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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Paul doesn't like the fact the Merlin he knows about in DC blamed the whole downfall on Canterlot on a single person and bound a demon to their soul.

To clarify, Canterlot was going to fall, just like Atlantis was going to sink, Merlin was a bitch about it and blamed a single person while ignoring every other person responsible, save for Morgaine le Fey who he have Jason the impossible mission to kill.

And I say impossible because Morgaine is on the same power level than Merlin or maybe even more and being bound to a demon makes it that Jason lacks the hero blessing needed to defeat evil despite crazy odds against the hero.

All Jason has been able to do is stop her for gaining more power and conquering the world.

And she wouldn't be so desperate for more power if she didn't have an immortal half demon wanting to kill her.
 
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Pinklestia said:
And I say impossible because Morgaine is on the same power level than Merlin or maybe even more and being bound to a demon makes it that Jason lacks the hero blessing needed to defeat evil despite crazy odds against the hero.
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Considering that Merlin was the most powerful magician of the age, much like how his spiritual son, Timothy Hunter, (who's creation he arranged), is destined to be, I think it's more likely that Morgaine cheated, and pulled a Costantine on Merlin by bearing King Arthur's bastard child into the world.

If the King and The Land are metaphorically ONE, it seems possible that she was able to hack Merlin's workings by using Mordred's existence and connection to Arthur, and thus Albion itself.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I have just discovered something I didn't know. Supergirl 12 is immune to kryptonite. I've got no idea why, but that's what featured in the spin-off comics. Which means that Supergirl 50 should be as well. Which is what I wrote, but I came up with a different reason for it. I wonder why she's immune.
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Mr Zoat said:
No, Supergirl 12 is immune to universe 12 kryptonite.
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Mr Zoat said:
Try 'DCAU'.

In that comic, no one from Argo was affected by the stuff. She was holding it in her bare hand.
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Wait... What? There are numerous examples of Kryptonite affecting her in the animated shows.

Emil Hamilton used a Kryptonite needle to be able to operate on her during the events of the Superman TAS episode Legacy (which was referred to in the JLU episode Fearful Symmetry).

She battled Metallo at a disadvantage, especially when confronted by the Great Stone (a massive chunk of Kryptonite) during the JLU episode Chaos at the Earth's Core.

In the JLU episode Panic in the Sky Galatea, a clone of Supergirl, stated that, "Boredom is my Kryptonite... Okay, actually, Kryptonite is my Kryptonite, but you know what I mean." implying that she has a vulnerability to Kryptonite, presumably through being a clone of Supergirl.

I can't see how the writers of the spin-off comics can make such a claim, considering that there is direct evidence to the contrary on multiple episodes over multiple TV shows.
 
Masked Thespian said:
I can't see how the writers of the spin-off comics can make such a claim, considering that there is direct evidence to the contrary on multiple episodes over multiple TV shows.
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From a Doylist perspective we can just blame idiot writers, but from a Watsonian perspective ... blame fifth dimensional imps screwing with us?
 
Wonder when OL does make contact with Blaze all three can sit down for a friendly chat with Adom.

@Mr Zoat considering his age did Doctor Mist ever meet Adom thousands of years ago?
 
Mr Zoat said:
Try 'DCAU'.

In that comic, no one from Argo was affected by the stuff. She was holding it in her bare hand.
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Aaaah. I think I might know the issue.

Was this under a red sun?

DC, has, at times, established that green kryptonite has no effect on kryptonians under a red sun.

Kryptonite poisons the gas tank as it were, but red sunlight fills up the tank with useless fuel, leaving no room for kryptonite to poison anything. It takes "slow kryptonite" to poison powerless kryptonians.

Either that or they went really old school and the Argosians would be vulnerable to "argonite," the same way they have had solar powered humans vulnerable to earth, or solar powered Kanjor Ro vulnerable to material from his own planet.
 
Yog said:
So, @Mr Zoat I just remembered: what happened to Harm? The last time I remember him being mentioned OL was asking John Constantine if he wanted to make soul engineering history.
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I'd forgotten about him.

Oops.

I'll make sure to mention it in text later, but he's currently being looked after by Sephtian in a secure laboratory.
Pinklestia said:
Paul doesn't like the fact the Merlin he knows about in DC blamed the whole downfall on Canterlot on a single person and bound a demon to their soul.
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Actually, the SI is aware of several different DC versions of Merlin mythology that he's trying to avoid the man/men/myth.
Masked Thespian said:
I can't see how the writers of the spin-off comics can make such a claim, considering that there is direct evidence to the contrary on multiple episodes over multiple TV shows.
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Oh, thank goodness.
Massgamer said:
@Mr Zoat considering his age did Doctor Mist ever meet Adom thousands of years ago?
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He didn't. He might not even have heard of him until much later.
stsword said:
Aaaah. I think I might know the issue.

Was this under a red sun?
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No.
 
Mr Zoat said:
I'd forgotten about him.

Oops.

I'll make sure to mention it in text later, but he's currently being looked after by Sephtian in a secure laboratory.
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So they at least stabilized him so his meat is not longer deteriorating for lack of soul? Nice to hear.

Another thing you might have forgotten (or I might have missed): when talking to Zatanna about armor when they first meet, Paul mentions that M'Gann vetoed raiding martian military for shapeshifting personal armor, indicating that such exists. It is never brought up again. Now, Paul has access to a lot of technological databases, and access to space. Has he maybe thought to buy Miss Martian some armor finally, so she doesn't have to fight naked / in her pajamas? Same question concerning Kon not having an Nth metal helmet - Paul could almost certainly buy one on Thanagar, or at least nth metal itself (it can't be that super controlled, given that it's part of their biology); also have Kamlin commission Kon a weapon maybe.
 
stsword said:
Aaaah. I think I might know the issue.

Was this under a red sun?

DC, has, at times, established that green kryptonite has no effect on kryptonians under a red sun.

Kryptonite poisons the gas tank as it were, but red sunlight fills up the tank with useless fuel, leaving no room for kryptonite to poison anything. It takes "slow kryptonite" to poison powerless kryptonians.
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DCAU still has Kryptonite affect Superman/Supergirl under such circumstances. Luthor and General Hardcastle concocted a liquid Kryptonite injection to execute both Superman and Supergirl during the episode Legacy, when both were being held in a red sunlight room/cell to depower them, stating that it would kill them. Also, during Chaos at the Earth's Core, Skartaris is lit by a red sun, depowering Supergirl whilst she still receives adverse effects from Kryptonite exposure, both from the chunk in Metallo's chest as well as the Great Stone. Metallo, upon seizing up from having Supergirl pry the Kryptonite chunk out of his chest, gloats to her that it (the Kryptonite chunk from his chest that's lying a few feet from her) is literally killing her, whilst on the castle's battlements in direct view of said red sun.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Or we could do both. Why don't you talk to Zatanna once she gets out of school while I talk to Shazam?"
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Is this confirmation Zatanna still has the Staff of the Star Sapphire? YES! I was worried he father would try and have her give it up or one of the Green Lanterns try to take it.

Wait, Supergirl is gonna be Krytonite immune? More of Kryptonian physiology hurting the SI's and scientist's heads.
 
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Yog said:
So they at least stabilized him so his meat is not longer deteriorating for lack of soul? Nice to hear.
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Not exactly. They want to pull as much of his soul back into it as they can, because the alternative is Satanus helps him become a true Demon extra-fast.
Another thing you might have forgotten (or I might have missed): when talking to Zatanna about armor when they first meet, Paul mentions that M'Gann vetoed raiding martian military for shapeshifting personal armor, indicating that such exists. It is never brought up again. Now, Paul has access to a lot of technological databases, and access to space. Has he maybe thought to buy Miss Martian some armor finally, so she doesn't have to fight naked / in her pyjamas?
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Manhunters don't sell that sort of equipment. I'm afraid that he'd have to negotiate for it.
Same question concerning Kon not having an Nth metal helmet - Paul could almost certainly buy one on Thanagar, or at least nth metal itself (it can't be that super controlled, given that it's part of their biology); also have Kamlin commission Kon a weapon maybe.
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Thanagar doesn't sell Nth metal or Nth metal weapons. They actually consider other people having them to be a casus belli. Even the ones currently protecting Thanagar would hesitate before trading it with him.
Masked Thespian said:
DCAU still has Kryptonite affect Superman/Supergirl under such circumstances. Luthor and General Hardcastle concocted a liquid Kryptonite injection to execute both Superman and Supergirl during the episode Legacy, when both were being held in a red sunlight room/cell to depower them, stating that it would kill them. Also, during Chaos at the Earth's Core, Skartaris is lit by a red sun, depowering Supergirl whilst she still receives adverse effects from Kryptonite exposure, both from the chunk in Metallo's chest as well as the Great Stone. Metallo, upon seizing up from having Supergirl pry the Kryptonite chunk out of his chest, gloats to her that it (the Kryptonite chunk from his chest that's lying a few feet from her) is literally killing her, whilst on the castle's battlements in direct view of said red sun.
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Guess whoever wrote the comic should have actually watched the series a bit.
shotiegun11 said:
Is this confirmation Zatanna still has the Staff of the Star Sapphire? YES! I was worried he father would try and have her give it up or one of the Green Lanterns try to take it.
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The SI doesn't know. However, given that she shares the SI's view on the League, it is unlikely that she would have willingly relinquished it.
Wait, Supergirl is gonna be Krytonite immune? More of Kryptonian physiology hurting the SI's and scientist's heads.
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If Kara 16 appeared, I would almost certainly have her be affected.
 
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I wonder how Supergirl would fit into Blue Paul's universe. I mean a criminal version of her, not some universe-trapped hero.
 
Tbryan said:
It's also canon that Etrigan messed with Jason's memories so he doesn't remember what really happened.
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Considering that Merlin gave himself a multiple choice past, it's more than likely affected Jason Blood as well.

After all, if his past as one of the worshippers of Gaia was completely a lie, how was he able to draw upon the Earth Power and use it against Lobo in issue 12 of The Demon (1990)?

The best lies are those with enough truth to them, so even if Jason The Druid is a lie, it's one that's also true.

Just as Jason, known as Iason, was once Merlin's childhood friend and sworn blood brother, as shown in the first issue of Books of Magic, which included Timothy Hunter's time-travel encounter with the great wizard-to-be in his youth.
 
Monshroud said:
Considering that Merlin gave himself a multiple choice past, it's more than likely affected Jason Blood as well.

After all, if his past as one of the worshippers of Gaia was completely a lie, how was he able to draw upon the Earth Power and use it against Lobo in issue 12 of The Demon (1990)?

The best lies are those with enough truth to them, so even if Jason The Druid is a lie, it's one that's also true.

Just as Jason, known as Iason, was once Merlin's childhood friend and sworn blood brother, as shown in the first issue of Books of Magic, which included Timothy Hunter's time-travel encounter with the great wizard-to-be in his youth.
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Just like normal Earth magic? Also, I got the impression that Zoat was trying to keep temporal shenanigans to a minimum, so that might not be the case on Earth-16.
 
CTrees said:
Probably this one. Rather uncomfortably close to Superman's situation with Kon, those last three panels.
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Heh, I've always liked that one and not for the reasons most people would think.

Most see this comic and like to point and talk about Superman calling the old man out. But I don't see that, all I see is the big blue boyscout bitching.

And the wizard Shazam calling him on it.
 
ThrawnCA said:
There's an Indiana Jones marathon? In which country?
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USA. Spike TV changed its name to the Paramount Network last Friday and showed all the Indiana Jones films over the weekend.

shepsquared said:
Aw, I wanted to see OL meeting Shazam. Have him talk to (what should be) a reasonable Lord of Order for once.
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Mr Zoat said:
I wonder why she's immune.
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1: Kryptonians are only vulnerable to their own dimensions Kryptonians. Superman 16 is vulnerable to Earth 16 kryptonite, but not kryptonite from the Earth 50 universe. That Supergirl is actually from a different dimension (and this fact is not commonly known), so the native kryptonite doesn't affect her.
2: She has Daxamite ancestry, and as an atavism has the lead allergy instead of kryptonite, or needs to be exposed to both lead and kryptonite simultaneously to be affected.
3: Actually is vulnerable, just actually uses technology to screen herself against the radiation actually reaching her, like every kryptonian could. Possibly as an implant that can't be easily taken off (secretly placed there by parents perhaps?).
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I guessing one of these would be the reason given if they decide to use kryptonite against her in a later season. Someone figures out the correct dimensional wavelength for the kryptonite, or she gets exposed in the presence of lead, or the implant is disabled.

Mr Zoat said:
Thanagar doesn't sell Nth metal or Nth metal weapons. They actually consider other people having them to be a casus belli. Even the ones currently protecting Thanagar would hesitate before trading it with him.
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Tamaran. Also, they cannot be the only people in the universe using Nth Metal. Declaring exclusive rights like that sounds dumb, some nation deciding they were the only people allowed to use depleted uranium rounds, and declared war on anyone else who had them. Of course, governments have done dumber things.

Mr Zoat said:
It's basically chunks of the bodies of the Seven Devils. It is possible to make, but it doesn't occur 'naturally' in other places.
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If seven demons have each bodies with identical enough properties to all be called Nth metal, probably others do as well.
 
Pizza said:
Speaking of Nth metal, why not just squeeze lead?
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Because even Paulphidian struggled for days to figure out how to transmute lead into Nth metal, and they nearly collapsed Mount Justice doing it. If a nigh-omnipotent being of greed who really wanted it struggled with it, the odds of anyone else doing it are astronomical.
 
Crimson Doom said:
Because even Paulphidian struggled for days to figure out how to transmute lead into Nth metal, and they nearly collapsed Mount Justice doing it. If a nigh-omnipotent being of greed who really wanted it struggled with it, the odds of anyone else doing it are astronomical.
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If OL wanted it for a helmet for Kon, he's certainly knowledgeable enough now to go do that in the interstellar void, where there's little to no risk of collateral damage.
 
Trifith said:
If OL wanted it for a helmet for Kon, he's certainly knowledgeable enough now to go do that in the interstellar void, where there's little to no risk of collateral damage.
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...weren't we talking about other interstellar civilizations making Nth metal? Paul is many things, but he is not an interstellar civilization.
 
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