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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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pucflek said:
With all this talk about Hell. Was there any talk about Lucifer and Michael? I mean, is Lucifer already away, or is he running shenanigans somewhere?
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There's been a mention or two.

Mr Zoat said:
"He.. beat.. Lucifer?"

"No, Lucifer left of his own accord about, um, thirty years ago? Threw everyone out and locked the gates behind him."

"The.. Plague of Ghosts? That was Lucifer leaving Hell?"

"Yes. Well, you understand I haven't been able to ask anyone directly involved, but as far as I know, yes. The whole.. mess.. only started to get sorted out when Duma and Remiel reopened it.
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Briefvoice said:
A reasonable working theory would be that part of the reason the Greek Gods have gone so quiet in the setting is that there are metaphysical constraints stopping them from messing with people who aren't their followers. (At least for the most part.)
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It takes effort and/or risk, but they can interfere with pretty much anyone they want. They just mostly don't.
Avernus said:
"about it"
"who are"
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Thank you, corrected.
SirKaid said:
As far as the Greeks being the only way to go, that's debatable. We know from those Viking zombies that the Norse gods are also real and that Valhalla is a real place, but we don't know specifically what's required to get there or how they treat their non-valiant dead. There are probably other religions that are also true, but we don't have enough evidence one way or the other to recommend them over the Hellenists.
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Not zombies. Wights, maybe. Or Deathless? Is there a special term for a Deathless Fighter?
RichardWhereat said:
No. It's a reference to something from the 90's. And fuck I'm old.
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The funny thing is, if Joey had said 'moot point' then he'd have been using it incorrectly where as 'moo point' makes sense.
 
Fun fact; they don't just take advantage of the whole deathless thing just for their warriors. They use it for food too. Thor has a pair of goats who pull his... I want to say cart? Chariot seems too Olympus-y to be the right word. He can them kill for food one night and by the next day they'll be up and ready to pull the cart again provided no one broke their bones the night before. There's also some sort of beast whose name I can never remember whose meat feeds all of the einherjar every night.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"What about… Artemis?"
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How about going Kahndaqi with Bastet, the Cat Godess, and considered the equivalent of Artemis.
Bast was originally a fierce lioness warrior goddess of the sun throughout most of ancient Egyptian history, but later she was changed into the cat goddess that is familiar today, becoming Bastet. Even later, Greeks occupying ancient Egypt toward the end of its civilization changed her into a goddess of the moon.
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the identity of Bastet slowly merged among the Greeks during their occupation of Egypt, who sometimes named her Ailuros (Greek for cat), thinking of Bastet as a version of Artemis, their own moon goddess.
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Briefvoice said:
But sure, you're the author so if you want to stack the deck that worshiping Hellenistic gods is absolutely advantageous and no other religion has anything of value, I guess you can make it true.
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You'll note that the author hasn't made his opinion about the subject known, the character has, and the character is a Hellenist. And how many converts to a religion are going to make strong cases for someone to join some other religion?

Also, he's literally met a number of the Hellenistic gods, and swapped spit with two of them. They're fairly personable. (Why does my phone correct gods to God's? Polytheistic religions do exist, phone.)
 
zhuull said:
Yes but that was overly simplistic pop-philosophy tripe and probably shouldn't be used as an example for trying to prove anything. Also the less said about the bullshit they did to Bane and Talia's origin in that atrocity of a movie the better.


It is perfectly possible to have despair without hope, the Endless aside I would have thought Darkseid made that painfully clear.
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Despair under Darkseid is limited. If you resign yourself to your fate, you are fine. Look at Grayven's mom. She had no despair left in her. Renegade is having to work her up to a sense of normalcy and independence because she lost hope of it long ago.
 
Mr Zoat said:
She looks at me for a moment. "You think I'm going to Hell."

"Twenty nine murders. I consider the chances unacceptably high. If you got hit by a car tomorrow I don't.. currently have the equipment I would need to fight all of Hell's Demons to get you out."
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Yeah, I can already see how this would go down:
  1. Jade gets hit by a car/bus/falling whale (look, Eris isn't a very NICE goddess sometimes and she can only stand so much until she has to step in).
  2. Paul IMMEDIATELY starts spinning up his "Let's go Fuck Up Hell!" plan.
  3. Jade reappears in a poof with a note smelling of brimstone that reads: "Dude... just have her back and keep a better eye on her. We don't have time to deal with your shit."
  4. ...profit?
 
LazySloth13 said:
I think it's sweet that Paul is willing to fight the entire force of Hell itself to save Jade's soul, that is some real dedication,
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Less sweet than you think, given he undoubtedly already is planning to fight the entire forces of hell at some point anyway. Given his displayed ethics, figuring out a way to nuke the place into oblivion and rescue the tormented souls would be pretty high up on his priority list. Just very difficult to implement
 
mastigos said:
Less sweet than you think, given he undoubtedly already is planning to fight the entire forces of hell at some point anyway. Given his displayed ethics, figuring out a way to nuke the place into oblivion and rescue the tormented souls would be pretty high up on his priority list. Just very difficult to implement
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Not that difficult, have you ever read the Salvation War?
 
Datcord said:
Yeah, I can already see how this would go down:
  1. Jade gets hit by a car/bus/falling whale (look, Eris isn't a very NICE goddess sometimes and she can only stand so much until she has to step in).
  2. Paul IMMEDIATELY starts spinning up his "Let's go Fuck Up Hell!" plan.
  3. Jade reappears in a poof with a note smelling of brimstone that reads: "Dude... just have her back and keep a better eye on her. We don't have time to deal with your shit."
  4. ...profit?
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I think step two wouldn't be going on a killing spree in hell but to go on a killing spree throughout Olympus.

I mean sure he likes Eris but OL will only allow so much shit from her.
 
parnary said:
Not that difficult, have you ever read the Salvation War?
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So Hell suddenly does not have freaking magics? And the demons gain a dire weakness to iron? While forgetting everything about the modern world? And everything that has been laid down in Demonology in this version of DC? :confused: Have I accidentally entered an alternative universe, where none of what I said applied?
 
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