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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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This guy's name is Konvikt and apparently he and to other villains maybe trying to gain godly powers and form an 'Anti-Trinity' or possibly another 'Injustice League'

Not a big surprise since the villains are less likely to turn down the opportunity to become more powerful compared to the heroes, since both Batman and Green Arrow turned down getting the Danner or Garrick formula, and if Harm can become Sabbac Three some other villains sponsored by the Light would volunteer to be able to fight on equal grounds with the League.

Maybe Paul worried since it might lead to Doomsday, since Mr Zoat mentioned earlier how he was going to introduce Doomsday by using the Genomorphs and where their genetic material originated from, or it could be used to foreshadow some other plots that have been set in motion since Paul left the planet.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Before, she could speak a little French and Italian in addition to English. Now she speaks both fluently, as well as Spanish and Latin."

"Latin? Odd choice."
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I took three years of Latin, and I wasn't aware that anyone knows how it was actually spoken. How to read it sure, but that's different from how a Roman would actually talk, similar to how English has weird pronunciations.
Mr Zoat said:
But I hope that you recognise that my daughter has made this choice by applying the approach which you taught her to other areas of her life."

Hooray for utilitarianism.
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It's a lot better than an impressionable young girl learning deontology or some other nonsense. Making an odd but still justifiable decision is better than leaving someone with actual power over people dying with an ethical framework that prioritizes not being responsible over saving lives.
fictionfan said:
Doomsday is not that much of a threat if you take him seriously and don't get into a slugging match with him.
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Having a convenient method of denying a super strong opponent leverage of any kind usually neutralizes them as a threat. Unless said opponent can literally swim through the air, but hopefully there aren't many people in Saitama's class.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
"It was the Frankish language of Europe for nearly two thousand years.
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As far as I know while Lingua Franca's literal meaning is Language of Franks, it's still it's own separate term now. While Frankish language is just language spoken by Franks and not scientific term (well, except for "Language spoken by Franks"). So Lingua Franca should be used here.
 
SirKaid said:
Threadmark needed.

Gotta love how Paul remains polite even in an "oh shit gotta go" moment.
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That keeps happening: I paste the threadmark in, post it, and then it vanishes!
StitchLips said:
On side note, Mr. Zoat, is Doomsday going to be a thing? Because reading him and Diana slugging it out would be pretty amazing
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No, because he's boring. He has no motive. He just destroys things. If I want a big strong character I'll pick one with actual objectives.
 
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I wonder how Mr Zatara feels about Alan compared to the green lanterns he has worked with in the past. Did he admire him? Could Alan become a colleague that he is comfortable with as Paul is with Guy Gardner? Is he going to try to turn Alan into Zatanna's mentor as she pushes the limits of the sapphire?

Mr Zatara really needs a friend. Even Batman tends to find a heroic colleague he can be honest with on top of being able to trust Alfred. Mr Zatara is lonely and scarred. I hope he isn't suppressing old pains during this break. If he is being wound tighter than a spring then I fear him having a psychotic break. I think that version of Alan Scott that looks like a green knight went on a similar villainous streak for a while.
 
Empiricist2 said:
I took three years of Latin, and I wasn't aware that anyone knows how it was actually spoken.
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Known, no. But there's a surprising amount that can be gotten from how we know languages change in general, comparison with its descendants, and even what's considered to rhyme in poetry.

Though, of course, Latin undoubtedly had different pronunciations in different times and places.
 
Languages change over time, sometimes diverging to become dialects and eventually new languages. The way Latin was pronounced changed over the centuries (even when it was still just 'Latin'), so someone speaking it in 200 BCE would probably be pretty incomprehensible to someone speaking it in 200 CE, like Chaucerian or even just Shakespearean English would be to a modern audience.

Writing systems are conservative, however, and fossilize that kind of thing. It's why English orthography is so horrifying, it's about 500-600 years out of date.

Using that, plus linguistic reconstruction through comparative methods between languages descended from Latin (the Romance language family) gives us a pretty good guess at how Proto-Romance (~Latin) would have been spoken at one time or another.

But yeah, that bit about "Frankish" is weird, just use lingua Franca.

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ninjad but i spent too much time on this

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I don't comment positively enough so let me say I enjoy this story, good job.
 
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Regarding the time period and regions Giovanni references though, she probably actually speaks Church Latin, which is to my knowledge the same in writing, but has some well-known differences in pronounciation from classical Latin, for example the use of soft C.
 
Simon Buchan said:
Regarding the time period and regions Giovanni references though, she probably actually speaks Church Latin, which is to my knowledge the same in writing, but has some well-known differences in pronounciation from classical Latin, for example the use of soft C.
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The Amazons teach Latin more or less as it was spoken when they left the mainland. The Genomorphs could well have taught her the pronunciation from that period.
 
Mr Zoat said:
The Amazons teach Latin more or less as it was spoken when they left the mainland. The Genomorphs could well have taught her the pronunciation from that period.
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Given how languages evolve over time (whether spoken or unspoken) that seems unlikely. Unless the goddesses blessing includes greatly enhanced recall?
 
Mr Zoat said:
The Amazons teach Latin more or less as it was spoken when they left the mainland. The Genomorphs could well have taught her the pronunciation from that period.
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I tried to look up when Themyscira was founded, and my brain immediately started dribbling out my eyes, but I did see "Their city is composed entirely of Greco-Roman architecture from 1200 BCE", which is pretty silly as the earliest estimation of the founding of Rome is 814 BCE, and Classical Greece not much later - though they could be referring to Mycenaean Greece there's not much similarity in style.
So best to handwave that as nonsense and put the founding of Themyscira somewhere like late Roman Empire, early Roman Republic (Jesus +/- a few hundred years)
(Everyone looks like a historian if they can Google)
 
Well, I kinda doubt that the goddesses wouldn't bless them with immortality and not give them great recall as well. Remember that many of these people still greatly feel the humiliation Herakles forced upon them. That shit would have faded with time otherwise.
 
Avernus said:
How do you think Sinestro feels?

Sinestro: "Thanks, mother. Were the names Luuser and Stoopid already taken?"
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to be fair, it's his surname. And I assure you, in Italian is even funnier/lamer.


Simon Buchan said:
I tried to look up when Themyscira was founded, and my brain immediately started dribbling out my eyes, but I did see "Their city is composed entirely of Greco-Roman architecture from 1200 BCE", which is pretty silly as the earliest estimation of the founding of Rome is 814 BCE, and Classical Greece not much later - though they could be referring to Mycenaean Greece there's not much similarity in style.
So best to handwave that as nonsense and put the founding of Themyscira somewhere like late Roman Empire, early Roman Republic (Jesus +/- a few hundred years)
(Everyone looks like a historian if they can Google)
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Zoat said they didn't completely cut contact until much later (start of IV century CE, I believe?)
 
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shepsquared said:
Given how languages evolve over time (whether spoken or unspoken) that seems unlikely. Unless the goddesses blessing includes greatly enhanced recall?
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I mean...they're still the same people.

Not of a lot of room for linguistic drift when everyone is the same. The community is also extremely insular, which means that there's no place for subcultures to develop.
 
Silverias said:
I mean...they're still the same people.

Not of a lot of room for linguistic drift when everyone is the same. The community is also extremely insular, which means that there's no place for subcultures to develop.
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But they don't use it day to day. They speak Greek. Something has to happen hear unless they have enhanced recall that lets them maintain conversational levels of fluency.
 
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