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It may be true, but unfortunately a large part of the "less damage" result would be because most of humanity would die off fairly quickly in this situation.
As I noted, it's not viable, and it's something that the back to nature types try not to bring up - it would involve paring down humanity to maybe 1.5bn people. Which, naturally, is a wee bit of an obstacle.
 
Um, I can get his pissing contest over "who helped the Earth more", but why is Paul ignoring what she said about the guy being unsaveable? He went to her for information about it, and was told, he got eaten and absorbed twelve years ago, and Paul is choosing to ignore that because he doesn't want to admit he can't save him, and because attempting to save a decade-old dead guy is worth risking the Terror Thing breaking free (because there will certainly be more room for error if they are trying to extract someone who has been fuses with the creature for so long, rather than just containing it). This is like if they are having the climactic battle with Larfleeze, and Paul decided to try rescuing a couple of the assimilated Orange Constructs, rather than taking Larfleeze down hard, risking everything for relatively minimal gains. I mean, it is one thing if the plan is just "pull the dudes soul out and let him move on to whatever reward awaits", but it sounds like Paul is going to risk the monster escaping, and possibly absorbing him and his friends, on the off-chance that they can resurrect this dead guy who is almost certainly going to be brain-dead.
Let's be realistic here. No matter what happens, that monster is gonna break free. Even if it's because a fly happened to land on a stone and cause it to crumble from the sudden weight
 
Um, I can get his pissing contest over "who helped the Earth more", but why is Paul ignoring what she said about the guy being unsaveable? He went to her for information about it, and was told, he got eaten and absorbed twelve years ago, and Paul is choosing to ignore that because he doesn't want to admit he can't save him, and because attempting to save a decade-old dead guy is worth risking the Terror Thing breaking free (because there will certainly be more room for error if they are trying to extract someone who has been fuses with the creature for so long, rather than just containing it). This is like if they are having the climactic battle with Larfleeze, and Paul decided to try rescuing a couple of the assimilated Orange Constructs, rather than taking Larfleeze down hard, risking everything for relatively minimal gains. I mean, it is one thing if the plan is just "pull the dudes soul out and let him move on to whatever reward awaits", but it sounds like Paul is going to risk the monster escaping, and possibly absorbing him and his friends, on the off-chance that they can resurrect this dead guy who is almost certainly going to be brain-dead.
I'll admit, I stopped reading that halfway through the second sentence. I hear paragraphs are still a thing these days, but maybe they're a little too old-timey for you?

Basically, he went to her for information. He got information. He also got opinion. He doesn't value her judgement, because quite frankly her life choices are questionable, and her reaction to his appearance was completely and thoroughly ridiculous. He's glad to find out the name of the guy in the thing, but he's not going to assume he's unsavable until he's actually investigated. You know, like somebody who doesn't just take things at face value and accept unsubstantiated statements without evidence?
 
I'm hoping for terror thing assimilation. The thing's apparently alive enough for a ring, It's probably alive enough to get that yellow replaced with orange.

OL could use a heavy.
 
Huh. Why male druids, I wonder?
Might be redundant actually. Were there female druids?

wikipedia said:
Ronald Hutton argues that there is no historic evidence during the period when the druidic orders were flourishing to suggest that druids were other than male,[23]however there are several Irish words for female druids - such as bandrúi ("woman-druid") - found in manuscripts such as the Táin Bó Cúailnge.[24]
Apparently so, so I guess this is bias showing.

Paul has been unusually bitchy today, I wonder why.
Well, he's been thinking he might need help from Nabu, for a while now.

1) Fist name basis with Gaia.
I think that's Chuck Norris?
 
I'll admit, I stopped reading that halfway through the second sentence. I hear paragraphs are still a thing these days, but maybe they're a little too old-timey for you?

Basically, he went to her for information. He got information. He also got opinion. He doesn't value her judgement, because quite frankly her life choices are questionable, and her reaction to his appearance was completely and thoroughly ridiculous. He's glad to find out the name of the guy in the thing, but he's not going to assume he's unsavable until he's actually investigated. You know, like somebody who doesn't just take things at face value and accept unsubstantiated statements without evidence?
I get what you're saying about not respecting her opinion but isn't that a bit much? He's basically ignoring what someone who was there and had first hand experience with this thing twelve years ago saw because he doesn't like her life choices?
I mean I'm all for further investigation but who can he ask about this situation for confirmation besides maybe Constantine? And then are they really going to give him a different answer? The guy had been bunking with this thing for twelve years, does anybody honestly think that he's actually still "alive" there?
And if against all odds that he is still there and can be gotten out, then what? "Congratulations on being freed from a decade of torment, you can go die now. "
Also wasn't this guy part of a plot to control the people with this fear elemental?
 
She turns on me. "This is how people are supposed to live. Working together, knowing each other. In balance with the Earth."

"Yeah. I cleansed the sea of Human refuse. I refroze the North Pole. You did some gardening and smoked some weed." I shake my head. "I'll let you know how it goes. Ring, transition."

Well said Paul. All too often the 'back to nature' crowd end up in little more than self congratulatory masturbation and forget to actually achieve anything.
 
I get what you're saying about not respecting her opinion but isn't that a bit much? He's basically ignoring what someone who was there and had first hand experience with this thing twelve years ago saw because he doesn't like her life choices?
Because he doesn't trust her judgement. And there is plenty of evidence to suggest her judgement is pretty dismal.
I mean I'm all for further investigation but who can he ask about this situation for confirmation besides maybe Constantine? And then are they really going to give him a different answer? The guy had been bunking with this thing for twelve years, does anybody honestly think that he's actually still "alive" there?
I dunno, maybe the people referring to the other bloke still in there? He has a lot of arcane resources and competent advisors, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Sephtian consult soon.
And if against all odds that he is still there and can be gotten out, then what? "Congratulations on being freed from a decade of torment, you can go die now. "
Better dead than trapped in fear for eternity.
Also wasn't this guy part of a plot to control the people with this fear elemental?
Probably. As far as we know. But on the other hand we don't know very far because this was a Constantine job, and he did it with his usual flair for wrapping up all the loose ends and making sure nothing was going to come back and bite him in the arse. His usual flair, in this case, meaning more or less doing the exact opposite.
 
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I don't see it that way (Though I appreciate hearing your perspective).

Being a net positive is a rare thing. One could argue that scientific progress (And all the work that goes into maintaining a society where scientific progress can be made) indicates that all the work we do isn't meaningless, but I'd counter that humans still feel roughly as much emotional fulfilment now as we did a hundred years ago.

Personally? I'm a net negative. This isn't because I've done anything overly bad, because I haven't, but because I haven't made up for the resources I've consumed.

Edit: By this I don't mean I'm a slouch. I live a clean life and am successful in school. What I'm saying is that I don't believe my contributions will ever surpass the great amount of limited resources (Metals, natural gases, et cetera) I have consumed as a resident of a first world country.
It's actually rather easy to rectify that if you're in the mood. You just hop over to givewell.org, pick from the most efficient evidence-based charities that humanity has ever produced and slowly add money to the situation until you hit net positive. It's possible to calculate the exact amount of cash necessary to save a human life, and they've done most of the legwork already. Then you take your warm fuzzies and go home, secure in the knowledge that you've saved more lives than Steve from accounting.

Of course, this is just something to keep in mind for years later. If you do ever suddenly have a burning need to hit net positive. I'm not trying to guilt you or anything.
Paul has been unusually bitchy today, I wonder why.
Perhaps because he turned his testosterone back on?
 
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In a comic book metaphor: What would the world be like if EVERYONE was a superhero? Would being a superhero actually matter? Would you expect EVERYONE to take responsibility for cleaning up EVERYTHING? How would it even work?

On the planet Arnold, a junior CPA had come to the conclusion that Arnold would explode in eight hours. The junior CPA built a rocket ship to launch his infant son into deep space. No sooner had he done so, however, than he discovered that planet Arnold was not going to explode after all, leading his enraged wife to murder him. Twenty years later, the rocket carrying the now-grown baby ended up crashing into an Earth-like planet called Levram, populated entirely by super powered people. Because he had no superpowers of any kind, the locals dubbed him "Normalman".

That's the premise of Jim Valentino's Normalman comic. Normalman's (Real name Norm-L) adventures lead him to meet Captain Everything (the Hero with the power for every occasion), Sophisticated Lady (real name Soph-E, Norm's girlfriend), Nasty Girl (you really want to see her power), Sargent Fluffy, Agent of S.C.H.M.U.C.K., the Fanatical Four, and many many others.

And no, responsibility was not important to anyone. An excellent series, highly recommended.
 
I'll admit, I stopped reading that halfway through the second sentence. I hear paragraphs are still a thing these days, but maybe they're a little too old-timey for you?
Oh, sorry, my 3-in-the-morning posting wasn't the best grammatically. But good effort to try and make it into a burn.
Basically, he went to her for information. He got information. He also got opinion.
An opinion of someone who has vastly more experience with magic in general, and this case in particular, than Paul does. She also gave him the information that it is perfectly capable of escaping on its own if the stone circle got disrupted.
To me, it looks like Paul is discarding everything he heard from her because he doesn't like the answer.
He doesn't value her judgement, because quite frankly her life choices are questionable, and her reaction to his appearance was completely and thoroughly ridiculous.
Not really. Imagine if someone walked in to see you who was a completely black void, who appeared to be a hole cut out of three universe. Are you telling me you wouldn't freak out a little? Sure, she is reliant on magic as a sense, probably because it can give her a lot of information, much more accurately than her other flesh senses.
He's glad to find out the name of the guy in the thing, but he's not going to assume he's unsavable until he's actually investigated. You know, like somebody who doesn't just take things at face value and accept unsubstantiated statements without evidence?
It was substantiated, by her eyewitness account of the fact that he wasn't a separate entity after being assimilated over a decade ago. Her personal view on the proper way to live with nature doesn't invalidate her expertise with magic, or her ability to take what she knows about the "Terror Thing" and make a probably-accurate hypothesis.

If Paul does decide to save him, it should only be after some confirmation that there is something there to save. It should also be, at best, a tertiary goal, coming after A) keeping the creature contained, and B) keeping himself, his fellow heroes, and the townsfolk in Minions out of harm's way.
 
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He's been dragged on a fix one of Johns messes quest, has had to deal with a few friends dealing with magic infused panic attacks, all of this is getting in the way of getting one of his friends free from being enslaved and he just got screamed at by some woman who he needs help from. Who then got all snippy to him about the environment...

This is the guy who single handedly cleaned up the worlds oceans, refroze the Ice caps he does not need her self rightous crap right now.
Also, it could be that Zoat had a headache when he wrote it. I know when I'm in pain (like now) it tends to come through in my writing, unless I stop quickly.

90% certain you're right as far as in-universe goes, and I think it's in-character for Paul (sick burn, but she deserved it), but it's important to remember that outside factors do affect the author.
 
An opinion of someone who has vastly more experience with magic in general, and this case in particular, than Paul does. She also gave him the information that it is perfectly capable of escaping on its own if the stone circle got disrupted.
To me, it looks like Paul is discarding everything he heard from her because he doesn't like the answer.
The local Greenies also had vastly more experience than OL did at first with power rings. That doesn't mean that they were particularly creative with them or truly knowledgeable.

People can have perfectly good knowledge of a subject without necessarily making the best judgement calls based on that knowledge. Especially when that someone is a magic user who wants to help the environment or something and decides that gardening and smoking is the best way to do so. I mean seriously, at least Poison Ivy got her name out there.
 
I mean, it is one thing if the plan is just "pull the dudes soul out and let him move on to whatever reward awaits", but it sounds like Paul is going to risk the monster escaping, and possibly absorbing him and his friends, on the off-chance that they can resurrect this dead guy who is almost certainly going to be brain-dead.

Is "brain-dead" even a thing in a universe where there is an immortal soul independent of your brain that remembers your life?
 
An opinion of someone who has vastly more experience with magic in general, and this case in particular, than Paul does. She also gave him the information that it is perfectly capable of escaping on its own if the stone circle got disrupted.
To me, it looks like Paul is discarding everything he heard from her because he doesn't like the answer.
I didn't see anything suggesting OL was discarding everything she said. In fact, I seem to recall him thanking her for her information.
I nod. "Worth knowing, thank you."
You're making a lot of assumptions that don't seem to be supported by the text.

It was substantiated, by her eyewitness account of the fact that he wasn't a separate entity after being assimilated over a decade ago. Her personal view on the proper way to live with nature doesn't invalidate her expertise with magic, or her ability to take what she knows about the "Terror Thing" and make a probably-accurate hypothesis.
Sure, she has more experience with using magic than Paul does, and probably more experience with magical events in general. But she's also clearly lacking in a variety of magical areas - for instance, she has no training in Atlantean magic, whereas the only Atlantean mage to see the Terror Thing directly seemed to believe that Siskin was at least somewhat separated from the Terror Thing.

The fact that she has more experience than OL isn't the sticking point - the question is whether she has so much experience that he should simply accept her statements without looking into them with the formidable arcane resources he can bring to bear, specifically Atlantean magic users and even a Lord of Order. She's not on the level of either a Lord of Order or the knowledge and resources of literally thousands of years of an entire civilisation working towards understanding magic - I think you're the one making an unwarranted assumption about her abilities here, and about how OL should treat her opinion.

If Paul does decide to save him, it should only be after some confirmation that there is something there to save. It should also be, at best, a tertiary goal, coming after A) keeping the creature contained, and B) keeping himself, his fellow heroes, and the townsfolk in Minions out of harm's way.
Sure, but I can't see anything to the contrary in the chapter. He thanked her for the information, was somewhat dismissive of her claiming that it was impossible while also insulting her lifestyle, and then presumably went off to coordinate the investigation of those more competent in these matters. He didn't say "I'm going to save Siskin no matter what!", he just indicated that he wouldn't give up just because she did.
 
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If you disagree with the expert that the guy's dead, then either rebut with magical knowledge on his health, or drop a cheesy hero line about how you have to try. No need to bring up unrelated baggage you brought in with you about hippies, there was no provocation there. She even brought up a good point about how the enemy may trick him, but no response to that.

Looks like the thread has the same thing about hippies too. "Working together, knowing each other. In balance with the Earth" is a fine philosophy that's open to interpretation for everyone. It's not smokeweederryday. I think she sounds like a reasonable person, that also happens to associate with Constantine.
 
"Thinking like that is why you're living in a primitivist commune rather than doing anything useful with your life."

She turns on me. "This is how people are supposed to live. Working together, knowing each other. In balance with the Earth."

"Yeah. I cleansed the sea of Human refuse. I refroze the North Pole. You did some gardening and smoked some weed." I shake my head. "I'll let you know how it goes. Ring, transition."
Paul should have transitioned her to....(googles burn wards in scotland)

Edinburgh
Ward 3
Royal Hospital for Sick Children
9 Sciennes Road
Edinburgh
Scotland
EH9 1LF
...Edinburgh, because "Burn!"
 
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