With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)
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Queshire
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You know, if you were a street level magician then buffing your ability to read people would be a good trick to take. I don't think that's what is going on here, but I still think it'd make sense for a magician to be able to do so.
Ha, good to see him again.
Rather impressive showing actually. Most people can't read Paul like that.
Also most people don't know when to not ask questions.
The red for Nabu is very worrisome. Holding a grudge against someone you obliterated beyond any meaningful possibility of recovery is not healthy.
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That's actually a rather interesting way to think about it; she is a normal human, but it's her soul that's half demon, or rather a demon in th shape of a soul, or a soul made out of demon, or something. Alright, at first i was thinking "why don't more people have souls made out of entities?" but now i can see how that would be more trouble then it would be worth.
Queshire
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Sooooo, going back to the debate on Exalted style Primordials, doesn't this imply that such beings could theoretically such beings could be possible in this 'verse? It establishes that having entities for souls is possible at least. Now, just need to SCIENCE!!! it to see how far up it can scale.
ThrawnCA
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I still think King Orin is being a jerk about the whole "you didn't tell me that my irresponsible fling, which I never followed up on in all these years, actually had lasting effects" thing. There are a lot of people who could be considered negligent for not following up and discovering his child, starting with King Orin himself and continuing with his wife, Atlantean government officials, maybe even the mother. Paul, on the other hand, isn't even an Atlantean citizen.
It would be different if someone had stolen King Orin's DNA and created a child in a lab. Then, it would be reasonable to expect whoever finds out to let him know. But the king was perfectly well aware that he had had an affair, and if he didn't know he'd actually fathered a child, that was because he never once bothered to check. Blaming a random person for not fixing it is a very immature and irresponsible way for anyone, let alone a monarch, to behave.
It would be different if someone had stolen King Orin's DNA and created a child in a lab. Then, it would be reasonable to expect whoever finds out to let him know. But the king was perfectly well aware that he had had an affair, and if he didn't know he'd actually fathered a child, that was because he never once bothered to check. Blaming a random person for not fixing it is a very immature and irresponsible way for anyone, let alone a monarch, to behave.
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Evil M. Lurker
What Lurks at Midnight
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Thank you. I hate it when fun comics are trampled into the dirt just to be edgy. (See: Blue Devil, Speedball.)
Krazyfan1
Worrying for the future.
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not sure if Zoat meant the reboot or the original....
hope it was the reboot he was talking about
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The SI hasn't actually spoken to him recently.
Thank you, corrected.
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Actually, i sort of find myself wondering why this isn't happening when done via earth magic; there are all these forms of magic that form into elementals and whatnot, but then you have mana from earth and you don't get anything, or is it just that my expectation is being biased by hell magic so readily forming into mana based living organisms? Would mana from heaven act similar? Actually if it's so ready to do things like that then i find myself wondering, briefly i must admit, why hell mana isn't used in a medical context more often, if it's possible to both form it into creatures, and to replace the substance of those creatures with other forms of substance, which in this case would be different forms of mana.
Maybe it's an explanation for metahumans. Random people are super strong or super smart or pyrokinetic because their souls are actually elementals or fairies or what have you.
Might explain why so many of them are kooks and villains too.
Legend of Ruina
Growing eyes on the inside
You know one of these days Paul is going to make an offhand mention of his demons to someone who's not familiar with his abilities and get assumed to be a diabolist.
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Devil Jizz. May induce psychopathy, possession and eternal damnation.
Then why did someone as canny as Selina mistake John for Ambrose?
ThrawnCA
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Even his children?
Can't say I exactly respect the guy, but if he doesn't want anything to do with his offspring, that's a different level of low.
Well, "Being both queen and having" doesn't work, because it's like saying "Being queen and being having".
Could change it to "Both being queen and having" but I thought the italics version better captures the idea.
But it has. There's Uncle Sam, the Russian Director, Captain Nazi and other magical life forms created from ambient unformed magic.
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I will concur with this statement. I've never got the hype behind Smith.
Also, that art is terrible.
Except yeah, it is.
In the continuities where Shazam died literally right after empowering Billy, I'd let it slide. But in his case, yes, he made a child soldier, and then gave him basically no advice. Things that an adult would generally understand, but a kid really wouldn't.
Stuff like...oh I don't know. People will try to follow you home to learn your secret identity. Watch out for that.
You might be invulnerable. But the people you care for are not. Billy's friend flat out warns him he might not be safe, but Billy dismisses it because "I've only got to say one word."
Key point, neither Billy nor his friend, see his friend as being in danger. Oops.
The only reason Silvana survived is that Billy wanted to yell at him first. That and strangling takes a little time. Watching an old man turn purple sort of got to the big red cheese. But if Billy had decided to say....shoulder block him at about mach 7 well....Silvana salsa.
I personally don't care about collateral damage in comics or movies, but lets not forget that Billy smashed up a police station and then shockwave bombed a skyscraper with one punch. All in a fit of rage because his best friend took a bullet because he was too young, too inexperienced, and Shazam neglected to give him even a token of guidance. (Leaving it to Superman after he pulls the sad old man look)
An Adult would have known better. 15 year old Spider-man knew better, but that's besides the point.
Shazam made a child soldier, when it is adults that are fit to fight wars.
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And now i am thinking about whether highly refined/modified DJ, followed by a booster shot of normal mana, could be used to cultivate the growth of some metahuman abilities. Maybe a magical weapon could even be used to that effect; "kill demons and the act itself will become your bounty!".
Edit: i should probably clarify that i was talking about something to use the structures of a demon body/"soul" to reinforce the structures of a human soul; probably not normally viable, but they were used in the construction of a Love elemental, so it seems viable-ish.
While i see your point i was talking more about intra-soul formations then inter-soul formations; still rather interesting.
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It had been several years, and the SI was examining them in ring-assisted detail. Selina wouldn't have made that mistake after having had more time to look at John.
Sometimes when you're at a party you justdon't hear the phone.
Thank you, corrected.
Massgamer
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I though Paul couldn't handle those without them burning up so that is why he carries coins of precious metals around.
So Paul is just making the assumption rather than figuring out if still mad or not.
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That hasn't been the case for a while. Don't worry; as the Harm thing showed I forget stuff too.
He's being cautious, certainly.
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Not to mention the extensive training/experiance in fighting opponents up to and including mid tier meta's without a ring-get her a power-assisted Armor suit of the "gives sensory feedback" variety under her construct shielding,and time to adjust her muscle memory.....
Huh. I hope that kinda thing is covered in The Corp's current training regimen to some extent- being prepared has saved Paul's life soemthing like 5 times so far I think...
Hestia&theCourt
Turns out we're plural too.
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*facedesk* That's not how that works. Unless Zoat specifically confirms that Grayven has the capacity to do this specific thing, you have nothing to stand on.
Yes, well, something something chaos-aligned reality warper. If there was evidence of a reality warper that was inclined to make Exalted physics work, I'd concede the point.
Technically, yes, but the original context was doing it in such a way that you'd be your own civilization. Since the soul is a separate entity, it still doesn't work for that purpose.
stormturmoil
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It's not just that.
I think it's a bit of mental filing on OL's part
To OL, 'Doctor Fate' Attaches to Kent Nelson, a Man who he generally Liked and respected.
He considers Nabu a separate entity, and obviously, disliked it.
So I think part of the red here is due to the apparent Correspondence between Doctor Fate and Nabu, when OL pointedly rejects that Connection, and so resents the connection being mad.
Queshire
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Let's take a hypothetical species which has evolved telepathic abilities. We have martians so that's fine. Only unlike Martians there's not really an active part to the telepathy. It's primarily subconscious. Consider it a sort of.... odd pseudo hive-mind. Now these guys aren't human. They really, really aren't. One... caste? Gender? Well their society calls them Seconds. Let's say that they naturally have superpowers because, hey, superhero setting, why not?
These Seconds naturally bond together in groups of seven. Think of them as... brothers and sisters. Each group is defined by their connection to a Third. The Third is another caste. They have their own superpowers too, but are more powerful than the Seconds' powers. Think of it like the difference in pure power between Superman and... well, I don't know who would be a good comparison on the DC side. Spiderman from Marvel maybe? See, but the thing is they don't technically have their own ego. They are in constant telepathic connection with their Seconds and their entire ego, their entire personality is formed out of the subconscious telepathy of the Seconds mixing together. Think of it like mixing colors of paint together to get a new shade, or perhaps a Venn Diagram? Each Second is a circle in the Venn Diagram. They still have their independent aspects, but where they all overlap they form the Third's personality.
Now these Thirds can do the same thing. They can bond together, and from the mix of their subconsciousness give rise to a distinct personality, only unlike with the Third's it's not limited to just seven bonding. It's not odd to see something like 20 bonding together. These result in a Prime. As you can expect from being formed from the already strong Thirds and the higher number forming them they naturally reach Eldritch Abomination levels of power.
Now, take that entire pyramid and flip it completely upside down. The thirds are extensions of the primes and the seconds are extensions of the thirds, but they still have the same combination of independence from each other and being influenced / influencing each other.
Finally underneath all them there are the teeming masses of Firsts. To us limited humans they can be interacted with as individuals but to the Primes they're like skin cells or individual hairs. A Second might be the equivalent to an individual finger; a small part but still big enough to be included in the telepathic web, but the Firsts are smaller than that. Once more, skin cells or hair. It's not like a human can control those, yet they're still counted as part of their body.
Now, let's talk about what they look like physically. Let's say that the Primes are basically the size of living continents. We already have Mother Of Mercy at world sized so there should be no problem with that, right? Then the thirds likewise have no reason to bother with a mere animal-style form. Ranx, as a city sized space station, would be a comparison there. Seconds are closer to traditional bodies, you know, the green skinned space babes or rubber forehead aliens while the firsts run the gamut from human-like to being basically talking animals. Considering then, that the Primes are continent sized, it's not that strange that they would think of firsts like skin cells.
THIS IS BASICALLY THE SET UP OF EXALTED PRIMORDIALS only made with the sort of telepathy and biology established as possible within the story, and frankly undersold. Instead of running on the science side of things with telepathy and alien biology they run off of soul shenanigans, magic and, considering they're eldritch abominations comparable to the King of Tears, make the laws of physics their bitch. If it can be done on the science side of things wouldn't something that abstract be possible on the magic side of things?
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Also, I spent way too long typing this.
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