't actually rational to a sane human, and the fact that Paul thinks it was is part of the problem.
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Oh? Which part of his/her goals does it work against?

"Rational" doesn't mean "comfortable" or "obvious". It's often the opposite. It's about acting in the way most likely to achieve your goals, as opposed to the many kinds of self-deception or outright self-sabotage we often engage in.

How is researching resurrection irrational ie counter to their goals?
 
Empiricist2 said:
... yeah, into someone who isn't an emotionally scarred hired killer who works for a ninja assassin cult.
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Except Jade stopped being a hired killer awhile ago.

Once that happened it really stopped being about helping Jade, and instead started being about making her into the type of person Paul wanted her to be.

Heck, other then her looks which he's commented on more then once, what does Paul even like about Jade outside of her filling his general desire for a girlfriend? o_O
 
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