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That was Grayven. OL fed him to Constantine.
No, he fed 99% of his deformatted soul to Constantine. Ghost Fox Killer got the rest.
No...Grayven hacked Klarion's head off on live Television with the sword of the fallen. He handed over Klarion's wizard helpers over to the Chinese.

OL fed Klarion's power to John, and then gave the near empty husk to the Chinese. Said they could have the credit, as long as it wasn't Socialist Red Guardsman. Still...not entirely sure why he didn't want mentioned. Seems like it would be useful for him politically.
Ironically enough, dishonest virtue signalling. Or perhaps the dual moral standard. League associated superheroes don't kill people, and it is somewhat useful for people generally to not be aware of exactly what the SI can do when he gets peeved enough.
 
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Ironically enough, dishonest virtue signalling. Or perhaps the dual moral standard. League associated superheroes don't kill people, and it is somewhat useful for people generally to not be aware of exactly what the SI can do when he gets peeved enough.
I was more wondering why OL didn't take credit for Klarion's capture, not why he didn't execute him himself. But I suppose it works that way too.
 
Ah. I thought that he didn't take credit for the capture of Klarion, because he was willing to let the Chinese take credit if they wanted, in exchange for legally killing him after a legal trial.
 
I've been reading Stanley and His Monster, and an interesting thing to note is that apparently Ambrose Bierce has been "mucking about with this nonsense-", meaning the supernatural of course, "since 1870."

That might explain a bit why the guy has so much disdain for John Constantine, and mentally refers to him being a "talented amateur!"

Constantine is at least a century his junior.
Of course, he's clearly meant to be the historical Ambrose Bierce.
 
"Now, I know I'm not going to scare you or intimidate you by saying this. That's.. not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to save your life. Because if you disobey me, I will kill you. I will not feel happy or sad about it, but I will not hesitate, and I will not lose any sleep over it. I will simply consider it necessary and do it." I rise from my chair. "Goodbye, Mister Crock. I hope I never see you again."
Yikes! The fact that Paul is honestly not trying to intimidate him, but is simply stating the rules of the game makes this ultra scary.

Sports Master: "Are you threatening me?"

Paul: "No, of course not, I'm trying to keep you from committing suicide by Orange Light."
 
So if you consider 1.200 * 25 = 30000 words on those posts the story is around 2.107.627 words.
We need the exact word count here!
I decided that estimates weren't good enough for this and wrote a script to go count them myself. We appear to disagree on how to count words, or perhaps on what the definition of a word is. :p

For the first 64 pages, I get 2,083,344 words, and for the full story to date I get 2,116,343 words.

Of course, the reason that SV does approximate word counts is specifically BECAUSE of how hard it is to agree on what constitutes a "word".

Also, am I the only one who is flat out sick of Waller and her attitude? It isn't OL's fault that her super prison is made of cardboard and her guards are pretty much red shirts.
On the contrary, I appreciate Waller's attitude. I appreciate that there is at least one person on the whole of Earth that not only can deal with OL's behavior dispassionately and concentrates on making sure that everything continues operating the way it's supposed to. This is someone that's not awed by superhuman presence.

Better still, she's right, and it's refreshing to see OL recognize that and apologize.
 
Don't Denarians almost always end up outright possessing people who pick up the coins.
This is a little tricky. The dresdenverse is all about balances if power when it comes to factions, and when it comes to the powers of heaven they are strictly bound in how they can interact in the mortal world. They gaurd in mortal free will and determination. A denarian can outright possess someone as possession is the purview of demons, but that overt action brings about more overt reaction from heaven. Humans have the right to make any choice they choose, so the smarter fallen tempt them further and further down the paths they want them to go, kind of like designing the person and there respobses/reactions on a programmers level the fallen has eternity to influence those who bear them, the more dangerous ones are those who find a host who willingly collaborates and has a strong enough will to maintain their identity. As disgusting as this is to say nicodemous has the will to use a green ring in spades, and the fallens knowledge could allow him to reprogram it, that is nightmare fuel.

Collaborators are probably the most dangerous in that it restricts heaven's influence to just a trickle unless the fallen chooses to use the fusion battleform which most likely invites the fallen in the coin more control of ones body.
 
On the contrary, I appreciate Waller's attitude. I appreciate that there is at least one person on the whole of Earth that not only can deal with OL's behavior dispassionately and concentrates on making sure that everything continues operating the way it's supposed to
To each their own.

Though I have to point out that when Waller's little toy prison gets broke again, people like OL are literally the only ones who can do anything about it.

This is someone that's not awed by superhuman presence.
I think it's just me being influenced by what slime Waller is in other universes, but all I keep thinking is that she really needs to watch her mouth before it gets her head popped. Again, Waller 16 is just annoying...but the others...oh they deserve it.

Better still, she's right, and it's refreshing to see OL recognize that and apologize.
I will be amused if/when OL gets his UN card back.

Also, she's right on a technically, and wrong practically. As stated, OL could (and would if he felt the need.) come and go whenever he feels like it. To be perfectly honest (and he almost certainly wouldn't) but he could walk into the prison, kill every single person there, walk back out again, and then get called to solve whatever the hell happened and there literally would be nothing Waller could do about it. (To personally stop him that is. She could, if she knew, always call for help)

I know, I know. I'm being far too extreme. But its the normal thing again. As mouthy as Waller is, she literally has almost no power to do anything, about ANYTHING, someone of that level could do.

This is why I love the Hulk. Thunderbolt Ross gets mouthy? Hulk smash. I can't help but love it...when some arrogant evil prick who actually has no power/strength gets smacked down.

Sorry, sorry. I'm just remembering how badly I wanted someone, ANYONE, to punch Justice League Unlimited Waller in the face.
 
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I think it's just me being influenced by what slime Waller is in other universes, but all I keep thinking is that she really needs to watch her mouth before it gets her head popped. Again, Waller 16 is just annoying...but the others...oh they deserve it.
As with Batman, Zoatverse characters are a lot better than DC canon from other universes.
 
As with Batman, Zoatverse characters are a lot better than DC canon from other universes.
I know....but the canon stain is just so deep.

Though I do find Z-Waller to be unduly rude to OL. Ever since they first met. He IS the guy, along with Kon and Donna, who basically saved her prison and got her, her job back. Had they not been called in, the jailbreak would have gone off without a hitch. What did Waller's guards (the ones left anyway) do? Die.

Abra and the Twins were more useful. Hell, she should be looking into hiring the Twins. Perhaps in exchange for a reduction of their sentence. Hmmm....
 
I know....but the canon stain is just so deep.

Though I do find Z-Waller to be unduly rude to OL. Ever since they first met. He IS the guy, along with Kon and Donna, who basically saved her prison and got her, her job back. Had they not been called in, the jailbreak would have gone off without a hitch. What did Waller's guards (the ones left anyway) do? Die.

Abra and the Twins were more useful. Hell, she should be looking into hiring the Twins. Perhaps in exchange for a reduction of their sentence. Hmmm....

That'd require a prison system set on rehabilitation, Belle Reve is in Louisiana, they don't do rehabilitation in Louisiana.
 
they don't do rehabilitation in The United States of America.
Fixed that for ya.

Sometimes I think I'm the only person who actually finds jokes/true wishes of "Big Bubba" really disheartening. Prison rape is treated as a hilarious joke, and a just punishment, where I'm from.

And of course, because of my sexuality, the few times I've had to go to court I always get the taunts about how I'd clearly just love it in prison.

*sigh* The World really needs an OL. Too bad it's all just fiction.
 
Kaldur would say "armory".
blast through
Thank you, corrected.
How did he do that with Kon's and Kaldur's armours on board?
Not sure. How did he do that?

Edit: after some consideration, by not touching the Nth metal directly and by using most of his ring's charge to do it.
No effect;
Happy Harbour
Batman holds up
stay in reserve
: English and
they've called up for try outs and taken
lack of information
a set of spatial coordinates appears
lunge through
frees himself from
J'onzz's
J'onzz
Thank you, corrected.
 
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I'm not entirely sure what I've done to offend you here, but if you've got an issue I would appreciate it if you'd actually tell me, rather than sarcasm-ing at me, so that we can work it out in a reasonable manner.

As far as I can see, we were talking about kill count, Death of the Endless was brought up, I mentioned that Paul was talking specifically about kill counts for humans so the Endless weren't actually relevant, and then... something about that offended you? I'm not trying to be passive-aggressive here, understand, I'm genuinely not getting where the issue is.
I was being genuine there; we were having a debate about whether Death of The Endless being who she is would make what Paul said a lie, and then you brought up that it wasn't possible because she wasn't included in what he was counting as killing more then. I thought that what i said might have been seen as being agressive, and tried to add the "good on you" part to the end in a attempt at making it look less so, but i really wasn't feeling at my best at the time and i guess i sort of borked the whole thing. I don't have any hard feelings if you don't?
 
As with Batman, Zoatverse characters are a lot better than DC canon from other universes.
Except for Superman; Of course, even canonically Earth 16 Superman took getting cloned.... Badly.

Then again, he seems a bit younger than a lot of the other variants.

My impression is that most instances become Superman publicly in their late twenties to early thirties, but this one seems more like he's in his early twenties, so maybe he cut the whole "wandering the earth" thing a bit short.

Not sure if MrZoat has some sort of an anti-Superman bias.
 
Don't Denarians almost always end up outright possessing people who pick up the coins?
Nicodemus, the leader of the Denarians, is explicitly the guy holding the coin and not the fallen angel. As he once said - "I do not dance to the fallen's tune, Knight. We may move together, but I set the beat."

Him and Anduriel, his Fallen Angel, make for a deadly pair though.
 
Nicodemus, the leader of the Denarians, is explicitly the guy holding the coin and not the fallen angel. As he once said - "I do not dance to the fallen's tune, Knight. We may move together, but I set the beat."

Him and Anduriel, his Fallen Angel, make for a deadly pair though.
Bear in mind that the only Dresden stuff I've read was MLP:FiM crossover fan fiction, but those showed the Denarians other than Nicodemus and his daughter being Fallen Angels first, with little to no input from the host.
 
Superman has gone through a significant flanderization over the years, getting turned into a messianic figure. Originally - and even with John Byrne, Superman was... a little bit trollish, and only helped if he felt like it, if he happened to be nearby, or if there was a major threat. He didn't 'patrol' at all, and he certainly didn't spend all of his time as Superman.... Which is probably a good thing as full-time Supermen seem to go totalitarian a lot.

Also, Clark Kent being a wimp was also a later invention... I mean, sure, people may have gotten that impression, considering he disappears whenever anything threatening happens, but for the most part - both originally and with Byrne - he acted with... integrity, I guess.

Bear in mind that the only Dresden stuff I've read was MLP:FiM crossover fan fiction, but those showed the Denarians other than Nicodemus and his daughter being Fallen Angels first, with little to no input from the host.
Well, if I recall correctly,
Hosts need to volunteer to give up control. However, even touching a coin does allow the Angel to control all of the host's sensory input, so indoctrination is relatively simple. Not sure of the granularity or intensity, and if all angels are proficient with this, though.
However #2, the host needs to have, I believe, skin contact with the coin to allow for the angel's powers to work. So, if you touch the coin, but leave it there, the fallen needs to somehow cajole you to pick it up. A couple of the angels are pretty much just muscle, though.
Nicodemus also has a cult, so he can just pass a coin to one of the fanatics and order them to give reins to the angel.
 
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