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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Considering the Amazons are the last major hold out of people that believe in the Greek Pantheon I think the Greek Gods would think twice thrice quatrice about doing anything to them.

Also if Zeus/Apollo does anything well finally see what the Sword of the Fallen does to a God. Or Paulphidian will get a snack.

Edit: Wonder if Alan and Adara will ever meet?

Themyscira also now has all the Demigods from when Herk raped all those Amazons. We haven't seen any Gods go all out in this story but I thought it was fairly easy (on the DC power scale) for sufficiently powerful mortals to beat them. There;s no "I'm a god be blown away by my holy might just because" in this so far.

Are they strong, especially in there own fields of influence? Yes. Truly unstoppable? No.
 
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Maxx Crowley said:
I was also talking the trouble Apollo could make for either OL himself or the Amazons. Like say...talking Herakles into giving the Amazon's another good beating for instance.
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OL was pretty sure he could serious injure or kill Apollo with enough mageslayers; he refrained because he'd been told not to attack the Olympians, not because he thought he couldn't fight them. Something that would likely change if Apollo ordered an attack on Themyscira. And if mageslayers aren't enoguh he has everything from the Sword of the Fallen to the Ophidian to fall back on.

If Apollo did that OL would offhandedly kill Herakles and likely try to do the same to Apollo if he came out of hiding. And that's assuming that Wonder Woman doesn't lop Herakles' head off with her new qwa-sword first.
 
shotiegun11 said:
Considering the Amazons are the last major hold out of people that believe in the Greek Pantheon I think the Greek Gods would think twice thrice quatrice about doing anything to them.
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I don't really think that they'd care. Also, the Amazons are pretty much just into the Goddess'. I rather doubt the male members of the panteon get much attention. Hephaestus flat out said they dropped his feastival entirely.

Also, think twice has historically never really applied to the Olympians when they get pissed. "I should not have done that...." is a phrase often uttered. Followed by "Oh well."

shotiegun11 said:
Also if Zeus/Apollo does anything well finally see what the Sword of the Fallen does to a God.
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I know exactly what it would. Start a war with the Olympians. To which, win lose or draw, a LOT of people are going to die.

shotiegun11 said:
Themyscira also now has all the Demigods from when Herk raped all those Amazons.
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Do they count as demi-gods when they're only like...a quarter divine?

shotiegun11 said:
We haven't seen any Gods go all out in this story but I thought it was fairly easy (on the DC power scale) for sufficiently powerful mortals to beat them.
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The only story I remember seeing Herakles in, in DC, he pretty much whooped everyone's ass. I mean, he's at least on the level of Superman or Captain Marvel. Even more so on the latter, as Hercules is where Billy gets his strength.

shotiegun11 said:
Are they strong, especially in there own fields of influence? Yes. Truly unstoppable? No.
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Well, no one is unstoppable. But I would think that someone like Zeus or Odin would at least be on Darkseid's level. If not a bit greater. He is a "new" god after all.
 
Anyway, escalating to a massive pantheon-wide ultimate showdown of ultimate divinity is probably a bit much over such a small incident.

Edit: Would that kind of thing actually empower Eris?
 
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Every time man...every god damn time.

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OL was pretty sure he could serious injure or kill Apollo with enough mageslayers; he refrained because he'd been told not to attack the Olympians, not because he thought he couldn't fight them. Something that would likely change if Apollo ordered an attack on Themyscira. And if mageslayers aren't enoguh he has everything from the Sword of the Fallen to the Ophidian to fall back on.
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Oh I'm sure OL can fight the Olympians. But, they can fight back too.

They could also wiped out the Amazons before Paul even knew what happened. I mean, they ARE the reason they are even still alive.

Ol does have the sword yes.....and the Olympians have their own weapons, and Paul is just one guy. A powerful guy, but all by himself. I don't know what would happen if he asked the Ophidian for help.

But my greater point wasn't just that they can threaten Paul, it's that historically, they have no problem fucking up your loved ones just to hurt you if they get angry enough.

Avernus said:
If Apollo did that OL would offhandedly kill Herakles and likely try to do the same to Apollo if he came out of hiding. And that's assuming that Wonder Woman doesn't lop Herakles' head off with her new qwa-sword first.
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I like OL, and I think he's pretty damn powerful, but I highly, HIGHLY doubt that he can "Offhandedly" do shit to Herakles.

As for Diana, I've only seen her fight Herakles once...and he beat the hell out of her. But he was crazed at the time, and it was some kind of...test thingy from Hera I think? She didn't back down or submit...so victory? I'm trying to remember the name.

Head lopping attempts are good, provided he doesn't bash her skull in with his now divine club, poison her to death with his near insta-kill, also now divine, arrows first and all that other jazz. Plus he's got that whole almost entirely invulnerable lion pelt armor to deal with.

She is a highly skilled combatant....and so is he. Herc isn't just some dumb, super strong brawler remember. She DOES have the advantage of flight.

Edit: Arrrgaagah!!!

"Anyway, escalating to a massive pantheon-wide ultimate showdown of ultimate divinity is probably a bit much over such a small incident."

Olympians 101....they be petty.
 
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Heh, all this talk about Herc is making me think of the Fate/Stay Version. Something like that only without the madness plus the previously mentioned club, arrows and Nemean hide? Oof.

I'd still put my money on OL because he has so many gadgets he can pull out of his ass, but it'd still be one hell of a fight.

Edited to avoid double posting: Though I do wonder how good the old gods are at the god speech Gravy has going on and if there's any offensive use. Would you be able to smack a mortal by basically yelling at them in god speech?
 
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Queshire said:
Heh, all this talk about Herc is making me think of the Fate/Stay Version. Something like that only without the madness plus the previously mentioned club, arrows and Nemean hide? Oof.

I'd still put my money on OL because he has so many gadgets he can pull out of his ass, but it'd still be one hell of a fight.

Edited to avoid double posting: Though I do wonder how good the old gods are at the god speech Gravy has going on and if there's any offensive use. Would you be able to smack a mortal by basically yelling at them in god speech?
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Remember the myth where Zeus accidentally blasted the pregnant mother of his child (Dionysis?) to ashes by appearing before her without drastically toning down the divine radiance?

Paulphidian could take the Olympian pantheon when they got serious, maybe, but Paul on his own would risk getting his eyes burned out. We've seen him try to fight Oceanus, and we saw (weakened) Poseidon manifest as a similar being a mile tall.

Among other things, they've just got a lot more experience in acting at those levels of power. Could he potentially do a lot of damage? Yes, probably, but the Olympians can also think of ways around that, and he's comparatively squishy, so they only need to get lucky once.
 
Maxx Crowley said:
I like OL, and I think he's pretty damn powerful, but I highly, HIGHLY doubt that he can "Offhandedly" do shit to Herakles.

As for Diana, I've only seen her fight Herakles once...and he beat the hell out of her. But he was crazed at the time, and it was some kind of...test thingy from Hera I think? She didn't back down or submit...so victory? I'm trying to remember the name.

Head lopping attempts are good, provided he doesn't bash her skull in with his now divine club, poison her to death with his near insta-kill, also now divine, arrows first and all that other jazz. Plus he's got that whole almost entirely invulnerable lion pelt armor to deal with.

She is a highly skilled combatant....and so is he. Herc isn't just some dumb, super strong brawler remember. She DOES have the advantage of flight.
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If Herakles can't fly then yes, OL can pretty much offhandedly annihilate him; literally from orbit.

For that matter I doubt he'd do well against Kon either; Kon can just fly out of his range, and give him a taste of some Helios Brandtm​ heat vision.

Or OL can toss Herakles into the air with a construct and they can play solar-plasma-beam skeet shooting with him.

"PULL!"

<BOOM!>
 
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Avernus said:
If Herakles can't fly then yes, OL can pretty much offhanded annihilate him; literally from orbit.

For that matter I doubt he'd do well against Kon either; Kon can just fly out of his range, and give him a taste of some Helios Brandtm​ heat vision.

Or OL can toss Herakles into the air with a construct and they can play solar-plasma-beam skeet shooting with him.

"PULL!"

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See, there's a reason they call power rings the most powerful weapons in the universe. Herakles is strong, and has a pointy stick. That's it.
 
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    • 14th September
    21:10 GMT

    FUCK!

    Her out of control heat vision bores through my construct, through the rock wall and through the kryptonite contained therein!

    FUCK!

    "Stop! Close your eyes!"

    The air's escaping and she's too out of it to understand me!

    Empowered Kryptonian bodies can take vacuum in a way that Human bodies can't. But it takes a lot more than a few seconds' vicarious exposure from the Chosen of the Sun to get to that level of toughness. I watch as boiling blood starts leaking out of the holes where the cables were connected, water vapour rushes from her mouth and her bladder and bowels void themselves and her heat vision is still going!

    Environmental shield! Get in close and shiel-!

    The woman's flailing smacks a hole in my barely-there construct shell just as the kryptonite starts detonating. The rocks around me turn green as light leaks through the furrows vaporised by her heat vision, before the rocks detonate as well! Block sunlight, stronger shield, keep the environmental shield up! Exit was that way move! Life signs… Not good, but at least she's not heat visioning anything anymore. And she's still alive.

    At the moment.

    Another explosion, and the radiation is seriously abrading my construct barrier as I-.

    "What happened?"

    "Heat vision."

    "I didn't-!"

    "Hers." I break through the rock detritus and see the faintly glowing figure of Kon just ahead of me. "Keep going!"

    We both accelerate more, and I create an additional shield behind us as a third explosion erupts behind us. The ring shows me the huge lump of rock visibly start to tumble from the force of it.

    "Is she okay?"

    "No." Okay, no sunlight getting in… I repair her external wounds-. Her fat reserves are down to nothing. She doesn't just look emaciated, she is actually starving. Thirty years in a pod designed for a few days… "We're heading to Earth right now." I generate a target construct and we both fly in that direction. "Warp."

    Alpha Centauri is even closer to Sol than it is to Krypton, and at my current level of need the journey is barely noticeable. As soon as the Earth appears beneath us I mark the location of the Fortress and power for it, Kon just behind me.

    14th September
    16:12 GMT -5

    Ring, dial Clark Kent.

    Compliance.

    The Earth expands below me as I hear the dial tone.

    "Clark here."

    "I apologise for contacting you directly like this, but I have a severely injured Kryptonian and urgently need access to Superman's Fortress. Do you know where he keeps the key?"

    "Ah-. Just outside the door-."

    "Not the joke key. The actual key."

    "Don't you think Superboy would-?"

    "Not Kon." Ring, did that message confirm who this is?

    Confirmed. Message indicated that occupant was 'Kara Zor-El', daughter of-.

    Never mind, I know. "Her name's Kara Zor-El and I still don't know enough about Kryptonian physiology to fix severe kryptonite radiation poisoning. I mean, I can best guess, but-"

    "I'll unlock it from here. Get her there as fast as you can."

    "On it." Ring, hang up. "Kon, can you fly yourself there?"

    "Yeah, go."

    Transition.

    And a metal door with an 'S' on it opening just in front of me. No giant palace of crystal here, though the interior is made of the stuff. I'm flying forwards into a small vestibule which scans me just in case I'm someone trying to come in without authorisation-.

    "Please halt."

    "Kal-El should just have sent authorisation. Please, I need to get-."

    A section of interior wall-crystal retracts into the surrounding crystal. "This way."

    I fly as directed. Ring scans aren't really penetrating, but at least I can see the shape of the environment now. "She's-."

    "My niece. I know."

    Crystals twinkle and I follow them, down, left and into a small chamber with an extremely uncomfortable-looking crystal bed and various other.. Kryptonian artefacts arranged around it. "Are you able to control this-" I lay her down as gently as I can. "-stuff, or-."

    "Yes. Please, stand back."

    I comply, and a crystal frame grows out of the floor and envelops the bed.

    "And we're going to be having words later about why Match isn't in here."

    "I'm afraid I don't know who that is."

    "In that case, I'm going to be having words with Kal-El. Oh, and Kon-El should be arriving in the next ten minutes."

    "He will be welcome. Please explain how you found Kara."

    "Her craft appears to have dragged tonnes of rock and kryptonite with it when it went into hyperspace. When it came out, she was in the middle of it."

    Patterns of pale blue light shine inside the frame, scanning and.. hopefully fixing.

    "So, cellular damage of all sorts, maybe… Do Kryptonians get cancer?"

    "Yes, but my niece will not."

    "Plus, there's a good chance that she breathed in some kryptonite crystal, and… Not all of the kryptonite was green, so, don't assume that what you've got on file is sufficient."

    A pillar of crystal extrudes itself from the floor next to me. "Please place any samples you have on the pedestal."

    "This cannot come into contact with any living Kryptonian, even for a moment. Am I clear?"

    "Of course."

    I take the black kryptonite out of subspace and lay it on the pedestal. It's immediately surrounded in a faintly silver force field.

    Fine. Ring, carefully monitor everything Jor-El is doing to Kara. I want to learn everything about Kryptonian physiology I can.

    Compliance.
     
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    • Yowza! Talk about explosive. Way for things to go wrong, and I like the, 'Kryptonians can take the vaccuum, but they need more exposure for that level of toughness.' I find it's very easy to forget that SUPER is not the default state of kryptonians, and they are ordinarily almost exactly the same as humans.

    That said, Zoat, I'm chalking it up to Enlightenment that OL's ring(s) didn't wonk out with all the fear and will he was feeling. But you really should have some Orange in there, I feel, because being constantly aware doesn't mean his desire levels stay constantly the same (which he is well aware of).
     
    Avernus said:
    If Herakles can't fly then yes, OL can pretty much offhandedly annihilate him; literally from orbit.

    For that matter I doubt he'd do well against Kon either; Kon can just fly out of his range, and give him a taste of some Helios Brandtm​ heat vision.

    Or OL can toss Herakles into the air with a construct and they can play solar-plasma-beam skeet shooting with him.

    "PULL!"

    <BOOM!>
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    Well if we're going with the Fate/Stay version then Kon's heat vision would kill him once. Still need a way strong enough to get through his defenses for each other of his labors.
     
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